J.Campbell17 Posted May 10, 2008 Share Posted May 10, 2008 Alright, Daniels probably has 1 or 2 years left on him. After he retires, Who would you want to see replacing Daniels? Chris Wilson, Rob Jackson, or Alex Buzbee? Personally, I see potetional in Wilson and Buzbee. Jackson would be good a good backup to whoever wins starter in a year or so. Wilson did a good job in Week 17 against the Cowboys by sacking Romo sits to pee. Buzbee had a total of 27.5 sacks at Georgetown, third in history. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teller Posted May 10, 2008 Share Posted May 10, 2008 The first time I saw Chris Wilson, I turned to HOF44 and said, "Damn, I don't know who that kid is, but he's going to be a stud." He's quick, he's got a few good moves, and he's only going to get better with NFL experience and tutelege from Coach Blache. Not only that, but he's got a terrific motor, and the type of frame that will allow him to gain 15 pounds or so to aid in run stopping, without losing much speed. I really think he's the future there. Good on you for realizing that Daniels isn't done. It's funny. Everytime I seem to think, "OK, Big #93 is getting old, time to go in a different direction," he goes out and plays his butt off. I think a rotation between him and Wilson this year will be great for us; especially if we use Wilson as a pass-rush specialist, kind of like we did Ken Harvey at times. BTW, welcome to the board, 17. And thanks for starting a relevant thread with a good opinion and some supporting facts. Well done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.Campbell17 Posted May 10, 2008 Author Share Posted May 10, 2008 The first time I saw Chris Wilson, I turned to HOF44 and said, "Damn, I don't know who that kid is, but he's going to be a stud."He's quick, he's got a few good moves, and he's only going to get better with NFL experience and tutelege from Coach Blache. Not only that, but he's got a terrific motor, and the type of frame that will allow him to gain 15 pounds or so to aid in run stopping, without losing much speed. I really think he's the future there. Good on you for realizing that Daniels isn't done. It's funny. Everytime I seem to think, "OK, Big #93 is getting old, time to go in a different direction," he goes out and plays his butt off. I think a rotation between him and Wilson this year will be great for us; especially if we use Wilson as a pass-rush specialist, kind of like we did Ken Harvey at times. BTW, welcome to the board, 17. And thanks for starting a relevant thread with a good opinion and some supporting facts. Well done. Thanks I agree with you on Wilson there. Whenever we need a big 3'rd down stop we could rotate between Daniels and Wilson to use Wilson as a pass- rushing specialist. It would also be excellent experience for Wilson as Coach Blache would do a great job devoloping someone with already good talent. It's like Coach Zorn working with Campbell, except he is starting. Just imagine in the future, Wilson and Carter on the same down...Deadly is probably all I can say. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teller Posted May 10, 2008 Share Posted May 10, 2008 Thanks I agree with you on Wilson there. Whenever we need a big 3'rd down stop we could rotate between Daniels and Wilson to use Wilson as a pass- rushing specialist. It would also be excellent experience for Wilson as Coach Blache would do a great job devoloping someone with already good talent. It's like Coach Zorn working with Campbell, except he is starting. Just imagine in the future, Wilson and Carter on the same down...Deadly is probably all I can say. Man it sure would be nice to get back to the days of having two great edge rushers. I don't think we'll ever see a Mann and Manley again, but to have two guys teams have to be concerned about would be a nice change. And the youth movement is one of the things that I really like about this team. Every place we've got an aging vet, it seems we've got a young guy ready to step in and perform when the guy in front of him hangs it up. IMO, Wilson will step in when Daniels is ready to call it quits. Though like we've both said, Daniels still has plenty of gas in the tank for a couple of years. Likewise, when Fletch retires, H.B. Blades is going to step in there without missing a beat. He's a very similar player to Fletcher in both build and style of play, and I think we'll be just fine. On the other side, Heyer is more than capable of being the guy at RT when Jansen's done. Corner's probably the only place we don't have a guy ready to step in for an older player (Springs.) And I fully expect we'll address that in next year's draft. IMO, this team's future is pretty bright. