Zhouse Posted October 14, 2008 Share Posted October 14, 2008 I posted this in one of the threads a while back but I wanted to bring it out now that we’re bringing in competition. I did a little research on Punters that are former Ray Guy Award winner in college and how they performed in the NFL. So far from 2000 till 2007 there have been 7 winners according to Wiki. Kevin Stemke 00 Travis Dorsch 01 Mark Mariscal 02 B.J. Sander 03 Daniel Sepulveda 04&06 Ryan Plackemeier 05 Durant Brooks 07 Out of those seven only one is currently a starting punter for a professional team this season....our own Durant Brooks and he may not have his job come Wednesday. (Daniel Sepulveda is with the Steelers but currently on IR for the second time). Kevin Stemke: Former punter of the Rams and the Raiders Travis Dorsch: Drafted by the Bengals (4th round) but never worked out. Was with the Packers and Minnesota for a bit. No longer in the NFL Mark Mariscal: Can't find anything on this guy. B.J. Sander: Originally drafted by the Packers. Currently a FA Ryan Plackemeier: Drafter by the Seahawks. Currently a FA after being released Sept. 2008. I guess being a Ray Guy award winner doesn't mean much ones you get to the NFL. I assumed transitioning from College to the Pros for a kicker or a punter will be less difficult than other positions. But maybe there’s more to it than I thought. I still like Brooks and hope he works out for us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Roger_Haggins Posted October 14, 2008 Share Posted October 14, 2008 he has been doing a pretty decent job so far.... its not his fault that our special teams coverage is horrible Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGreek1973 Posted October 14, 2008 Share Posted October 14, 2008 The cowturds will also need a punter now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zhouse Posted October 14, 2008 Author Share Posted October 14, 2008 he has been doing a pretty decent job so far.... its not his fault that our special teams coverage is horrible I agree I like the guy. But he just needs to deliver on consistent basis. If he didn't shank one of his punts on Sunday, I don't think we would be talking about him now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soup Posted October 14, 2008 Share Posted October 14, 2008 That's why you don't waste a pick on a punter Vinny. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimmySmith Posted October 14, 2008 Share Posted October 14, 2008 I think we all knew that Brooks was signed for 3 reasons. (1)Frost never established himself as reliable, (2)Brooks was cheap, and (3) it was a low risk move for a rebuilding team. Now that the Skins realize that (3) is out the window, they pretty much have no choice but to entertain new punters. I hope he improves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Roger_Haggins Posted October 14, 2008 Share Posted October 14, 2008 That's why you don't waste a pick on a punter Vinny. other than Horton all of our picks seem like a waste lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LD0506 Posted October 14, 2008 Share Posted October 14, 2008 It is just gonna break my ass if we see Brooks kickin up a storm five years from now with someone else. I have no clue why evaluating kickers seems to be so difficult. It doesn't appear that having the physical tools to do the job is even close to the top of the list in skills required. Mental toughness/ preparedness maybe? And how the hell would you test for that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingjames Posted October 14, 2008 Share Posted October 14, 2008 they should do away with the ray guy award. seeing brooks punts in person really shows the crappy distance and hang time. this guy sucks. i dont ever boo our players, ever. on sunday i could not resist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jfr3ek Posted October 14, 2008 Share Posted October 14, 2008 should have never used a draft pick on him... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tulane Skins Fan Posted October 14, 2008 Share Posted October 14, 2008 he has been doing a pretty decent job so far.... its not his fault that our special teams coverage is horrible Are you serious? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grimm Posted October 14, 2008 Share Posted October 14, 2008 This really blows me away, other than the pressure of being in the NFL shouldn't punting in college and the pros be the exact same thing, how was he the best in the country last year and now suck with us? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CallMeGreen Posted October 14, 2008 Share Posted October 14, 2008 Thanks Zhouse. Good research. In the world of anonymity that being a punter brings, it looks like winning the Ray Guy award means a player is destined to just about drop off the planet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan T. Posted October 14, 2008 Share Posted October 14, 2008 Interesting post, Zhouse. I thought it would be interesting to go further back than 2000, but it looks like the first Ray Guy award was made in 2000. You wouldn't think ID'ing a good pro punter based on college performance would be such a crap-shoot, but apparently it is. Very surprising to me... