MattFancy Posted June 15, 2009 Share Posted June 15, 2009 Who is the best of all-time? Now that Phil Jackson got his 10th ring, is he now the best of all-time? Of the major sports who is the best? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burgold Posted June 15, 2009 Share Posted June 15, 2009 Maybe Red Auerbach? He definately belongs in the mix. For a decade, especially if you include the scab games Gibbs was way up there. He may not have been the best of all time, but he was in the top category. More, so far no other coach has been able to be as successful as him with the Redskins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dictator Posted June 15, 2009 Share Posted June 15, 2009 I can't give it to Phil Jackson. He's had the luxury of coaching two of the greatest players in history. Maybe if he took over Phoenix and got them a ring, I'd consider him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattFancy Posted June 15, 2009 Author Share Posted June 15, 2009 Maybe Red Auerbach? He definately belongs in the mix. For a decade, especially if you include the scab games Gibbs was way up there. He may not have been the best of all time, but he was in the top category. More, so far no other coach has been able to be as successful as him with the Redskins. I think Gibbs has probably done more with less than any other coach in history. Winning a SB with 3 different QBs and not having many HoFers (even though more should be in!). Is Gibbs the best NFL coach ever? I don't think he's the best, but like you said, he is definitely worth mentioning and is top 5 in my book. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StillUnknown Posted June 15, 2009 Share Posted June 15, 2009 I can't give it to Phil Jackson. He's had the luxury of coaching two of the greatest players in history. Maybe if he took over Phoenix and got them a ring, I'd consider him. every coach wins with great players i hate when people use that to somehow detract from what Phil did make a note, Jordan/Pippen/Shaq/Kobe had a combined 0 titles before they met Phil Jackson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattFancy Posted June 15, 2009 Author Share Posted June 15, 2009 I can't give it to Phil Jackson. He's had the luxury of coaching two of the greatest players in history. Maybe if he took over Phoenix and got them a ring, I'd consider him. Auerbach has Bill Rusell and coached 9 HoFers. The only HoFer/future HoFers Phil has coached are Jordan, Pippen, Shaq, and Kobe. And Shaq is the only one to win a title without him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burgold Posted June 15, 2009 Share Posted June 15, 2009 Three different qbs and three different Running backs. Riggins Smith and Byner. Even the Hogs changed a number of players. We all think of Jacoby, Grimm, and Bostic, but was it May or Thielmann or Lachey or Simmons, etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hockeysc23 Posted June 15, 2009 Share Posted June 15, 2009 Scotty Bowman. I'm probably hockey biased though but Phil had such overwhelming talent before this last one. yes every great team has great talent but Bowman simple was a cut above all the other coaches in the NHL. I dont think numbers, aka a 10th title, automatically puts Phil at the top. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TGI Jef Posted June 15, 2009 Share Posted June 15, 2009 who knows who the best actually is. a lot of very good arguments could be made for any of those guys. but HOLY **** - i knew jackson was a tremendously/alltime successful coach - but i nearly spit my drink out when they put up his stats last night: 18 seasons, 10 championships, .705 win percentage. you have absolutely got to be kidding me. i know he has been pretty lucky to have some alltimers on his teams, but winning 70% of the time for 18 seasons? that is absolutely silly...ridiculous...unfair. just stunning. and that is not even to touch upon the fact that the guy wins, on average, a title every other year. i dont care who is on your team - that is ridiculous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattFancy Posted June 15, 2009 Author Share Posted June 15, 2009 who knows who the best actually is. a lot of very good arguments could be made for any of those guys.but HOLY **** - i knew jackson was a tremendously/alltime successful coach - but i nearly spit my drink out when they put up his stats last night: 18 seasons, 10 championships, .705 win percentage. you have absolutely got to be kidding me. i know he has been pretty lucky to have some alltimers on his teams, but winning 70% of the time for 18 seasons? that is absolutely silly...ridiculous...unfair. just stunning. and that is not even to touch upon the fact that the guy wins, on average, a title every other year. i dont care who is on your team - that is ridiculous. He's also been to the playoffs every year as a coach. 18 for 18 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StillUnknown Posted June 15, 2009 Share Posted June 15, 2009 He's also been to the playoffs every year as a coach. 18 for 18 44-0 series record when winning Game 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TGI Jef Posted June 15, 2009 Share Posted June 15, 2009 He's also been to the playoffs every year as a coach. 18 for 18 another good point. and while making the NBA playoffs every year is not the same landmark achievement it would be in the NFL, it is pretty unreal to think that Jackson has never had a team that has just simply had a "down" year due to injury/players leaving, etc. he might never pass Red in the eyes of many. no way to compare. but i do believe that getting another ring last night ended the Riley vs. Jackson argument for good if it wasnt over already. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCsportsfan53 Posted June 15, 2009 Share Posted June 15, 2009 I gotta say, of all the coaches you left out of that list you leave out the one the Super Bowl trophy's named after? I was going to go with Walsh, Bowman or Red off the list you have but it's gotta be Lombardi. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattFancy Posted June 15, 2009 Author Share Posted June 15, 2009 I gotta say, of all the coaches you left out of that list you leave out the one the Super Bowl trophy's named after? I was going to go with Walsh, Bowman or Red off the list you have but it's gotta be Lombardi. Damn it! Don't know how I managed that one Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hockeysc23 Posted June 15, 2009 Share Posted June 15, 2009 another good point. and while making the NBA playoffs every year is not the same landmark achievement it would be in the NFL, it is pretty unreal to think that Jackson has never had a team that has just simply had a "down" year due to injury/players leaving, etc.he might never pass Red in the eyes of many. no way to compare. but i do believe that getting another ring last night ended the Riley vs. Jackson argument for good if it wasnt over already. He also always had arguably the greatest player on his team at all times. I know all great times have great players. But in a sport like basketball that a single player can dominant unlike team focused sports such as football or NHL where you cannot have a weak link. I think it does diminish the stats a little. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE OUTSIDER Posted June 15, 2009 Share Posted June 15, 2009 This was by far, Phil Jacksons best coaching job. I voted Gibbs, but actually it's Phil Jackson. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ACW Posted June 15, 2009 Share Posted June 15, 2009 :secret: Red had Russell. Man, I would've LOVED to see an Auerbach-Celtics vs. a Phil-Bulls/Lakers. Red did it with the same team. Too close to call. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burgold Posted June 15, 2009 Share Posted June 15, 2009 I can't vote on this poll b/c I can't vote against Gibbs (and it wouldn't truly be right to vote for him) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE OUTSIDER Posted June 15, 2009 Share Posted June 15, 2009 :secret: Red had Russell.Man, I would've LOVED to see an Auerbach-Celtics vs. a Phil-Bulls/Lakers. Red did it with the same team. Too close to call. He also didn't have a salary cap to deal with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Titaw Posted June 15, 2009 Share Posted June 15, 2009 I can't vote on this poll b/c I can't vote against Gibbs (and it wouldn't truly be right to vote for him) Why? The man coached scrubs to championships. The Skins during Gibbs I were good teams, under any other coach the team probably doesn't make the playoffs. Under Gibbs though, they are superbowl cahmps and contenders EVERY YEAR. Threee different QB's, 3 different RB's, Different Olines, different defenses, three championships. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spjunkies Posted June 15, 2009 Share Posted June 15, 2009 Why? The man coached scrubs to championships. The Skins during Gibbs I were good teams, under any other coach the team probably doesn't make the playoffs. Under Gibbs though, they are superbowl cahmps and contenders EVERY YEAR. Threee different QB's, 3 different RB's, Different Olines, different defenses, three championships. I'll give you the first 2 rings, but that 1991 squad had talent that could rival the top Pats teams. The only reason they didn't win more is because they were old. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burgold Posted June 15, 2009 Share Posted June 15, 2009 Why? The man coached scrubs to championships. The Skins during Gibbs I were good teams, under any other coach the team probably doesn't make the playoffs. Under Gibbs though, they are superbowl cahmps and contenders EVERY YEAR. Threee different QB's, 3 different RB's, Different Olines, different defenses, three championships. I just think that he was one of... but not the best. And I have to include what he did in his second go around which was above average, but not equal to his first round. For the same reason, I would never include Belichick in this conversation. His first stint was so lousy that he can't be the best. Additionally, with Bellichick he has clouds of cheating and other issues that will diminish has achievements with the Pats in my eyes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE OUTSIDER Posted June 15, 2009 Share Posted June 15, 2009 I just think that he was one of... but not the best. And I have to include what he did in his second go around which was above average, but not equal to his first round. His last tenure WAS NOT above average. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrypticVillain Posted June 15, 2009 Share Posted June 15, 2009 3 Super Bowls, 3 Quarterbacks............ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burgold Posted June 15, 2009 Share Posted June 15, 2009 His last tenure WAS NOT above average. Compare his results to that of Norv, Spurrier, Schottenheimer, and so far Zorn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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