DirtyBird Posted October 9, 2008 Share Posted October 9, 2008 I'm not claiming they're evil, but my point still stands...if we allow this behavior to continue and do nothing about it, it will flourish. This is where we disagree and are just going in circles. I respect their right to their opinions, so why would I try to take that right away? If someone were to act upon their opinion and commit a crime against Obama then they would go to jail for the act not the opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baculus Posted October 9, 2008 Share Posted October 9, 2008 Obama interrupts his speeches all the time to respond to people, that's part of what makes him so likeable in his speeches, yet if someone started shouting "terrorist" regarding McCain where Obama could hear it and visibly respond to it (as can be seen in the McCain speech) and Obama didn't correct the fool who shouted it then yes I would be disappointed in him to and be saying the same things to him, but as of yet I have not seen any evidence nor claims that would make me think that this is happening. And apparently this problem is getting bad enough that the Secret Service is actually investigating these reports. I do think that's part of the disturbing trend from the McCain - Palin ticket: They are really just trying to tear down sen. Obama as someone "not of this country," and completely dehumanize him as the enemy. They are, at this point, even trying to suggest he is a "terrorist"; it is no surprise that some of the jingoists that support McCain - Palin may react with violence. I do not see the same efforts from the Obama - Biden ticket to completely destroy their opponents. When the enemy is dehumanized, it is much easier to attack them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tulane Skins Fan Posted October 9, 2008 Share Posted October 9, 2008 I do think that's part of the disturbing trend from the McCain - Palin ticket: They are really just trying to tear down sen. Obama as someone "not of this country," and completely dehumanize him as the enemy. They are, at this point, even trying to suggest he is a "terrorist"; it is no surprise that some of the jingoists that support McCain - Palin may react with violence.I do not see the same efforts from the Obama - Biden ticket to completely destroy their opponents. When the enemy is dehumanized, it is much easier to attack them. Joe Biden is asking (rhetorically) why McCain wouldn't make these comments at the debate, but only when Obama's not around. "Say it to his face." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AsburySkinsFan Posted October 9, 2008 Share Posted October 9, 2008 I do think that's part of the disturbing trend from the McCain - Palin ticket: They are really just trying to tear down sen. Obama as someone "not of this country," and completely dehumanize him as the enemy. They are, at this point, even trying to suggest he is a "terrorist"; it is no surprise that some of the jingoists that support McCain - Palin may react with violence.I do not see the same efforts from the Obama - Biden ticket to completely destroy their opponents. When the enemy is dehumanized, it is much easier to attack them. Agreed, which is another reason why I am disgusted with the McCain campaign, and to think that I respected that man 8 years ago, oh how far he's fallen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AsburySkinsFan Posted October 9, 2008 Share Posted October 9, 2008 Joe Biden is asking (rhetorically) why McCain wouldn't make these comments at the debate, but only when Obama's not around. "Say it to his face." Because McCain knows that he'd be in for a verbal beat down and would be humiliated in front of the whole world, which is exactly why he has his surrogates float the idea to see how it is received then he has his VP start saying it, all so it can't be said that "McCain called Obama a terrorist" but in the end it has the same affect and they know it, the only people who don't want to admit it are those too drunk on the kool-aid to pay attention to reality. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ross3909 Posted October 9, 2008 Share Posted October 9, 2008 Ahhh, yes, when you don't like the information blame the person who gave it to you so you can continue to believe what is most useful in being able to maintain your opinion regardless of the facts. :doh: Facts? Like the facts that the media brings out about Bill Ayers, Tony Resco, Wright, Acorn, Odinga, and the dirty politics that he has played in Chicago? Oh wait the media never covered any of that until it was stuck in their face. No they would rather all run up to Alaska and dig up dirt on Gov Palin. I would love the media too if they only favored my take on politics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AsburySkinsFan Posted October 9, 2008 Share Posted October 9, 2008 Facts? Like the facts that the media brings out about Bill Ayers, Tony Resco, Wright, Acorn, Odinga, and the dirty politics that he has played in Chicago? Oh wait the media never covered any of that until it was stuck in their face. No they would rather all run up to Alaska and dig up dirt on Gov Palin. I would love the media too if they only favored my take on politics. How do we know all of those names? Oh that's right, the media. Duh silly me. I mean afterall I had to get a bootleg copy of Rev. Wright, and I would never have heard about Ayers if not for Extremeskins...puh-leeze. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chaddukes Posted October 9, 2008 Share Posted October 9, 2008 I doubt Code Pink is calling for McCain to be killed. Again, check out Zombietime.com. You would be shocked by some of the things that people are caught doing and saying at rallies. http://www.zombietime.com/hall_of_shame/ I can't hear the video because my speakers are on the blink. So, I don't know precisely what was said. I can't compare. I'm like a child wandering into the middle of a conversation, Walter! And I'm not trying to excuse anyones actions. But, its foolish to assign blame to someone because some of thier most extreme supporters say stupid things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chaddukes Posted October 9, 2008 Share Posted October 9, 2008 Ahhh, but here's the trick...as a pastor I am completely responsible for what I say to my people, if I incite them to violence then I am just as responsible because of what I say, and if I am their "leader" and I do not put a stop to brewing hatred and quell potential violence than I am not their leader unless those are the things I want. Did McCain incite violence? I can't speak to the other point. I can't hear the video. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baculus Posted October 9, 2008 Share Posted October 9, 2008 Facts? Like the facts that the media brings out about Bill Ayers, Tony Resco, Wright, Acorn, Odinga, and the dirty politics that he has played in Chicago? Oh wait the media never covered any of that until it was stuck in their face. No they would rather all run up to Alaska and dig up dirt on Gov Palin. I would love the media too if they only favored my take on politics. The media has discussed much of this - you can use Google and find articles on every one of the subjects that you just mentioned. Heck, we have heard about Ayers and Wright for months. Part of the problem is that, to folks such as yourself, it doesn't go far enough to discredit your political opponents. Meanwhile, you seem to be completely unaware to the issues relating to both Palin and McCain, and I am sure you have dismissed any criticisms of both of these candidates as "smears," like most of their supporters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ross3909 Posted October 9, 2008 Share Posted October 9, 2008 I do think that's part of the disturbing trend from the McCain - Palin ticket: They are really just trying to tear down sen. Obama as someone "not of this country," and completely dehumanize him as the enemy. They are, at this point, even trying to suggest he is a "terrorist"; it is no surprise that some of the jingoists that support McCain - Palin may react with violence.I do not see the same efforts from the Obama - Biden ticket to completely destroy their opponents. When the enemy is dehumanized, it is much easier to attack them. I think Obama is of this country, I never questioned that. I think he represents the far left socialist view of this country but he is part of this country. I think for a man that wants to be the president he has very little experience being a leader and keeps very disturbing company. I dont think that Obama is a terrorist, I am not so sure that he does not hang out with them. I have seen much more violence from the left with attacks on campaign offices and death threats filled with white powder sent to staffers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AsburySkinsFan Posted October 9, 2008 Share Posted October 9, 2008 Did McCain incite violence? I can't speak to the other point. I can't hear the video. My point was not so much about McCain as the freedom and responsibility of speech, I was creating a hypothetical whereby I become responsible for the results of my speech. However, I am implying that McCain does bear some responsibility in refusing to address the things that he knows are being said from his supporters, and not in small numbers either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AsburySkinsFan Posted October 9, 2008 Share Posted October 9, 2008 I think Obama is of this country, I never questioned that. I think he represents the far left socialist view of this country but he is part of this country. I think for a man that wants to be the president he has very little experience being a leader and keeps very disturbing company. I dont think that Obama is a terrorist, I am not so sure that he does not hang out with them. You present logical and reasoned thoughts, excellent. I have seen much more violence from the left with attacks on campaign offices and death threats filled with white powder sent to staffers. Here's where I must argue the point, domestic terrorists in this country have typically been conservatives, Waco, Oaklahoma City, Ruby Ridge, etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bird_1972 Posted October 9, 2008 Share Posted October 9, 2008 Eh, whatever. That video doesn't bother me.I bet you could make a pretty outrageous video out of comments made by some Code Pink nutters at an Obama rally. Lots of stupid people out there. Code Pink is a fringe group, Predicto. This is McCain and Palin's base. BIG difference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VASkins540 Posted October 9, 2008 Share Posted October 9, 2008 ugh...that was hard to watch... :doh: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ross3909 