Always A Commander Never A Captain Posted February 17, 2009 Share Posted February 17, 2009 If Ware is 6'4" and 255, the Orakpo can play DE in the East as well at 6 4 260 We need a strong side DE. Ware is a weak side OLB. BIG difference. Orakpo could play weak side DE, but we already have Carter doing that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bulldog Posted February 17, 2009 Share Posted February 17, 2009 you don't draft a 260 pound DE to play in a 4-3 unless you are ready to put Carter on the bench or release him. the Redskins if anything need a bigger DE who can stop the run AND rush the passer on the opposite side of Carter. it seems clear that Carter is a semi-bust. He is a guy that in some seasons can be a real contributor (2002 and 2007) and put up the sack totals, and then there are years (2006 and 2008) where he just disappears completely. it's rough when Carter with his production turns out to be the 'class' of the 2006 free agent bonanza. all those dollars wasted on bums. Archuleta. Brandon Lloyd. Antawn Randl El. Carter. The Redskins would have been a lot better off keeping the picks they gave to San Francisco and spending the money on the other players elsewhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDawg Posted February 17, 2009 Share Posted February 17, 2009 you don't draft a 260 pound DE to play in a 4-3 unless you are ready to put Carter on the bench or release him. Or unless you know he can add some weight to his frame and still be the same athlete. That's the big question with Orakpo. He may be a great DE/OLB in the league, but like I said earlier, I don't think he's the best fit for us. all those dollars wasted on bums. Carter is certainly not a bum. He's overpaid for sure, but he's done at least a decent job for us. The other guys on that list classify as bums. Carter is probably best described as mediocre. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Always A Commander Never A Captain Posted February 17, 2009 Share Posted February 17, 2009 You're on Rich. No way Orakpo is top 5 taken in the draft. Don't want to hinder the bet in any way. But I couldn't resist... Cleveland is strongly looking at a pass-rushing OLB at pick #5. Leading candidates are Brown and Orakpo. WR? Only if Crabtree falls. RB? I don't think any of the RB's will even go in the top 10. Beanie has injury history, Moreno has people worried about a system RB. QB? Not with Quinn on the roster. LT? They have the elite LT of the future with Joe Thomas RT? Convention dictates you don't draft a player to be a RT in the top 10. OG? Usually don't draft one in the top 20. C? Same as OG. DT? Don't need Raji, they have Rogers. DE? No top 10 3-4 DE's in the draft. CB? Jenkins is a possibility, but a good pass-rush turns bad corners good. ILB? Maybe, but Maualuga is borderline top10. And if Rogers is on fire, they ain't running up the middle. SS? Not in the top 10, they have Jones whose young, good against the run, and a playmaker FS? Not in the top 10, but Pool is young and improving. OLB? Wimbley has been a disappointment, and the other OLB is ****** 37 years old. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Always A Commander Never A Captain Posted February 17, 2009 Share Posted February 17, 2009 Carter is certainly not a bum. He's overpaid for sure, but he's done at least a decent job for us. The other guys on that list classify as bums.Carter is probably best described as mediocre. I'm a fan of Carter, I think he's underrated in this forum. He's not a locker-room problem, a team player. He also just restructured his contract (him and ARE), so it's less of a cap hit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HitStickTaylor21 Posted February 17, 2009 Share Posted February 17, 2009 I wouldn't be surprised at all. I was reading a blog on espn and whoever the Redskins official was in the interview said they were watching a lot of film on Orakpo, Maybin and Oher, more than any other prospects. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shilsu Posted February 17, 2009 Share Posted February 17, 2009 Just wondering how he fits into Blache's scheme. Will Blache use him as a pass rusher? Or will it be more of the same "stop the run first"? Hopefully Blache and the Redskins FO have a good idea of what they're planning to do with Orapko if they end up drafting him. Also, hopefully he'll overcome his frequent knee injuries. