Stophovr6 Posted June 20, 2008 Share Posted June 20, 2008 MOUNT VERNON, Ohio (AP) - A public school teacher preached his Christian beliefs despite complaints by other teachers and administrators and used a device to burn the image of a cross on students' arms, according to a report by independent investigators. Mount Vernon Middle School teacher John Freshwater also taught creationism in his science class and was insubordinate in failing to remove a Bible and other religious materials from his classroom, the report said. School board members were scheduled to meet Friday afternoon to discuss the findings by consulting firm H.R. On Call Inc., hired by the district to investigate. The report was released Thursday. School Superintendent Stephen Short wouldn't comment on the report before Friday's meeting, his office said. A message seeking comment was left for Freshwater's attorney, Roger Weaver. The report comes one week after a family filed a federal lawsuit in Columbus against Freshwater and the school district, saying Freshwater burned a cross on their child's arm that remained for three or four weeks. Freshwater's friend Dave Daubenmire defended him. "With the exception of the cross-burning episode ... I believe John Freshwater is teaching the values of the parents in the Mount Vernon school district," he told The Columbus Dispatch in a story published Friday. Several students interviewed by investigators described Freshwater, who has been employed by the school district for 21 years, as a great guy. Click on link for more: http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D91DVT200&show_article=1 Freshwater claims it's an x. What do you guys think? Looks like a cross to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goaldeje Posted June 20, 2008 Share Posted June 20, 2008 Freshwater claims it's an x. What do you guys think? Looks like a cross to me. Does it matter? Burning is pretty much a no-no, if I recall my days in school at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GibbsFactor Posted June 20, 2008 Share Posted June 20, 2008 I hope the family takes that board to the cleaners. People like that teacher need to be singled out more efficiently. I think it's past the time that teachers get decent raises, but only after passing yearly psych tests. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stophovr6 Posted June 20, 2008 Author Share Posted June 20, 2008 Does it matter? Burning is pretty much a no-no, if I recall my days in school at all. I think it matters a little bit. If you burnt my child I'd be pissed, if you burnt a religious symbol onto my child i'd be exponentialy pissed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry Posted June 20, 2008 Share Posted June 20, 2008 I think it was discussed here a month or two ago. (Surely there can't be two teachers doing this.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
herrmag Posted June 20, 2008 Share Posted June 20, 2008 Does it matter? Burning is pretty much a no-no, if I recall my days in school at all. I agree. This whacko should have been fired years ago. My question, however, is did the kids allow him to burn them (e.g. freely offer their arms), or did he coerce them into doing it? I'm sure it's in the article, but I'm very lazy today. :yawnee: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corcaigh Posted June 20, 2008 Share Posted June 20, 2008 I think it was discussed here a month or two ago. (Surely there can't be two teachers doing this.) Same story - I think it is that the case is headed to court now. Before it was about his suspension, which was originally claimed to be just because he had a bible in the classroom. Preaching creationism and burning crosses into kids was conveniently left out of the original story. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goaldeje Posted June 20, 2008 Share Posted June 20, 2008 I think it matters a little bit. If you burnt my child I'd be pissed, if you burnt a religious symbol onto my child i'd be exponentialy pissed. I realize I'm a Christian, which lends bias to my statement, but I think I would be more upset about my child's health/safety than what specifically was being burned into their body. I'd be pissed if it was a cross, and pissed if it was a Buddhist symbol or something. I do see your point however, in that if it were a Satanic symbol, I suppose I would be super pissed. Still, I would like to think I'd be more upset about the action than the content. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stophovr6 Posted June 20, 2008 Author Share Posted June 20, 2008 I think it was discussed here a month or two ago. (Surely there can't be two teachers doing this.) Found this: http://www.extremeskins.com/forums/showthread.php?t=244589&page=1&pp=15 Doesn't mention burning kids. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stophovr6 Posted June 20, 2008 Author Share Posted June 20, 2008 I realize I'm a Christian, which lends bias to my statement, but I think I would be more upset about my child's health/safety than what specifically was being burned into their body. I'd be pissed if it was a cross, and pissed if it was a Buddhist symbol or something. I do see your point however, in that if it were a Satanic symbol, I suppose I would be super pissed. Still, I would like to think I'd be more upset about the action than the content. Maybe you're a better person than me. I just know I'd be livid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bang Posted June 20, 2008 Share Posted June 20, 2008 Nothing a well placed bullet can't solve. ~Bang BANG!BANG! