Since when does trash talker=team cancer???

[DirtySkin21]

And you my friend, will one day be an "elder Skins fan" and will have similar feelings about something else.

But, I think you make a very good and interesting point. Trash talk doesn't bother me as much as the gyrations and dancing on the field after routine plays does. I've always found Chad Johnson's antics to be funny, creative, and on a certain level, fairly intellectual. I even thought TO was pretty creative until he went a little too far (Sharpie) and everyone else tried to one up each other. Like most things in life, if you give an inch, they'll take a mile (then screw it up for everyone).

Would I prefer everyone treat the game like Riggo, Monk, Barry Sanders, Ronnie Lott, and today, Marvin Harrison? Yeah, I would. But I understand there is a new generation. But don't get too comfortable with the style of your generation, because something else will take it's place soon enough (maybe even a reverting to Old School ways!).

Hail,

H

good reply.:applause:

[bu7ch]

what make the WR coach any greater? is he allowed to say whatever he wants to a grown man? or whatever happend? How do you know that WR coach wasnt the team cancer? and he wsa the one causing the problem?

LOL...you're showing your ignorance on the topic...Hue Jackson was approached to come back to the Bengals for '08. So much for that theory.

[Bang]

Yes but look at the teams they went too.

Moss to NE with Brady throwing to him and Welker and Stallworth around him. Moss didn't want to go anywhere but NE and he finally got on a winning team.

T.O. Almost the same deal. He instatly after their SB season developed a hatred with McNabb and the Eagles talking out of the locker room. So he gets picked up by Dallas, a team that has been on the winning side of the ball with him. So he's happy.

I say look at the pattern. Moss and T.O. both went to teams that had success as soon as they arrived. NE and the 'Boys both went into the playoffs and showed season dominance. Both WR's were happy that they were finally on winning teams and successfull ones at that.

Now lets say CJ goes to the 'Skins and they have a so so season 7-9/8-8/9-7. Would he be "happy" that he got off the horrible Cinci team? Or would he start raising the same s*&^ again. "Oh I'm old, I need to get on a winning team that will get me a ring" "Wha wha wha wha wha!"

Let's see.

Johnson's been in the NFL for 7 years. In that time he's only been a Bengal. In that time they've had one winning season, and two .500 seasons. Every other season they finished dead last.

So, this year he makes a little noise, and he's a cancer that can't handle losing?

Dude. He's in Cincinnati. "Can You Handle Losing" is question number ONE on their application.

Aside from his relatively minor griping, something like 15 Bengals have been arrested in the last 2 years, and the entire team is dysfunctional.

Maybe he's just tired of a locker room that resembles City Lockup. Maybe he sees that Marvin Lewis has zero control over this team, the owner is a useless hunk of dung that won't / can't do anything about it and after doing his hardest to help that team, he wants out.

Based on his own impeccable work ethic, his own desire to be the best at what he does thru that hard work, he deserves the benefit of the doubt.

I think he's worth looking into.

His age is a non-factor. 30 is not old in the NFL any more. As long as he suffers no serious injuries, a guy who conditions like CJ can play another 5 or more years easily. Besides, he's a year younger than Randy Moss. And as all can see, Moss is practically a cripple these days he's so ancient. Nothing but dust and bones running around out there.

~Bang

[TGI Jef]

what make the WR coach any greater? is he allowed to say whatever he wants to a grown man? or whatever happend? How do you know that WR coach wasnt the team cancer? and he wsa the one causing the problem? A team cancer is someone like pacman jones or chris henry because they cause more problems then they are worth and aren't producing anything.

Just becuase Chad Johnson got into a arguement/fight with a WR coach he's a cancer?

No, im sorry.

its not like coaches are going up to these guys and saying 'im going to go out with your mom' or 'i could kick your ass'

they are talking about football. and yes, a coach can tell a player anything he wants about football.

i think we have different definitions of cancer. i think of a cancer as someone who is bad for the team in the locker room and divides the team during hte week.

to you a team cancer someone who doesnt have good games while they misbehave off the field? that can indirectly divide the team, but how is someone like that more of a 'cancer' than someone who DIRECTLY HURTS THE TEAM FROM THE INSIDE OUT?

[Bang]

LOL...you're showing your ignorance on the topic...Hue Jackson was approached to come back to the Bengals for '08. So much for that theory.

One never knows.

The Bengals are not known for making good decisions.

Ever.

~Bang

[Hitman#21]

One never knows.

The Bengals are not known for making good decisions.

Ever.

~Bang

Yes, on and off the field...

[bu7ch]

One never knows.

The Bengals are not known for making good decisions.

Ever.

~Bang

Oh no doubt. I won't defend the organization; I like watching Chad play but I just don't want to invest massively (via picks and cash) into his personality. He's fine as long as he gets the ball and they're winning. Once either runs dry Chad turns into a whiner. All of that is evidenced by no teammates publicly supporting him. When LT was hurt in the playoffs damn near his whole team spoke out in his favor. You're not seeing that type of loyalty to Chad from his team.

