ThePreciating Posted May 15, 2009 Share Posted May 15, 2009 If they made the Redskins change their name, I'd consider going on a scalping spree, dressed in full native regalia. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redskin Rush Posted May 15, 2009 Share Posted May 15, 2009 Ha! In your face Natives! Go Redskins! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vicious Posted May 15, 2009 Share Posted May 15, 2009 We win one of these yearly. Never fails. At least we're winning something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shi no Tenshi Posted May 15, 2009 Share Posted May 15, 2009 If they made the Redskins change their name, I'd consider going on a scalping spree, dressed in full native regalia. As a card carrying Native American, I have never been offended by the name. I prefer to mock the non-indians that are trying to change it. It's completely stupid to call it insensitive. However...you do know that it wasn't the Natives that started the scalping thing, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThePreciating Posted May 15, 2009 Share Posted May 15, 2009 If I was Native American and the name Redskin was offensive to me, it's considered an opinion? If that were the case, it would be considered a fact that you were an oversensitive wuss. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThePreciating Posted May 15, 2009 Share Posted May 15, 2009 Started to get pissed off at Indians, so Indians are causing my racism, not the Redskin trademark. Exactly. Right now, I love Native Americans. If they make our team change its name though, I will start making up racial slurs for Native Americans just to spite them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thinking Skins Posted May 15, 2009 Share Posted May 15, 2009 Exactly. Right now, I love Native Americans. If they make our team change its name though, I will start making up racial slurs for Native Americans just to spite them. interesting opinion. Could you not share those with the rest of us though? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Portis for 6 Posted May 15, 2009 Share Posted May 15, 2009 If it should ever be changed than the Cle. Indians, Atl. Braves should follow suite... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FunBunch7 Posted May 15, 2009 Share Posted May 15, 2009 I drove the the Navajo Indian Reservation on my way from Phoenix to Colorado...there is a Middle School ON THE RESERVATION that has "Redskins" as their team mascot. I have a picture of it on my phone but I haven't been able to load the photo into ES. The FACT IS...it is not considered racist by EVERY Native American. I also used to work at an Indian Casino here in AZ for 8 years...there are way too many problems on reservations for them to continue to re-hash this issue...alcoholism, unemployment, high school drop outs, diabetes, etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arsenic Posted May 15, 2009 Share Posted May 15, 2009 man.. indian reservations sound awesome! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost of Posted May 15, 2009 Share Posted May 15, 2009 (my mind immediately is drawn to the Obama cartoon with him drawn as a monkey). Except that cartoon wasn't him and was based off the chimp that went wild and he didn't author that bill, Pelosi and Reid did. That was a case of personal destruction of political opposition by seizing an irrelevant detail as evidence of racial animus. Yankee, by the way, is an insult when used by non-Americans (or non-Northerners.) So...should we change that? I say no. Beyond that, it DOESNT MATTER if it's racially offensive in terms of court cases---how can someone else's feelings cause anyone to think they would be entitled to tell a private entity what it can/can't name itself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuryYourDuke Posted May 15, 2009 Share Posted May 15, 2009 Beyond that, it DOESNT MATTER if it's racially offensive in terms of court cases---how can someone else's feelings cause anyone to think they would be entitled to tell a private entity what it can/can't name itself. There's the Constitutionally correct opinion I was hoping someone would chime in with! This country was founded upon personal liberty, regardless of whether or not it always met that goal. Like it or not, it is no one's business but Dan Snyder's what his team is called. It is your choice whether or not to support it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mad Mike Posted May 15, 2009 Share Posted May 15, 2009 My wife's firm actually represented the injuns in the 1999 case. I never stop taunting the lawyers involved about the ludicrous nature of their case. They get rather flustered because a part of them believed in what they were doing, but, when faced with simple logic they have a difficult time supporting their initial views.As an example, it's hard to question that word usage defines word meaning. If I'm singing Hail to the Redskins, it's hard to argue I'm really saying screw those Indian bastiges. If I'm saying, "I'm going to kill you, you filthy redskin," it's hard to argue I'm talking about the football team. Word meaning changes over years. Redskins no longer means Indian. It means football team. I was with you till the end, but I find it hard to argue that the Redskins team name does not refer to indians when the team logo is an indian head. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Majormajor00 Posted May 15, 2009 Share Posted May 15, 2009 Maybe, maybe not:http://chronicle.com/news/article/6476/north-dakota-boards-vote-puts-universitys-fighting-sioux-mascot-on-thinner-ice yea, the two tribes both need to agree to let them use the name/logo for another 30 years, possibility is pretty remote from what I've read: http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,520248,00.