Posted October 9, 2008 Share Posted October 9, 2008 The media has discussed much of this - you can use Google and find articles on every one of the subjects that you just mentioned. Heck, we have heard about Ayers and Wright for months.Part of the problem is that, to folks such as yourself, it doesn't go far enough to discredit your political opponents. Meanwhile, you seem to be completely unaware to the issues relating to both Palin and McCain, and I am sure you have dismissed any criticisms of both of these candidates as "smears," like most of their supporters. I listen to both sides with a grain of salt. The only problem is that a majority of the main stream press is in the tank for Obama and want to see him elected. Most of the stories that I mentioned above were known about for months and common knowledge but were not covered as stories until media outlets could not ignore them anymore. If I ever question my beliefs, all I have to do is check and see who Sean Penn, Madonna, Castro, Hugo Chavez, Nancy Pelosy, Harry Reid, Michael Moore, Hamas, Khalidi, and Joe Biden supports and go 180 degrees the other way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AsburySkinsFan Posted October 9, 2008 Share Posted October 9, 2008 I listen to both sides with a grain of salt. This.... is contradicted by this.... If I ever question my beliefs, all I have to do is check and see who Sean Penn, Madonna, Castro, Hugo Chavez, Nancy Pelosy, Harry Reid, Michael Moore, Hamas, Khalidi, and Joe Biden supports and go 180 degrees the other way. So when Biden says that America is great you don't believe him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ross3909 Posted October 9, 2008 Share Posted October 9, 2008 Code Pink is a fringe group, Predicto. This is McCain and Palin's base. BIG difference. Not really. There are the angry lefties like Code Pink and the zombies that mindlessly parrot back at the Obama rallies...HOOOOPE...CHHAANNGE...HOOOPE...CHHAANNGE... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bird_1972 Posted October 9, 2008 Share Posted October 9, 2008 Not really. There are the angry lefties like Code Pink and the zombies that mindlessly parrot back at the Obama rallies...HOOOOPE...CHHAANNGE...HOOOPE...CHHAANNGE... Those zombies aren't saying "Kill Him" when the subject of McCain comes up. That's a fave of the gun-toting, right wing crazies that are/have ruined our country. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterMP Posted October 9, 2008 Share Posted October 9, 2008 I saw this too.... this is getting out of hand when one candidate is inciting violence on the other (intentionally or not).My friend raises money for republican pac's, etc., and I asked him about the "that one" comment the other night. His response shocked me. He said "I just don't think McCain respects Obama at all. And I don't really blame him." I said to him "so you don't think McCain should respect the only other major political party candidate running for president?" and he responded something like "well, respect is harsh... I think McCain just has a disdain for him." Frankly, I don't see the difference. You should read about Andrew Jackson and his interactions with the other leading political candidates of his time- including Adams who was also a President. I don't think not respecting or having disdain for the opposing candidate is all that uncommon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skinned em' Posted October 9, 2008 Share Posted October 9, 2008 .So when Biden says that America is great you don't believe him? No. We believe Mrs obama. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ross3909 Posted October 9, 2008 Share Posted October 9, 2008 This....is contradicted by this.... So when Biden says that America is great you don't believe him? No problem, he would never say something like that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Special K Posted October 9, 2008 Share Posted October 9, 2008 I'm sure there are no nutcases at an Obama rally. Give me a break Hooper Is Michael Moore behind the camera here? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koolblue13 Posted October 9, 2008 Share Posted October 9, 2008 Those zombies aren't saying "Kill Him" when the subject of McCain comes up. That's a fave of the gun-toting, right wing crazies that are/have ruined our country. A) That's because McCain doesn't need killing, he is 104. Did you imply that conservatives who own guns are 100% responsible for the position our country is in? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ross3909 Posted October 9, 2008 Share Posted October 9, 2008 Those zombies aren't saying "Kill Him" when the subject of McCain comes up. That's a fave of the gun-toting, right wing crazies that are/have ruined our country. I no more support someone yelling "Kill Him" at an Obama rally about McCain than I would at a McCain rally about Obama. We have a fundemental difference of opinion about what direction this country should go from here. I dont believe that Government is the answer for everything. Liberals do, it is not something to kill over, but I do understand people being passionate about it. There are intelligent people on both sides of the argument, I just dont agree with Obama. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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