rumplestilskin Posted April 12, 2009 Share Posted April 12, 2009 I know why you said it was your buddies draft and not yours because you feel guilty you spent so much time on a bunch of nonsense. You owe me 15 minutes of my life back I feel violated. Lose Campbell and get Freeman. What an upgrade. Come on? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigredskin77 Posted April 12, 2009 Share Posted April 12, 2009 I know why you said it was your buddies draft and not yours because you feel guilty you spent so much time on a bunch of nonsense. You owe me 15 minutes of my life back I feel violated. Lose Campbell and get Freeman. What an upgrade. Come on? The person we really need to lose is portis. We should send him in a deal for draft picks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lzeis24 Posted April 12, 2009 Share Posted April 12, 2009 That was interesting...he really thinks the Redskins would trade Carlos and Jason? I guess... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[[ghost]] Posted April 12, 2009 Share Posted April 12, 2009 I sincerely hate that draft, it if were true for us. We'd lose our best corner and our QB for a QB who's woefully unprepared for the NFL, and a solid RT. I'd rather just draft Oher at #13. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueinBuf Posted April 12, 2009 Share Posted April 12, 2009 Well I was paying attention to the Giants picks, 4 CB's drafted with the first 6 picks. And then another one after that. Sorry but that doesn't sound too likely to happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[[ghost]] Posted April 12, 2009 Share Posted April 12, 2009 The person we really need to lose is portis. We should send him in a deal for draft picks. Or instead of doing something ridiculously stupid, we could build around the best Offensive player on our team this decade. Instead, why don't we trade our backup RB to garner some more picks, so that we can actually build a line to block for our Elite RB and our QB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigredskin77 Posted April 12, 2009 Share Posted April 12, 2009 ];6310832']Or instead of doing something ridiculously stupid' date=' we could build around the best Offensive player on our team this decade. Instead, why don't we trade our backup RB to garner some more picks, so that we can actually build a line to block for our Elite RB and our QB.[/quote'] Portis is not Elite. We can draft a RB in the 5th round that will be better then portis. Who would to give us picks for ladell betts. He's not that good to demand picks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MEANDWARF Posted April 12, 2009 Share Posted April 12, 2009 Your buddy has plenty of time on his hands. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkinsWizCubsDukes Posted April 12, 2009 Share Posted April 12, 2009 Good effort, but I would absolutely hate this draft if it were real. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eljeasel Posted April 12, 2009 Share Posted April 12, 2009 I dont think I hate this draft, nor do I like it. I dont like the picks taken. I do like trading for more picks. Los and Campbell? Not sure I like that. Im not sold on Freeman, though I do like him. I do like getting all those extra picks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rumplestilskin Posted April 12, 2009 Share Posted April 12, 2009 Portis is not Elite. We can draft a RB in the 5th round that will be better then portis. Who would to give us picks for ladell betts. He's not that good to demand picks. That statement is all wrong. Portis was considered MVP for the first half of the season. If that aint elite what is? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laxpunk2006 Posted April 12, 2009 Share Posted April 12, 2009 not realistic.. why so many lb'sfor the skins????three of them the skins are still high on blades only one o lineman and since it easter i will censor myself on the Josh freeman selection edit i see the oher selection.. still not realistic Lots of LB's may be a good idea. On the roster we have Fletcher- great but old Rocky- Good but injury prone Blades- Heir apparent to Fletcher, possible OLB candidate Fincher- ST, decent depth Robert Thomas- first round bust coming off injury, possible depth We could definitely use a couple LB's in this draft. As far as the draft goes I applaud your buddy for the time and effort put into it. I also applaud him for having the balls to go out and try to predict a few trades. Obviously a lot of what he is predicting is dependent on those actually happening so I wouldn't expect this one to be too accurate but he has fairly solid reasoning behind most of them. The only one I don't really get is the Bengals to #1 for Crabtree. Even if they trade Ocho Chris Henry is still an extremely talented football player he's just an idiot off the field. They also drafted Jerome Simpson and Caldwell last draft so I would assume they think they have something with them. If they went to #1 I think it would be for their top rated OT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eljeasel Posted April 12, 2009 Share Posted April 12, 2009 ];6310832']Or instead of doing something ridiculously stupid' date=' we could build around the best Offensive player on our team this decade. Instead, why don't we trade our backup RB to garner some more picks, so that we can actually build a line to block for our Elite RB and our QB.