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Never4get#21 Posted October 14, 2008 Share Posted October 14, 2008 I posted this in one of the threads a while back but I wanted to bring it out now that we’re bringing in competition. I did a little research on Punters that are former Ray Guy Award winner in college and how they performed in the NFL. So far from 2000 till 2007 there have been 7 winners according to Wiki. Kevin Stemke 00 Travis Dorsch 01 Mark Mariscal 02 B.J. Sander 03 Daniel Sepulveda 04&06 Ryan Plackemeier 05 Durant Brooks 07 Out of those seven only one is currently a starting punter for a professional team this season....our own Durant Brooks and he may not have his job come Wednesday. (Daniel Sepulveda is with the Steelers but currently on IR for the second time). Kevin Stemke: Former punter of the Rams and the Raiders Travis Dorsch: Drafted by the Bengals (4th round) but never worked out. Was with the Packers and Minnesota for a bit. No longer in the NFL Mark Mariscal: Can't find anything on this guy. B.J. Sander: Originally drafted by the Packers. Currently a FA Ryan Plackemeier: Drafter by the Seahawks. Currently a FA after being released Sept. 2008. I guess being a Ray Guy award winner doesn't mean much ones you get to the NFL. I assumed transitioning from College to the Pros for a kicker or a punter will be less difficult than other positions. But maybe there’s more to it than I thought. I still like Brooks and hope he works out for us. Good Info. I was high on Brooks because of the monster leg in college. Ray Guy award winner doesnt mean to much obviously. I thought this kid did a decent job in the preseason. He could mature into a decent punter but we cant afford these type of mistakes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zhouse Posted October 14, 2008 Author Share Posted October 14, 2008 You wouldn't think ID'ing a good pro punter based on college performance would be such a crap-shoot, but apparently it is. Very surprising to me... Ya it really puzzles me.....how different is a NCAA ball to the NFL? Or maybe since NFL players are quicker and faster, a punter feels the pressure a lot quicker trying to get a punt off so he has to adjust his timing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zhouse Posted October 14, 2008 Author Share Posted October 14, 2008 Thanks Zhouse. Good research.In the world of anonymity that being a punter brings, it looks like winning the Ray Guy award means a player is destined to just about drop off the planet. Ya no kidding. 7 guys win it and all 7 of them are not punting right now.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan T. Posted October 14, 2008 Share Posted October 14, 2008 Or maybe since NFL players are quicker and faster, a punter feels the pressure a lot quicker trying to get a punt off so he has to adjust his timing. Others have thrown this out as a possible reason, but I am sure that NFL scouts put the stopwatch to these guys in college to make sure they get the ball off quick enough for the pros. But hey, they may be hurrying their kicks anyway in the face of a faster rush. :whoknows: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Art Monk Fan Posted October 14, 2008 Share Posted October 14, 2008 This reminds me far too much of our situation with David Akers. We bailed on him early on and he went on to a Pro Bowl career with the damn Eagles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
corrupt3d Posted October 14, 2008 Share Posted October 14, 2008 That's why you don't waste a pick on a punter Vinny. Unless his name is Adam Podlesh and its the 4th round of the 2007 draft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chasefan31 Posted October 14, 2008 Share Posted October 14, 2008 The interesting thing about the NFL "having faster rushers" is that there are way more blocked punts in college. I know there are way more games each saturday also, but there are college teams that can consistantly block several each year. Maybe he's trying to hard to directional kick, or hit a spot instead of just kicking the thing high and hard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diesel70ChipOnWhite Posted October 14, 2008 Share Posted October 14, 2008 Why can't we find somebody "outside the box" like the Iggles did with Sav Rocca. Go to the AFL and get one these strong legged aussie's out here for a tryout. Some of the kicks those guys have are just insane. Take for instance this guy kicking the ball 90 meters. 90 meters = 98.4251969 yards for you math wizards. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z41y00Hd7yE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimbo Posted October 14, 2008 Share Posted October 14, 2008 Stash Brooks on IR with his groin pull and give him a shot in camp next year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lombardi's_kid_brother Posted October 14, 2008 Share Posted October 14, 2008 Why punters and kickers can't transition to the NFL always confuses me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rellascout Posted October 14, 2008 Share Posted October 14, 2008 he has been doing a pretty decent job so far.... its not his fault that our special teams coverage is horrible Are you kidding me. I could get more hand time on 30 yard punts. :doh: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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