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morneblade Posted May 10, 2008 Share Posted May 10, 2008 Voted high draft pick in 09', asuming we actually use one on a DE. Which would be a huge stretch at this point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cober Posted May 10, 2008 Share Posted May 10, 2008 From Mini camp i am pretty sure Wilson listed himself as 249 pounds and Buzbee said he now weighs 275. Anyway it all depends on how they preform in the preseason as both players might not even make the roster if they dont do something on the field. Wilson is still purely a pass rusher at 249 considering he will probly drop a couple after the workouts. He still weighs a lot less then Carter who is one the smaller ends in the league. Anyway i wish all the best to our young ends and hope they make the roster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisc0015 Posted May 10, 2008 Share Posted May 10, 2008 Anyone who will be more productive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimster Posted May 10, 2008 Share Posted May 10, 2008 From Mini camp i am pretty sure Wilson listed himself as 249 pounds and Buzbee said he now weighs 275. Anyway it all depends on how they preform in the preseason as both players might not even make the roster if they dont do something on the field. Wilson is still purely a pass rusher at 249 considering he will probly drop a couple after the workouts. He is still weighs a lot less then Carter who is one the smaller ends in the league. Anyway i wish all the best to our young ends and hope they make the roster. I was just about to mention that Buzbee looks like he has the frame to be an every down player, where Wilson might end up being a Kalu or Chris Clemons type that comes in on passing situations. Either way, I'd love to see us be able to develop these guys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimbo Posted May 10, 2008 Share Posted May 10, 2008 Jason Taylor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.Campbell17 Posted May 10, 2008 Author Share Posted May 10, 2008 Jason Taylor You're not serious are you? :doh: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fifty Gut Posted May 10, 2008 Share Posted May 10, 2008 Anyone who will be more productive. Daniels has been very productive. Just not by your "sacks are all that count" standards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IbleedBnG83 Posted May 10, 2008 Share Posted May 10, 2008 God I hope not! I think the idea of moving Daniels to DT on obvious passing situations is an awesome idea. I heard it thrown around on the Redskins website. He was in lifting competition this offseason which means he is STRONG enough to bang with the center and gaurds. Chris Wilson showed he can be very productive. Depending on how well that works, we maybe able to hold of another year on DE and go with a DT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laxpunk2006 Posted May 10, 2008 Share Posted May 10, 2008 As it stands now I would love to see Wilson develop into a force at LDE. Realisitcally, I think he's going to be a situational pass rusher, much like Robert Mathis was earlier in his career. If it's obvious after this season that third downs are his ceiling, then it would be time to invest a high round draft pick in an every down end. I would have loved Merling this year but what can you do, I never expected Thomas to be there. I didn't realize Buzbee was 270+. For whatever reason I was always under the impression he was just a pass rusher as well. I remember a small fuss being made about him around this time last year, so it will be interesting to see if he cracks the roster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skinfan2k Posted May 10, 2008 Share Posted May 10, 2008 Neither. I firmly believe that Wilson will remain as a 3rd down rusher and a backup DE. We will go this year with daniels and next year use the draft or free agency to pick up a legit DE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laxpunk2006 Posted May 10, 2008 Share Posted May 10, 2008 Daniels has been very productive. Just not by your "sacks are all that count" standards. It's strange that so few can see this. Daniels comes in and dominates in the run game, and in passing situations Wilson comes in and gets to the player. Sure it would be nice to save a roster spot and have one guy do it all but I'd say the results are there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wyndorf25 Posted May 10, 2008 Share Posted May 10, 2008 I am having such a hard time taking anyone named 'Buzbee' seriously. I truly hope he turns out to be a good player but until I see him make some plays on Sundays, I cant even imagine him becoming a threat to opponents...and yes, I know that is shallow thinking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xero21 Posted May 10, 2008 Share Posted May 10, 2008 I'd like to see Evans have a shot before I decided who would replace Daniels. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morneblade Posted May 10, 2008 Share Posted May 10, 2008 It's strange that so few can see this. Daniels comes in and dominates in the run game, and in passing situations Wilson comes in and gets to the player. Sure it would be nice to save a roster spot and have one guy do it all but I'd say the results are there. Daneils has not been dominating....ever. He was a good run DE 4-6 years ago and every blue moon would flash a pash rush. Not so much anymore. It's ok though, he's 35 and well past his prime. We need to find a younger player that can play every down and will be able to play in the league for many years to come. Here is Irony for you. Here and there, people throw out Jason Taylor's name. And they immediately get hazed for it. "He's ancient". And 2 years younger than Daniels. And 1 year removed from being named MVP. And has been HUGELY more productive than Daneils ever was. Taylors' worst year was better than Daniels' best year. But he sucks. :doh: Do I think we should go after Taylor? No, simply because he IS at the end of his career and he wouldnt be worth the price it would take