[/quote'] I dont think you can even move Portis without creating a monstrous amount of dead cap sue to that garunteed money. You might be able to do that next year, but not this year. Some will say something like "why cant you get the other team to take the cap hit." Understand that means you have to expect less value back. What does this mean? Lets just for example, set Portis's value: Pros Hes a pro-bowl back. Hes a pretty tough guy. Hes pretty much garunteed to go for 1000+ and 5 TDs Great Blocker. Solid, but not elite receiver. No super major injuries We all know what strong about him. Cons Hes 27-28 Hes got significant mileage on him Some think hes lost the Sub 4.3 speed (despite the footrace with Landry) Salary for 2009: $9.9M (all garunteed), 2010: $11M (4.4 garunteed), 2011: $12.1M (about 1M garunteed), then 2012-2013: $8.5 m About 15M and some change of that is Garunteed. What do you think a team is willing to give up for a 28 year old running back going into his 8th year that maybe has lost his 6th gear? Again, lets just say its one first day pick and one second day pick (Im not saying thats his value, im just giving us a value to work with). A 2nd and a 6th. Straight up we give up CP and get a 2 and a 6 and have to deal with replacing him and having 15 M in dead cap to deal with along with no actual cap relief until the following year. Im not sure thats a net gain. You could get them to take the hit, or a portion of the hit. That means sweetening the deal for them, or reducing the asking price. Could be CP and a 4th for a 2nd. We might end up eating only half the cap hit. Again, we really traded a 4th for a 2nd and 8-15M in dead cap with no immediate cap relief. Not sure thats a net gain. Again, thats for a guy who wants to be here. Is that really a move for the best of the team, or is that just about getting rid of Portis? Two concerns. First, you could just let him play this year out. 9.9 of that 15M garunteed money would be paid. Yeah his value might be diminished, but it might not be. But you could have the option of moviing him without a crippling amount of dead cap created. I think youll see him restructure his deal, lowering his actual cap hit, but giving him garunteed money over the ungarunteed years of his deal allowing him to stay here longer. Of course, if the CBA goes the way of the Dodo, all bets are off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jtyler42 Posted April 12, 2009 Share Posted April 12, 2009 Good effort, but I would absolutely hate this draft if it were real. Pretty much sums up this thread... Why would you trade your starting QB and starting CB and then draft people to replace them that are either not ready to play(Freeman) or arent starting material(Mickens)? I understand the need to get more picks but, doing this would be like cutting off your nose to spite your face... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HailGreen28 Posted April 12, 2009 Share Posted April 12, 2009 Trading 'Los and Campbell, especially 'Los, would be grand theft by the Texans. I'd rather see Betts or Randle-El traded instead of 'Los this scenario. My head 'sploded from reading the rest of the draft. Enjoyed reading about all the other teams, and how they might pick. Good stuff! :applause: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AAARedskin Posted April 12, 2009 Share Posted April 12, 2009 I would love a scenario like this...seeing the Skins trading down to gain 2 or 3 extra picks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PrimetimeSkins26 Posted April 12, 2009 Share Posted April 12, 2009 #1: Why trade Jason Campbell? Apparently Josh Freeman is gonna be our starter? Haha wait nevermind that is Colt Brennans job to lose.:doh: #2: Why in gods name would we pass on Robert Ayers from Tennessee? #3: You broke my number 1 rule in the NFL draft. Never pick a lazy immature player(Duke Robinson). It just does not work. #4: Good Mike Mickens pick. #5: I know how much effort this takes. I love the effort man! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieHardSkins88 Posted April 12, 2009 Share Posted April 12, 2009 this is THE worst mock draft i have ever seen in my whole enitre life. This dude is clrearly retarded, his trades are so far fetched it is out of this world. We would be trading cambell away to pretty much get the same quarterback? And you have people giving away like 4 picks to move up a couple spots? ****ING RETARDED. Probably the most frustrating thing i ever read Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wyndorf25 Posted April 12, 2009 Share Posted April 12, 2009 I give you an "A" for effort. I like the idea of trading back a number of times to acquire more picks but the only pick you have the Skins taking that I would be really excited about would be OLB/FB/TE/ST-demon Brian Toal from BC in the 7th. That guy can play anywhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elkabong82 Posted April 12, 2009 Share Posted April 12, 2009 Portis is not Elite. We can draft a RB in the 5th round that will be better then portis. Who would to give us picks for ladell betts. He's not that good to demand picks. Wow, all that evidence you provided is hard to argue against, lol. Umm, yes, CP is elite. His career stats suggest so, especially