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDawg Posted February 17, 2009 Share Posted February 17, 2009 I'm a fan of Carter, I think he's underrated in this forum. He's not a locker-room problem, a team player. He also just restructured his contract (him and ARE), so it's less of a cap hit. I think he's over villified as well, but he has also been a disappointment when you look at how much he's bad. The restructuring doesn't earn him any extra accolades, though. It's to his benefit. (And the team's) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HitStickTaylor21 Posted February 17, 2009 Share Posted February 17, 2009 you don't draft a 260 pound DE to play in a 4-3 unless you are ready to put Carter on the bench or release him. you're right, you just trade a 2nd and 6th round pick for one Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Always A Commander Never A Captain Posted February 17, 2009 Share Posted February 17, 2009 I don't necessarily think Jackson will be a better player than Orakpo, but I think he's a good fit for us.Trading down will net us another pick on top of a later first rounder that we'd use on Jackson. Another pick lets us address another need. I'm a firm believer in Phillip Daniels being a huge reason why Andre Carter had ten sacks last year. PD was able to collapse the pocket from the outside in and force the QB into Andre Carter's grasp. With no PD this year, Carter struggled. Personally, I'm not sure PD has what it takes anymore at his age and with the type of injury he had last year, to have the same impact that he did previously. But Jackson is a PD mold. Big (6'4" 275) horse DE that should be able to move a pocket. He's a very nice fit for us. You know...I was gonna bold the portions of this quote that I liked, but realized I liked it all. Oh and Tyson Jackson is bigger than 275, he's like 290-295, which is PD size. And the more I think about it, our team has to draft based on our division as well. Our division will always be competitive, and it has certain traits, such as big lineman. Cowgirls and Eagles like the big guys. For example, Alphonso Smith is one of my top rated CB's in this draft, but he won't work in certain divisions due to his size. If we get a strong side DE, we need him to perform well in our division, which means bigger than normal. Maybe a DE that can play in either the 3-4 or 4-3 at DE is just what we need since our division commands it. I just had the most retarded idea ever, trade down for picks 20 and 33 with lions, get Peria Jerry and Tyson Jackson...can anybody say, "The pocket didn't just collapse, it never existed." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Always A Commander Never A Captain Posted February 17, 2009 Share Posted February 17, 2009 I wouldn't be surprised at all. I was reading a blog on espn and whoever the Redskins official was in the interview said they were watching a lot of film on Orakpo, Maybin and Oher, more than any other prospects. Say it ain't so! He's rumored to be 10 pounds lighter than what he's listed at...that puts him in the 230's! Dear god, our LBers are bigger than him...Brandon Jacobs would eat his soul and still be hungry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDawg Posted February 17, 2009 Share Posted February 17, 2009 Say it ain't so! He's rumored to be 10 pounds lighter than what he's listed at...that puts him in the 230's! Dear god, our LBers are bigger than him...Brandon Jacobs would eat his soul and still be hungry. If we're looking at Maybin at all, I would say it would be as either an OLB or a pass rusher. Not as a DE. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koolblue13 Posted February 17, 2009 Share Posted February 17, 2009 If we're looking at Maybin at all, I would say it would be as either an OLB or a pass rusher. Not as a DE. That kid is going to be a success in this league. Big time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Always A Commander Never A Captain Posted February 17, 2009 Share Posted February 17, 2009 If we're looking at Maybin at all, I would say it would be as either an OLB or a pass rusher. Not as a DE. It has to be, he would be like a rag doll playing strong-side DE. But he's best suited towards OLB in a 3-4. I think he has some experience at Penn State in dropping back in coverage, but to expect him to guard the TE often in a 4-3? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HitStickTaylor21 Posted February 17, 2009 Share Posted February 17, 2009 Say it ain't so! He's rumored to be 10 pounds lighter than what he's listed at...that puts him in the 230's! Dear god, our LBers are bigger than him...Brandon Jacobs would eat his soul and still be hungry. Found it: "I talked to at least one man at Redskins Park who has watched a ton of film on Ole Miss offensive tackle Michael Oher. When Chris Samuels went down with a season-ending injury, the team's running game virtually disappeared. You have to create some more depth on the offensive line. On defense, you can't afford to go into '09 with aging pass rushers. The Jason Taylor trade turned out to be a bust. There's no way you bring him back. I think the Redskins are spending a ton of time identifying the top pass rushers in the draft right now. Texas defensive end Brian Orakpo is a guy the Redskins really like. I'm also hearing that Penn State OLB/DE Aaron Maybin is someone the Redskins have spent a ton of time on." http://myespn.go.com/blogs/nfceast/0-8-39/Mosley-s-Mini-Mailbag.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Always A Commander Never A Captain Posted February 17, 2009 Share Posted February 17, 2009 "I talked to at least one man at Redskins Park ... I think the Redskins are spending a ton of time identifying the top pass rushers in the draft right now. Texas defensive end Brian Orakpo is a guy the Redskins really like. I'm also hearing that Penn State OLB/DE Aaron Maybin is someone the Redskins have spent a ton of time on." ...ugh... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
