Teller Posted September 23, 2008 Share Posted September 23, 2008 A drive with two random penalties. I'll give you the first 15 yarder for the helmet (if it landed in the field of play), but the second and third were questionable. This is why I would be really interested in seeing this game. As for those refuting what that there were no racial slur being tossed around, simply because there were no accounts in the city news paper are just plain silly. Do you really expect them to come out and say, "yeah, we called him a n***** a few times to get em riled up. It was part of our gameplan. Kinda like a blackout....cept it was a whiteout." But you expect US to believe the Dunbar player's account, which is COMPLETELY unsubstantiated. At least we saw the actions that resulted in the penalties? Hypocritical much? Interesting that you believe one guy WITHOUT support, but question the position that has visual evidence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ccsl2 Posted September 23, 2008 Share Posted September 23, 2008 it is sad. but it's hard to believe that no ref, official, admin., no one but this coach, can witness to it.google fort hill / dunbar....i found a message board with a lot of eyewitness accounts. this coach flat out stated that he felt they'd get cheated in cumberland MONTHS before the game. i think he had the wrong mindset going in. as a football coach that has always had a good number of black kids on my team, if we're going somewhere that they may hear that, i give them a heads up, tell them they need to rise above it, beat their ass on the field, and let me know when they do hear it. i'd never quit. that's just wrong. I agree with you there. Maybe the coach was worried about the safety of the players (on both teams) and the fans and decided that hey it is better to get out of here safely with a loss than winning and having a major (no pun intended) fight break out. Tough call. I know I wouldn't want to be in the coaches shoes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buenosdiaz Posted September 23, 2008 Share Posted September 23, 2008 But you expect US to believe the Dunbar player's account, which is COMPLETELY unsubstantiated. At least we saw the actions that resulted in the penalties?Hypocritical much? Interesting that you believe one guy WITHOUT support, but question the position that has visual evidence. because thats not something that you just make up for the most part Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ccsl2 Posted September 23, 2008 Share Posted September 23, 2008 But you expect US to believe the Dunbar player's account, which is COMPLETELY unsubstantiated. At least we saw the actions that resulted in the penalties?Hypocritical much? Interesting that you believe one guy WITHOUT support, but question the position that has visual evidence. The TRUTH lies some where in between. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DirtyBird Posted September 23, 2008 Share Posted September 23, 2008 because thats not something that you just make up for the most part I'd like to know how you came to that conclusion? Anybody who cries racism is beyond reproach because they couldn't possibly be making it up? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teller Posted September 23, 2008 Share Posted September 23, 2008 because thats not something that you just make up for the most part So, for the most part, the white guy is guilty until proven otherwise? I hope you're never on a jury of mine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimmySmith Posted September 23, 2008 Share Posted September 23, 2008 Interesting article from the Cumberland Times-News. http://www.times-news.com/local/local_story_267092753.html Basically says that Dunbar coach pulled the team due to officiating, and is using "racism" as his out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ccsl2 Posted September 23, 2008 Share Posted September 23, 2008 So, for the most part, the white guy is guilty until proven otherwise? H_H that isn't just for white guys, that's how it is in America in general. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BRAVEONAWARPATH Posted September 23, 2008 Share Posted September 23, 2008 H_H that isn't just for white gys, that's how it is in America in general. :applause: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Sisko Posted September 23, 2008 Share Posted September 23, 2008 But you expect US to believe the Dunbar player's account, which is COMPLETELY unsubstantiated. At least we saw the actions that resulted in the penalties?Hypocritical much? Interesting that you believe one guy WITHOUT support, but question the position that has visual evidence. There's only one problem with the "unsubstantiated" part of the accusations. I doubt the refs or cameras would be able to pick up comments made between guys close together on the line or immediately after a tackle for example. In the NFL there are mics and cameras everywhere but in HS, they're probably doing good to have two cameras and enough uniforms to go around. As I said, I wouldn't be surprised if the racial slurs were actually thrown out there (on either side) but there's absolutely no way to prove it one way or the other. Again, I'm dissappointed in the Dunbar coach for not using this incident as a tool to teach his kids how to compete in life. As my wrestling coach always taught me, "If you allow your opponent to make you angry, you're 80% beaten." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Sisko Posted September 23, 2008 Share Posted September 23, 2008 H_H that isn't just for white guys, that's how it is in America in general. Oh great. Here we go again with the poor downtrodden white man routine. :violin: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PleaseBlitz Posted September 23, 2008 Share Posted September 23, 2008 Interesting article from the Cumberland Times-News.http://www.times-news.com/local/local_story_267092753.html Basically says that Dunbar coach pulled the team due to officiating, and is using "racism" as his out. $20 says this article gets passed right over. Why let the facts get in the way of a good race thread? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buenosdiaz Posted September 23, 2008 Share Posted September 23, 2008 HH i didnt say anything about white people...from the article you have kids crying (probably out anger) and a coach that goes as far as having his team leave the field. Why would they be making this up? Could they be exaggerating it? Sure... Does it matter if they are, I think it's obvious SOMETHING was said...and it wasnt right... whats wrong with that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DirtyBird Posted September 23, 2008 Share Posted September 23, 2008 There's only one problem with the "unsubstantiated" part of the accusations. I doubt the refs or cameras would be able to pick up comments made between guys close together on the line or immediately after a tackle for example. In the NFL there are mics and cameras everywhere but in HS, they're probably doing good to have two cameras and enough uniforms to go around.As I said, I wouldn't be surprised if the racial slurs were actually thrown out there (on either side) but there's absolutely no way to prove it one way or the other. Again, I'm dissappointed in the Dunbar coach for not using this incident as a tool to teach his kids how to compete in life. As my wrestling coach always taught me, "If you allow your opponent to make you angry, you're 80% beaten." Do you agree that if something was said on the field that the black players for Fort Hill would have heard something? The Fort Hill TE, who is black, is on record saying there were no racial slurs. EDIT for those that passed over the article. “The head coach from Dunbar told me the Fort Hill players were using the ‘N-word’ toward his players,” game referee Robert M. Broadwater of the Potomac Valley Officials Board wrote in his report of the game. “I told him we did not hear anything. Going back to the Fort Hill huddle, I told players that if there was any talking going on to knock it off. A player from Fort Hill (tight end Jordan Helmick, who is African-American) replied, ‘No sir, just playing football.’ ” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PleaseBlitz Posted September 23, 2008 Share Posted September 23, 2008 HH i didnt say anything about white people...from the article you have kids crying (probably out anger) and a coach that goes as far as having his team leave the field.Why would they be making this up? Could they be exaggerating it? Sure... Does it matter if they are, I think it's obvious SOMETHING was said...and it wasnt right... whats wrong with that? It's not obvious at all. In fact, all the facts contradict what 1 coach said. It looks like the coach didnt like the officiating so he took his ball and went home like a *****. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DirtyBird Posted September 23, 2008 Share Posted September 23, 2008 HH i didnt say anything about white people...from the article you have kids crying (probably out anger) and a coach that goes as far as having his team leave the field.Why would they be making this up? Could they be exaggerating it? Sure... Does it matter if they are, I think it's obvious SOMETHING was said...and it wasnt right... whats wrong with that? So the only reason these kids could get fired up is if they were having racial slurs yelled at them? I was a kid once, I got fired up if you looked at me wrong, didn't even have to open your mouth. 99% of the time I got fired up it was because of my perception and not reality. That's what kids do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teller Posted September 23, 2008 Share Posted September 23, 2008 The evidence continues to mount in favor of those of us who say "innocent until proven guilty." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dictator Posted September 23, 2008 Share Posted September 23, 2008 $20 says this article gets passed right over. Why let the facts get in the way of a good race thread? All that's missing from this thread is SL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teller Posted September 23, 2008 Share Posted September 23, 2008 Oh great. Here we go again with the poor downtrodden white man routine. :violin: Video evidence, all of the investigations, and all of the stories support my position, Yusuf, sorry. Post one iota of anything that supports the other side, and I'll gladly STFU. (And I mean something besides, "they accused them, so it HAS to be true.") My apologies for dealing in fact. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ccsl2 Posted September 23, 2008 Share Posted September 23, 2008 Now if we could only apply that to every case we would be so further along as a country. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teller Posted September 23, 2008 Share Posted September 23, 2008 Why would they be making this up? As an excuse for quitting maybe? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PleaseBlitz Posted September 23, 2008 Share Posted September 23, 2008 all that's missing from this thread is sl. lol! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Major Harris Posted September 23, 2008 Author Share Posted September 23, 2008 A drive with two random penalties. I'll give you the first 15 yarder for the helmet (if it landed in the field of play), but the second and third were questionable. This is why I would be really interested in seeing this game. As for those refuting what that there were no racial slur being tossed around, simply because there were no accounts in the city news paper are just plain silly. Do you really expect them to come out and say, "yeah, we called him a n***** a few times to get em riled up. It was part of our gameplan. Kinda like a blackout....cept it was a whiteout." bad calls happen. it doesn't make it racist. but if a coach is on the field cursing refs, they get flagged just about 100 times out of 100. as to your 2nd point, do you really believe that 11 players on the field, 5 or 6 coaches, and as many as six referees are all just lying? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#98QBKiller Posted September 23, 2008 Share Posted September 23, 2008 Actually that's the pinko commie left. And what's wrong with this country when good, honest, law abidin' white folk can't call some n***** a n*****?Sincerely, Navy "Uncle Rukus" Dave I'm pretty sure I remember Navy Dave saying that he is black Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ccsl2 Posted September 23, 2008 Share Posted September 23, 2008 As an excuse for quitting maybe? Let's stick with facts and not asssumptions H_H Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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