Titaw Posted September 16, 2008 Share Posted September 16, 2008 Yes, it was coach Zorns firs win as a HC and yes, the offense looked impressive, but there are two reasons why I personally believe that this win was the BIGGEST in the last 2 1/2 years. You see Jason Campbell exorcised two demons on Sunday in one play. With 3:29 left in the game Jason Campbell hit Santana, pretty much in stride for the game winning touchdown. In his NFL career, Jason Campbell hasn't connected deep, not ONCE. Remember last year MNF, in Philly? Jason Campbell overthrew a WIDE open Santana Moss for a game clincher. What about week one where he hesitated and the defender proke up the pass? Not Sunday, he delivered an almost perfect ball to a wide open Santana Moss. What's the second demon you ask? Well, Jason Campbell has also never had a fourth quarter, game winning performance. Last year three games come to mind, Green Bay, Tampa Bay and Dallas. In those three games Jason Campbell did just enough to keep us in the game, but couldn't seem to find a way to finish. Not on Sunday, not only did he finish, he finished in a big way. For the past two and a half years Jason Campbell football has been, do just enough to keep us in the game and find a way to lose late. Not so anymore. You see, for young QB's that have made the mistakes Jason has in the fourth quarters of years past, they start to doubt if they are ever going to be able to do it Now when the situation arises again, Jason is going to believe that he can doi it because he already has done it. Ladies and Gentlement, we may have just witnessed Jason Campbell turning the corner. HTTR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TGI Jef Posted September 16, 2008 Share Posted September 16, 2008 good point, but id say that this was his second clutch performance - the pass to Cooley against Carolina 2 years ago was his first. both, interestingly enough, came on JC audibles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jtyler42 Posted September 16, 2008 Share Posted September 16, 2008 Not sure I agree(JC had a come from behind 4th quarter victory against Carolina in 06'), but good post! I just don't believe we can put all of those losses on JC. Alot of factors play a role: conservative coaching, poor defense, lack of playmakers making plays for him, etc... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iMeast Posted September 16, 2008 Share Posted September 16, 2008 Good points but I am going to call shenanigans until I see consistency I won't say he has turned the corner. Jason Campbell however did take a big step in the right direction. HTTR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FunBunch7 Posted September 16, 2008 Share Posted September 16, 2008 I must admit...I thought that maybe some point in the 4th quarter Donavan McNabb came in and switched jerseys with JC... This is DEFINITELY something JC and the staff can build on. I soooo love that Zorn put the ball in JC's hands on the 4th down play...when all is said and done this year, that might be the play that it all hinges on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BryenJ1982 Posted September 16, 2008 Share Posted September 16, 2008 Also he did a nice job of avoiding the rush on that play, something we haven't really seen out of him. All those Zorn drills might be starting to pay off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iMeast Posted September 16, 2008 Share Posted September 16, 2008 Not sure I agree(JC had a come from behind 4th quarter victory against Carolina in 06'), but good post! I just don't believe we can put all of those losses on JC. Alot of factors play a role: conservative coaching, poor defense, lack of playmakers making plays for him, etc... I don't know about that. In the Dallas and Tampa Bay games he threw interceptions because he forced things while the Redskins were in the redzone (Dallas) and in the opposing teams territory (Tampa Bay). I would pin some of those on him. I was worried it was going to happen again Sunday, but he finally learned how to make quick reads and protect the ball if only for a game. HTTR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