when put in comparison with other starting RBs around the league. The argument that there are a bunch of RBs better than Portis is very tired at this point. After '06 season is when that debate really flared up, with people saying Larry Johnson, Shaun Alexander, Cadillac Williams, Willis McGahee, and others were better than Portis. CP is still producing, and most of the others aren't. Each year there's a "flavor of the month" RB who puts up 1 decent season, and then his name gets trotted out in these CP debates. It was Addai before, and recently was Ryan Grant, now it appears Michael Turner is about to hold that honor. "RBs are a dime a dozen" is incorrect. "RBs who give a solid season or 2 are a dime a dozen, consistently good RBs are a rarer commodity" seems more appropriate to me. Ladanian Tomlinson is still the best RB in the NFL right now, though injuries are causing his stock to fall. But, even still, LT is considered elite, so a statistical comparison between him and CP should show LT WAY out ahead of CP if CP isn't elite. Portis career rushing stats: 100 games/ 2052 att/ 9202 yds/ 4.5 avg/ 72 TDs/ 25 fumbles. CPs career per game average: 20.5 att/ 4.5 avg/ 92 yds/ 0.72 TD/ 0.25 fum LT career rushing stats: 127 games/ 2657 att/ 11760 yds/ 4.4 avg/ 126 TDs/ 25 fumbles LTs career per game average: 20.9 att/ 4.4 avg/ 92.6 yds/ 1.0 TD/ 0.20 fum How does CP rank all time? Portis is 27th in career yards. If he has another 1487 yd season, he moves to 20th ahead of Ricky Waters. If Portis puts up 1300 rush yards or more the next 3 seasons, he'd have a shot at moving ahead of Eric Dickerson. Portis is 27th all time in rush TDs. If he gets 20 TDs more in his career, he moves ahead of Franco Harris into the top 10. Portis is elite. Now for the assertion we could draft a RB in the 5th round who would match Portis' production. Really? It's theoretically possible, but that's about it. Here are the 5th rd RBs taken from 2002 (when CP entered the league) through today: 2008: Ryan Torrain, Tim Hightower, Marcus Thomas 2007: Kolby Smith 2006: Jerome Harrison 2005: Damien Nash, Justin Green 2004: Michael Turner, Thomas Tapeh 2003: none 2002: Kyle Johnson, Verron Haynes And here are the top 10 rushing yards leaders from '08 and which round they were drafted in: Peterson- 1st Turner- 5th Deangelo- 1st Portis- 2nd Thomas Jones- 1st Slaton- 3rd Forte 2nd Chris Johnson- 1st Ryan Grant- UDFA LT- 1st Even if you throw in Parker who is a great RB and was undrafted, the evidence still shows that typically RBs who produce like CP are drafted in the 1st or 2nd round. To claim so flippantly that CP's production could be matched by a 5th round pick is odd when there is almost no evidence to support such a claim. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[[ghost]] Posted April 12, 2009 Share Posted April 12, 2009 Portis is not Elite. We can draft a RB in the 5th round that will be better then portis. Who would to give us picks for ladell betts. He's not that good to demand picks. I'd love to prove you wrong, but it seems Elkabong and Eljeasel have already made a mockery of your logic. Nice try, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eljeasel Posted April 12, 2009 Share Posted April 12, 2009 ];6311237']I'd love to prove you wrong' date=' but it seems Elkabong and Eljeasel have already made a mockery of your logic.Nice try, though.[/quote'] Goodness. Elkabong brought some great analysis. I was just showing how moving Portis is not economically viable. Elkabong just tore a position to shreds. Excellent post, thanks for thinking that out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phishisthegreatstuff Posted April 13, 2009 Share Posted April 13, 2009 zero chance the patriots will give up that much. I doubt they will trade up at all. The rest of the picks are bad also. What a waste of time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Mac Patty Wack Posted April 13, 2009 Share Posted April 13, 2009 That draft would suck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wildbill1952 Posted April 13, 2009 Share Posted April 13, 2009 Mock Drafts are a lot of fun nd I take it in that spirit. Josh Freeman is the last of the available QB's before the talent level bottoms out. He will be a fair QB in a few years for somebody, but I doubt it will be the Skins. Picking up Oher in the first would be at least a stab at addressing the OL, but 3 new players are needed and it would have been 4 if the Dockery miracle had not occurred. It takes half a season for new OL to begin to click and Dan seldom lets Vinny pick OL. So it'll be interesting to see what the first pick is for Dan's fantasy team this year. Odds are, it won't be OL or DL. Dan likes Linebackers, so I expect to see a Linebacker as the first pick. But I doubt if the Skins will pick up 3 of them. Expect the standard wave at the needs of the OL by finding some OL in the 3rd or 4th rounds, and the same for DE or DT in the 4th, 5th or 6th. But still, your friend is way too logical. We're talking Dan Snyder's Fantasy Football team here. Drafting OL and DL doesn't happen in the first two rounds, ever, unless the Head Coach is making the pick. Zorn is the coach, but the draft is run by Dan with Vinny as his surrogate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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