to get him for a couple of years. But to say that we dont need to upgrade the position is not seeing things as they are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackest Eyes Posted May 10, 2008 Share Posted May 10, 2008 I liked what I saw out of Chris Wilson this past season. Like HH said, hopefully he can bulk up 15 lbs or so without losing speed so he is better at stopping the run. It would be awesome to get some d-line pressure on the outside this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morneblade Posted May 10, 2008 Share Posted May 10, 2008 I liked what I saw out of Chris Wilson this past season. Like HH said, hopefully he can bulk up 15 lbs or so without losing speed so he is better at stopping the run. It would be awesome to get some d-line pressure on the outside this year. He;s listed at 246, so 20 lbs would be nicer. But that would still make him a light DE. I'm not sure he can be a every down DE really. I do like him in obvious passing sitiuations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jp redskin Posted May 10, 2008 Share Posted May 10, 2008 K.C. tryed to sign Buzbee from our practice squad and we manned up and signed him to the active roster, so we must see something in him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KNGwithOUTaCrwN Posted May 10, 2008 Share Posted May 10, 2008 The first time I saw Chris Wilson, I turned to HOF44 and said, "Damn, I don't know who that kid is, but he's going to be a stud."He's quick, he's got a few good moves, and he's only going to get better with NFL experience and tutelege from Coach Blache. Not only that, but he's got a terrific motor, and the type of frame that will allow him to gain 15 pounds or so to aid in run stopping, without losing much speed. I really think he's the future there. Good on you for realizing that Daniels isn't done. It's funny. Everytime I seem to think, "OK, Big #93 is getting old, time to go in a different direction," he goes out and plays his butt off. I think a rotation between him and Wilson this year will be great for us; especially if we use Wilson as a pass-rush specialist, kind of like we did Ken Harvey at times. BTW, welcome to the board, 17. And thanks for starting a relevant thread with a good opinion and some supporting facts. Well done. that would be good to use a rotation. keeping the vet in would be an advantage with his experience and putting in the newer guy would help him gain experience and excel as he fights for a starting job.it would also keep them "fresh" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morneblade Posted May 10, 2008 Share Posted May 10, 2008 K.C. tryed to sign Buzbee from our practice squad and we manned up and signed him to the active roster, so we must see something in him. Maybe, or maybe we dont have anyone at all to play the position. Have you looked at our depth chart? For Defensive End it looks like this before signing Buzzbee: Chris Wilson, Demetric Evans. "Thin" comes to mind. Paper thin. Don't read too much into that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Brown Posted May 10, 2008 Share Posted May 10, 2008 I don't think wilson will ever be an every down DE. I think he truly belongs in a 3-4 defense on the outside, He's just too small. I think for this year on obvious passing downs we throw wilson at DE and move Daniels inside to DT. I think Daniels would be good in there on obvious passing downs; He's quicker than the other DT's, plus he packed on 20 lbs. of muscle this offseason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GURU Posted May 10, 2008 Share Posted May 10, 2008 He;s listed at 246, so 20 lbs would be nicer. But that would still make him a light DE. I'm not sure he can be a every down DE really. I do like him in obvious passing sitiuations. The Colt's Robert Mathis has started the past two seasons at left defensive end at less than 245lbs. A liability? He's led the team in sacks 2 out of the 3 past years. This past season, their defense ranked 15th overall in rushing yards against, but they ranked 1st in the league in points against. Pick your poison. Rotating defensive ends depending on down and distance telegraphs what your trying to do and takes away a measure of deception. With so many teams passing the ball 40-50 times a game and with three-step quarterback drops and spread formations on just about any down, I'd be awfully tempted to get my best pass rushers out on the field as much as possible. What's the point of being stout against the run when the opponent's O-linemen are in pass pro stance 75% of the time? If the Skins continue their present rotation of Daniels on possible running downs and Wilson on obvious passing downs, opponents are going to just start spreading the field and passing every time they see Daniels in the game. I'm actually a fan of Phillip Daniels, but I'm skeptical as to whether or not his extra weight and strength is going to translate into more pass rush pressure from the edge. He might be better rushing from the tackle position. Ultimately, if the Skins are playing a team you know is going to run the ball a ton of times, Daniels is the guy who should start and play a lot. But if you know you're going to play a team that's going to throw the ball a lot more, I'm going with Wilson on just about every down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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