mjah Posted May 7, 2009 Share Posted May 7, 2009 His "medical reason" for testing positive - herpes medication. That's the second time I've read this today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattFancy Posted May 7, 2009 Share Posted May 7, 2009 Yep. They were putting up big numbers late in their careers as well. Ripken and Gwynn definiely didn't put up numbers late in their careers. The last 2 years of Riken's career he hit .256 with 15 HR and 56 RBI and .239 with 14 HR and 68 RBI. Gwynn hit .323 with 1 HR and 17 RBI and .324 with 1 HR and 17 RBI. I would hardly say those were big numbers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hubbs Posted May 7, 2009 Share Posted May 7, 2009 Scott Boras is confirming that the test failure wasn't for a steriod.Take it for what it's worth Does that mean the suspension might be reversed? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeesburgSkinFan Posted May 7, 2009 Share Posted May 7, 2009 Ripken and Gwynn definiely didn't put up numbers late in their careers. The last 2 years of Riken's career he hit .256 with 15 HR and 56 RBI and .239 with 14 HR and 68 RBI. Gwynn hit .323 with 1 HR and 17 RBI and .324 with 1 HR and 17 RBI. I would hardly say those were big numbers. In '96 Ripken collected more total bases and posted a higher slugging percentage than he had in 5 previous seasons. That was a also a year he was teammates with Brady Anderson, Manny Alexander and Palmeiro. Gwynn at 37 was hitting better than Gwynn at 28. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jthor99 Posted May 7, 2009 Share Posted May 7, 2009 Does that mean the suspension might be reversed? The fact that he's not appealing it makes the "excuse" a little BS in my opinion. If the situation really went down like Ramierz camp is defending then why not go to the doctor, and give the presciption to Major League Baseball? The silver lineing in all of that is it's ultimatley the PLAYERS responsibility to read and re-read lables in whatever they take. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hubbs Posted May 7, 2009 Share Posted May 7, 2009 BTW - the notion that modern day players are doing anything different (as in using drugs to enhance performance) from the players of the 50's, 60's and 70's is ripe for epic failure.Greenies (amphetamines) were alleged to be abused more then than they are now. And yes, greenies are PED's. As someone who uses amphetamines, I have to say, I'm not quite sure how they would enhance athletic performance. (That's not to say that I don't believe you. I do. But I've worked out and played sports while on them, and I didn't notice a difference. Just kinda curious.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ixcuincle Posted May 7, 2009 Share Posted May 7, 2009 LMAO Manny caught with HCG However, two sources told ESPN's T.J. Quinn and Mark Fainaru-Wada that the drug used by Ramirez is hCG -- human chorionic gonadotropin. HCG is a women's fertility drug typically used by steroid users to restart their body's natural testosterone production as they come off a steroid cycle. It is similar to Clomid, the drug Bonds, Giambi and others used as clients of BALCO. http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=4148907 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattFancy Posted May 7, 2009 Share Posted May 7, 2009 In '96 Ripken collected more total bases and posted a higher slugging percentage than he had in 5 previous seasons. That was a also a year he was teammates with Brady Anderson, Manny Alexander and Palmeiro. Gwynn at 37 was hitting better than Gwynn at 28. Ripken's slugging percentages from 94-96 were: .459, .422, and .466. Its not like it went from .780 to .450. I would hardly say those numbers set off any alarms for steroid use. Gwynn never hit below .300 in his career. His worst batting average was .309 in 1990. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hubbs Posted May 7, 2009 Share Posted May 7, 2009 LMAO Manny caught with HCGhttp://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=4148907 What would be the legitimate medical purpose behind it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jthor99 Posted May 7, 2009 Share Posted May 7, 2009 What would be the legitimate medical purpose behind it? The medical purpose to the get testosterone levels back to a normal level. Whatever that may be... Many steriod users use this in order to get their levels back to a normal balanced rate from what I understand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Brave Little Toaster Oven Posted May 7, 2009 Share Posted May 7, 2009 no, he was taking a women's fertility drug....to jumpstart his testosterone. HCG or something. :bow: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Travdaskin Posted May 7, 2009 Share Posted May 7, 2009 I am happy about this, less press on A-Rod YEAH!!! Even though he really did disappoint a lot of people, I am still in shock over that... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Brave Little Toaster Oven Posted May 7, 2009 Share Posted May 7, 2009 I am happy about this, less press on A-Rod YEAH!!! Less press on Favre actually Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Travdaskin Posted May 7, 2009 Share Posted May 7, 2009 Less press on Favre actually That too YEAH TO THAT lol... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattFancy Posted May 7, 2009 Share Posted May 7, 2009 So Manny has ED? http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news?slug=ys-ramirezsuspension050709&prov=yhoo&type=lgns Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Special K Posted May 7, 2009 Share Posted May 7, 2009 Gee, I'm shocked!!! Not. All these guys are guilty as far as I'm concerned. I don't understand why people act surprised or even outraged at this kind of crap. If the situation really went down like Ramierz camp is defending then why not go to the doctor, and give the presciption to Major League Baseball? The silver lineing in all of that is it's ultimatley the PLAYERS responsibility to read and re-read lables in whatever they take. Pretty much, it's up to the athletes to know WTF they are taking. It really isn't that hard. My guy gets tested by the IOC all the time. He knows what he can take and what he cannot take. He knows he can't even use Vick's Vapo Rub stuff, so he doesn't. It's not rocket science...unless you're actively attempting to circumvent the system. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Brave Little Toaster Oven Posted May 7, 2009 Share Posted May 7, 2009 how does one go about obtaining some HGH? :paranoid: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oldskool Posted May 7, 2009 Share Posted May 7, 2009 Hahaha. Take it in the face, Dodger fan. Someones 13-0 home record needs a * Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rincewind Posted May 7, 2009 Share Posted May 7, 2009 hahahahaha... takes a Red Sox player leaving Boston for him to get caught but at least it finally happened. 2004 and 2006 are now tainted. :evil: :evil: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Metalhead Posted May 7, 2009 Share Posted May 7, 2009 I don't like his attitude or on-field personality all that much, but I'll take his word until it's proven he is guilty. It appears baseball has significantly stronger steroid policy than any other sport, as in more common accessible drugs are on the list that maybe should not be. As for many on here stating he should know what he is putting in his body - can you name all the ingredients in sinus medicine? Dayquil? What about a 20 oz. bottle of Nestea? If a doctor gives me medicine, I trust their decision. Also, I thought 50 games was for the second infraction by a player? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Misterwookas Posted May 7, 2009 Share Posted May 7, 2009 GHC,GHB, whatever you want to call it, the fact is that in everybodys mind is the fact he cheated. bottom line. I have been watching this on ESPN all afternoon. They are saying dont judge him because no one knows if it was acutal steroidal compounds he was taking or GHC, which is a hormonal drug used by steroid takers to help keep their gains after a cycle. The fact is that Manny knows how scrutinized that the performance enhancing drugs issue is. He ****ed up, so he has to pay the fine. I like the point John Kruk made: Manny will lose about $7 million for the loss games but still will end up making $38 million for the season. What a country!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rincewind Posted May 7, 2009 Share Posted May 7, 2009 As for many on here stating he should know what he is putting in his body - can you name all the ingredients in sinus medicine? Dayquil? What about a 20 oz. bottle of Nestea? If a doctor gives me medicine, I trust their decision. Apples and oranges. We're not professional athletes who have trained professionals at their disposal to examine ALL of the substances they put in their bodies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Travdaskin Posted May 7, 2009 Share Posted May 7, 2009 hahahahaha... takes a Red Sox player leaving Boston for him to get caught but at least it finally happened. 2004 and 2006 are now tainted. :evil: :evil: EDIT: I changed my sig, is it too big, can someone please let me know lol... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duckus Posted May 7, 2009 Share Posted May 7, 2009 Am I the only one who does not care at all about this stuff? It happens in all sports. I am sure it is everywhere in the NFL. Hell look at Orakpo from freshman year to now at UT. I would not be surprised if he juiced...and honestly I don't care. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Metalhead Posted May 7, 2009 Share Posted May 7, 2009 Apples and oranges. We're not professional athletes who have trained professionals at their disposal to examine ALL of the substances they put in their bodies. So he didn't pay this doctor for expert advice? I'm under the impression the rich athletes know and can afford the best doctors, therefore trusting their judgement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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