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Sisko Posted June 20, 2008 Share Posted June 20, 2008 But it's a religion of peace. -Sarge Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corcaigh Posted June 20, 2008 Share Posted June 20, 2008 Found this:http://www.extremeskins.com/forums/showthread.php?t=244589&page=1&pp=15 Doesn't mention burning kids. Check again: http://www.extremeskins.com/forums/showpost.php?p=5113590&postcount=84 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stophovr6 Posted June 20, 2008 Author Share Posted June 20, 2008 Check again:http://www.extremeskins.com/forums/showpost.php?p=5113590&postcount=84 Thanks. I guess they can be merged if the mods want. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bang Posted June 20, 2008 Share Posted June 20, 2008 But it's a religion of peace. -Sarge Ba-ZING!! ~Ba-ZANG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry Posted June 20, 2008 Share Posted June 20, 2008 Found this:http://www.extremeskins.com/forums/showthread.php?t=244589&page=1&pp=15 Doesn't mention burning kids. First mentioned in post 84 in that thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ACW Posted June 20, 2008 Share Posted June 20, 2008 Freshwater's friend Dave Daubenmire defended him. "With the exception of the cross-burning episode ... I believe John Freshwater is teaching the values of the parents in the Mount Vernon school district," he told The Columbus Dispatch in a story published Friday. :doh: And with the exception of the Holocaust and WW2, Hitler was a fine leader :doh: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goaldeje Posted June 20, 2008 Share Posted June 20, 2008 Maybe you're a better person than me. I just know I'd be livid. Duh. I said I was Christian. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joeknows Posted June 22, 2008 Share Posted June 22, 2008 MOUNT VERNON, Ohio — A public school teacher taught creationism in his science class and used a device to burn the image of a cross on students' arms, according to a report by independent investigators. Mount Vernon Middle School teacher John Freshwater was insubordinate in failing to remove a Bible and other religious materials from his classroom and continued to preach his Christian beliefs despite complaints by other teachers and administrators, according to the report released Thursday by consulting firm H.R. On Call Inc. The Mount Vernon school board voted 5-0 Friday to pass a resolution of intent to terminate Freshwater's contract. Board attorney David Millstone says Freshwater is entitled to a hearing to challenge the dismissal. A lawyer for Freshwater says he will request such a hearing. The report, which was conducted by independent investigators, comes one week after a family filed a federal lawsuit in Columbus against Freshwater and the school district, saying Freshwater burned a cross on their child's arm and that a burn mark remained for three or four weeks. http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,369549,00.html what was this guy thinking? you cant teach religion in public school despite whether creationism is part of the cirriculum or not. then to go and leave a visible mark on the kids too? what a dummy! ..... i know the marks dont seem to be that big of a deal and certainly not permanent..... but i think that was a bit ballsy............ to me it doesnt look like a cross .....but i cant tell from the pic...... but why even skirt the chance of this mess? what a dumb dummy..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kurd Cudins Posted June 22, 2008 Share Posted June 22, 2008 If someone did that to my child I would kill them. It's really that simple. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joeknows Posted June 22, 2008 Share Posted June 22, 2008 yup and it turns out he wasnt even suppose to be teaching creationism......... now that i have seen it on tv it is definately a cross......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveFromYellowstone Posted June 22, 2008 Share Posted June 22, 2008 Why someone would do that is beyond me. You can't defend that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rincewind Posted June 22, 2008 Share Posted June 22, 2008 Okay, the thread title is very confusing/misleading. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joeknows Posted June 22, 2008 Share Posted June 22, 2008 well, i figured teacher burns crosses onto childrens arms while teaching creationism illegally wouldnt fit sorry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rincewind Posted June 22, 2008 Share Posted June 22, 2008 well, i figured teacher burns crosses onto childrens arms while teaching creationism illegally wouldnt fit sorry You're supposed to use the story's title, actually. But to say he was burning crosses is VERY different than burning crosses into the skin. See the difference? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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