No Excuses Posted September 16, 2008 Share Posted September 16, 2008 Jason Campbell has completed deep passes before and has led a game winning drive before. He also came really close to leading us to game winning drives last year against Dallas and Tampa, two playoff teams. I don't know whats your point. Campbell is a good NFL QB. People who hate on him are the ones who want a Brady/Manning type QB. We could be doing a lot worse than JC and restarting with another one only sets this franchise back even farther. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IbleedBnG83 Posted September 16, 2008 Share Posted September 16, 2008 In his NFL career, Jason Campbell hasn't connected deep, not ONCE. How about two years ago against New Orleans. He threw a deep pass to the back of the endzone to Santana...thats the first that comes to mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bang Posted September 16, 2008 Share Posted September 16, 2008 good point, but id say that this was his second clutch performance - the pass to Cooley against Carolina 2 years ago was his first. both, interestingly enough, came on JC audibles. So would you say it's a 'double clutch'? I don't know if we've seen JC turn the corner yet for this offense. That play to Moss showed me that Gibbs had the right idea when drafting him to run his style of offense,, big guy, stands in the pocket, delivers the ball long. (A very Rypien-esque play). Whether he continues to improve in the WCO, I'll just have to wait and see. I know he had a nice game statistically, and he made the big play at the end, but overall I still think he showed that he's not comfortable yet in the new offense. I'm pulling for him, but I don't think he's turned a corner in this offense yet. ~Bang Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IbleedBnG83 Posted September 16, 2008 Share Posted September 16, 2008 For the past two and a half years Jason Campbell football has been, do just enough to keep us in the game and find a way to lose late. Not so anymore. You see, for young QB's that have made the mistakes Jason has in the fourth quarters of years past, they start to doubt if they are ever going to be able to do it Now when the situation arises again, Jason is going to believe that he can doi it because he already has done it. You can blame Gibbs for that. He has never shown as much confidence as Zorn has in him. I think it is huge what Zorn is doign for JC's mindset. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SKINSFAN87 Posted September 16, 2008 Share Posted September 16, 2008 I agree with your post, I think that this performance should boost Jason Campbell's confidence and he'll hopefully have more productive games for us in the near future. :dallasuck:eaglesuck:gaintsuck:helmet: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prufRock Posted September 16, 2008 Share Posted September 16, 2008 So would you say it's a 'double clutch'? I don't know if we've seen JC turn the corner yet for this offense. That play to Moss showed me that Gibbs had the right idea when drafting him to run his style of offense,, big guy, stands in the pocket, delivers the ball long. (A very Rypien-esque play). Whether he continues to improve in the WCO, I'll just have to wait and see. I know he had a nice game statistically, and he made the big play at the end, but overall I still think he showed that he's not comfortable yet in the new offense. I'm pulling for him, but I don't think he's turned a corner in this offense yet. ~Bang I thought generally speaking, even without the benefit of the long pass to Moss, Campbell looked better on Sunday. He was comfortable, went through his progressions and did a relatively good job of getting rid of the ball on time. He had a couple of missed opportunities, but for the most part, he seemed to play in rhythm and execute the offense well. In a way, the bomb to Moss raises the bar for him. I would have been satisfied just to see him make the incremental improvement evident in the first three quarters of the game. Now, we may be expecting these comeback wins every week, which isn't realistic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[[ghost]] Posted September 16, 2008 Share Posted September 16, 2008 See what happens when you show patience? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spitfire71 Posted September 16, 2008 Share Posted September 16, 2008 I think, as fans, that we can take this as a building block in Jason Campbell's development. But that game was HUGE for Campbell personally. He didn't light up the board with 5 TDs, but the one that he threw counted, and he had moved us down the field all day. For some reason, we bogged down in the red zone, but that might have been Zorn's insistence upon passing the first three times we were down there. Passing is hard to do in goal line situations with no PA fake because pass defenders have less ground to cover. Everyone's close to the ball. But Campbell took the initiative in asking for the ball more. Looks like Campbell's finally started to get that big "C", and take initiative as the leader of that offense. (http://nfl.fanhouse.com/2008/09/15/jason-campbell-to-jim-zorn-trust-me-and-redskins-respond/) That win was big for our whole team BECAUSE it may have been in terms of the makeup, the biggest win and the biggest single play of Campbell's career. How fitting that it came at home, where certain fans who are less patient and less intelligent about how the game works were willing to drop him after 22 Starts. That's a season and a half worth of starts, people. The MAJORITY of starting quarterbacks get a lot longer than that to prove themselves, no matter what the circumstances. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheItalianStallion Posted September 16, 2008 Share Posted September 16, 2008 In his NFL career, Jason Campbell hasn't connected deep, not ONCE. Remember last year MNF, in Philly? Jason Campbell overthrew a WIDE open Santana Moss for a game clincher. What about week one where he hesitated and the defender proke up the pass? Not Sunday, he delivered an almost perfect ball to a wide open Santana Moss.The deep balls against Philly & NYJ last year were, to my recollection, the ONLY deep balls that he has missed. There were some other incompletions due to the receiver simply not catching the ball, but he most certainly has completed numerous deep balls. He completed several deep ones against Miami, he completed one against NO in 2006, against Dallas last year (Santana's one-handed grab), the ones to Thrash at home against Philly last year, hell there was a completed one to Moss earlier in the Monday Night game where he missed him. He has connected with Cooley on several as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chanhillbilly Posted September 16, 2008 Share Posted September 16, 2008 Might just be his coming out party. Much like game 2 last year was for Eli (not that I can give that dork credit for anything). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Titaw Posted September 16, 2008 Author Share Posted September 16, 2008 I may have wanted to word the deep pass differently. Most of JC's deep passes have bee inaccurate. The one to Cooley against the Panthers wasn't a deep ball it was a short pass that Cooley took yard. The one against the Saints was something like a 20-30 yard strike, more intermediate than deep. Santana's one hander was a great adjustment by tana. What was meant by it was that Campbell tends to miss the sure-fire 6, wide open deep ball. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fifty Gut Posted September 16, 2008 Share Posted September 16, 2008 I remember when Eli had a similar game against Denver at home in which he "turned the corner." Yet there was still many growing pains ahead before he got to where he's at today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[[ghost]] Posted September 16, 2008 Share Posted September 16, 2008 By Deep Balls, I think the OP is implying 60+ Yard TOUCHDOWN passes. It wasn't uncommon to throw for 30+ yards and get big chucks (hell, ARE did this 3 times on opening day last season), but to see him finally go the distance from inside his 40, its comforting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BG Posted September 16, 2008 Share Posted September 16, 2008 He needs to string a few of these together before we can say he's turned a corner or taken that next step. I do agree with you that it's pretty big for him. The Carolina game aside (had TONS of help), he's mostly choked in the 4th quarter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Titaw Posted September 16, 2008 Author Share Posted September 16, 2008 ];5547254']By Deep Balls' date=' I think the OP is implying 60+ Yard TOUCHDOWN passes. It wasn't uncommon to throw for 30+ yards and get big chucks (hell, ARE did this 3 times on opening day last season), but to see him finally go the distance from inside his 40, its comforting.[/quote']Thanks ghost. I'm glad somebody got the jist of what I was saying. I'd even go as far as saying 50+ yard TOUCHDOWNS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCalSkins Posted September 16, 2008 Share Posted September 16, 2008 When he leads the team to wins against division teams consistently, that is when he has turned the corner. Wins against Detroit, Miami, the Jets and possibly the Saints based on how they finish don't mean that much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Titaw Posted September 16, 2008 Author Share Posted September 16, 2008 He needs to string a few of these together before we can say he's turned a corner or taken that next step. I do agree with you that it's pretty big for him. The Carolina game aside (had TONS of help), he's mostly choked in the 4th quarter. Which is why I prefaced turning the corner with "may". I think he took 2 leaps and bounds forward Sunday. Now he needs to do like you said and string a few performances together. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ttr77 Posted September 16, 2008 Share Posted September 16, 2008 I hope he turned a corner, but I remember thinking the same thing after the Detroit game last year. Lets hope he can show more consistency on a week to week basis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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