morpheusmeyers Posted February 17, 2009 Share Posted February 17, 2009 Trade down. Tyson Jackson. A vote for T. Jack is a vote for winning! /end campaigning Glad to see you're still hitting the campaign trail. Only two months and change till election day! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkinsMaster88 Posted February 17, 2009 Share Posted February 17, 2009 Remember, Marcus Washington was a DE at Auburn before coming into the NFL. If we're looking at Maybin, I'm pretty sure it would be for the strongside OLB spot, not as a down lineman opposite Carter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wildbill1952 Posted February 17, 2009 Share Posted February 17, 2009 I wouldn't be shocked if Vinny drafted a second baseman. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheREALJBird Posted February 17, 2009 Share Posted February 17, 2009 Maybin is only 230, and not worth picking @13 either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seanyt Posted February 17, 2009 Share Posted February 17, 2009 Wouldn't be shocked at all, The D-line has been Neglected for years, and the pick is OVERDUE!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darrelgreenie Posted February 17, 2009 Share Posted February 17, 2009 Texas defensive end Brian Orakpo is a guy the Redskins really like. I'm also hearing that Penn State OLB/DE Aaron Maybin is someone the Redskins have spent a ton of time on."http://myespn.go.com/blogs/nfceast/0-8-39/Mosley-s-Mini-Mailbag.html C'mon Vinnie you can do it! Get the Rak!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redskins:Victory_or_Death Posted February 17, 2009 Share Posted February 17, 2009 C'mon Vinnie you can do it!Get the Rak!! I'd prefer this rack and we stick to the OL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[[ghost]] Posted February 17, 2009 Share Posted February 17, 2009 It seems like we're hell bent on getting a pass rusher, since we seem to be focusing on Orakpo and Maybin. The fact that we're considering lightweight DEs who focus on Pass Rush leads me to believe that either Taylor is gone, or he's moving to OLB (which I would approve of). Daniels would than either be rotated with one of the speed rushers, or shift inside, which would also be fine. I'm just saying, if we're going to consider lightweight DEs, we may as well throw Everette Brown into the mix. He played in as many games as Maybin but had more sacks and TFLs than Orakpo and Maybin. Just saying. I was primarily against getting one of these lighter DEs- especially considering our glaring holes at OLB and especially at RT. I still think we'd be foolish to pass on of the big 4 tackles, but if these guys pan out and can give us a consistent pass rush, it'll be worth it. There's no doubt in my mind though, that if either Maybin, Orakpo, and Brown were to come here and put up solid numbers, that we'd be an elite Defense. This would only open things up for Carter and, if he's here, Taylor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Santana_Fan Posted February 17, 2009 Share Posted February 17, 2009 ];6133086']It seems like we're hell bent on getting a pass rusher' date=' since we seem to be focusing on Orakpo and Maybin.The fact that we're considering lightweight DEs who focus on Pass Rush leads me to believe that either Taylor is gone, or he's moving to OLB (which I would approve of). Daniels would than either be rotated with one of the speed rushers, or shift inside, which would also be fine. I'm just saying, if we're going to consider lightweight DEs, we may as well throw Everette Brown into the mix. He played in as many games as Maybin but had more sacks and TFLs than Orakpo and Maybin. Just saying. I was primarily against getting one of these lighter DEs- especially considering our glaring holes at OLB and especially at RT. I still think we'd be foolish to pass on of the big 4 tackles, but if these guys pan out and can give us a consistent pass rush, it'll be worth it. There's no doubt in my mind though, that if either Maybin, Orakpo, and Brown were to come here and put up solid numbers, that we'd be an elite Defense. This would only open things up for Carter and, if he's here, Taylor.[/quote'] Everette Brown is a cold beast. I would love if he came to the Redskins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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