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geoff_K Posted May 15, 2009 Share Posted May 15, 2009 hell i am offended when they call me "white" .. last time i looked i am not quite the shade of my T-Shirt (though my son tells me i am close) ..... some people can/will be offended by anything, sometimes you gotta just tell them to STFU and live with it .... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BAFGA Posted May 15, 2009 Share Posted May 15, 2009 This blog, which comments on sports media, never calls the Redskins by name. They call every other team in the NFL by their nickname except the Redskins. It's a shame, because that website has some great information, but i have a real problem with their "stance", so I don't read it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skin'Em84 Posted May 15, 2009 Share Posted May 15, 2009 http://anthropology.si.edu/goddard/redskin.pdf Here's a good read about the word Redskins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SMU Redskin Posted May 15, 2009 Share Posted May 15, 2009 Some great points have been made on this thread. i.e., "Redskins" doesn't refer to the color of skin, but rather the practice of painting the face red for war. Also, teams don't pick nicknames in mockery, they want something they can be proud of. Native Americans should be honored that teams want to use their history in their nickname, IMO. Also, the part about words changing over time- I never really thought about it. I'm a generally happy person, but I certainly wouldn't call myself gay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeadExField Posted May 15, 2009 Share Posted May 15, 2009 I'm all for changing the name to the Readskins Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gregpeck99 Posted May 15, 2009 Share Posted May 15, 2009 IMO the term "redskins" inherently is stereotypical and degrading especially when used together with a mascot depicting a person of that color. With so many innocuous designations available why continue using one that is even arguably inflammatory. If I were African American I would recoil at being called a "blackskin." The name continues to be an embarassment ... it should be changed sooner rather than later. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wvuskinsfan Posted May 15, 2009 Share Posted May 15, 2009 Im part cherokee and I could care less about the name. Esp for the fact our song is Hail to the Redskins that gives praise to the name. I know Jim Rome is always up in arms about the skins and the chiefs ,and one time one of his regular guest that is a skins fan who I can't remeber blasted him back for this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smoot Point Really Posted May 15, 2009 Share Posted May 15, 2009 As an example, it's hard to question that word usage defines word meaning. If I'm singing Hail to the Redskins, it's hard to argue I'm really saying screw those Indian bastiges. If I'm saying, "I'm going to kill you, you filthy redskin," it's hard to argue I'm talking about the football team. I liked your logic, but I have one point to raise a question about: What if someone said (and many say it, especially from other teams and fans of the team on this board): Redskins suck?!?!? While I don't believe the name is offensive as the Redskins use it, I do think there are often moments in the stadium where people tend to celebrate their team using really cheesy stereotypes. I think the moment we're forced to change our team name, that's when we become the "Washington Federal Express"... Then other teams would follow suit and you'd have the Miami Land Sharks, the Pittsburgh 57s, etc... you get the point... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SMU Redskin Posted May 15, 2009 Share Posted May 15, 2009 IMO the term "redskins" inherently is stereotypical and degrading especially when used together with a mascot depicting a person of that color. With so many innocuous designations available why continue using one that is even arguably inflammatory. If I were African American I would recoil at being called a "blackskin." The name continues to be an embarassment ... it should be changed sooner rather than later. As people said earlier... A. A team generally picks a nickname it's proud of, not something to mock B. "Redskin" doesn't refer to a native American's skin tone, but rather the practice of NE tribes to crush berries and paint their faces as ritual for battle. There are even many Native Americans who support the use of names such as Redskins, Indians, Chiefs, etc. How many people have to have their feelings "hurt" to justify changing one of the proudest traditions in professional sports? I don't think it would be the same if my NFL team was the Washington Americans, but I'm sure it will probably come to that in my lifetime Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chamelio Salamander Posted May 15, 2009 Share Posted May 15, 2009 From my understanding. The original Redskins only used the red war paint when going into battle. I view the nickname of the Washington football team as a way to honor fallen warriors of the past. Real Redskin Warriors Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Passizle Posted May 15, 2009 Share Posted May 15, 2009 Just more silly "special" interest group trying to remain special. I find it Ironic that the same people who preach about tolerance dont show any themselves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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