[DarrellsMyHero28]

If the Redskins had the Bengals talent (on offense), and managed to screw up every year it would be interesting to see how the team characters like Portis/Randle El/Smoot reacted.

I'm not suggesting they'd be a team cancer, but I think Bang has a point-our team doesn't have the arrest issues and the Bengals FO might actually be worse than ours, Chad has a right to complain. Lewis can't control the team, they let down their fans year after year etc. I don't have an issue with Johnson, I really think that a change of scenery would help him out.

[DirtySkin21]

LOL...you're showing your ignorance on the topic...Hue Jackson was approached to come back to the Bengals for '08. So much for that theory.

showing my ignorance? SO just because he was invited back means chad johnson was automatically at fault? give me a break

was anyone there that knows what it was about and know both sides of the story?

[Santana_Fan]

Chad Johnson is not a cancer. Peyton Manning called his kicker a drunk idiot in an interview. Have anybody ever heard Chad Johnson call any of his teammates idiots?? I think not.

[DirtySkin21]

If the Redskins had the Bengals talent (on offense), and managed to screw up every year it would be interesting to see how the team characters like Portis/Randle El/Smoot reacted.

I'm not suggesting they'd be a team cancer, but I think Bang has a point-our team doesn't have the arrest issues and the Bengals FO might actually be worse than ours, Chad has a right to complain. Lewis can't control the team, they let down their fans year after year etc. I don't have an issue with Johnson, I really think that a change of scenery would help him out.

THANK YOU, this is my point.. this is competitive sports and theres lots of money and emotions in this game... plus they are all grown men

but one arguement blown out of porportion that none of us can say for sure what really happend. Its just automatically Chads fault. I dont see the Bengals dangling him out there on a trade I see HIM not wanting to go back to the team.

[DirtySkin21]

youre right - i have never been the very best in the game and had my coach talking ****.

but i have been on different playing fields competing my heart out and when a coach has yelled at me i took it like a good teammate is supposed to. i listened and tried to improve. was i pissed sometimes at it? of course. but you have to channel that energy onto the field. anything else is unnacceptable.

you've never experienced a coach playing favorites and being unfair too?

I have and Im not gonna take that crap an I wouldnt expect a grown man playing his careerin the NFL to either.

you dont just automatically earn respect because you are a coach.

This is little bows looking up to their elders, these are all grown men on a team. They are all responsible for their actions. But that hardly makes Chad Johnson a cancer.

A cancer kills, All chad johnson does is make plays and tries to help hs team.

[PCS]

"Team cancer" is an overused term and one too quickly attached to players sometimes. Gary Clark and Wilbur Marshall could have been labeled as such for their behavior at times under such guidelines. And let's keep in mind that trash talking has been around for far longer than most of us here. And in the old days, guys would call other teams players at their hotel. Just to talk trash the night before a game. Now that's trash talking.

In this case, I'm unsure of how to feel about Chad because frankly, I'm not one to believe alot of the stuff that is reported out there. Being that I'm not a "fan" of Chad one way or the other, I'm not going to pass judgement on him based simply on that stuff. However, I won't necessarily ignore it either simply because I think he's very good reciever with a great work ethic. Not that it's up to me one way or the other. He's someone I would keep a cautious eye on. Just in case.

[bu7ch]

showing my ignorance? SO just because he was invited back means chad johnson was automatically at fault? give me a break

Yes, you're lack of knowledge of Chad, the Bengals and the organization. What about his fake injury against the Browns, his wrong routes that were run and then yelled at Carson, alligator arms over the middle, stepping out of bounds so as not to get hit on 4th down (short of the first and trailing), his sitting and pouting after fumbling (it was returned for a large gain)....You keep coming up with excuses as to why he's so great yet *nobody* is even taking his side in Cincy, except TJ and Carson. Why hasn't teammates come out to support him? Answer that.

was anyone there that knows what it was about and know both sides of the story?

Yup, but you'll never hear the whole story because anything given to the beat writers were given anonymously and a coach was fired because he leaked the info.

[DirtySkin21]

"Team cancer" is an overused term and one too quickly attached to players sometimes. Gary Clark and Wilbur Marshall could have been labeled as such for their behavior at times. And let's keep in mind that trash talking has been around for far longer than most of us here. And in the old days, guys would call other teams players at their hotel. Just to talk trash the night before a game. Now that's trash talking.

In this case, I'm unsure of how to feel about Chad because frankly, I'm not one to believe alot of the stuff that is reported out there. Being that I'm not a "fan" of Chad one way or the other, I'm not going to pass judgement on him based simply on that stuff. However, I won't necessarily ignore it either simply because I think he's very good reciever with a great work ethic. Not that it's up to me one way or the other. He's someone I would keep a cautious eye on. Just in case.

you're so much better at me at translating your feelings into words.

That's basically my point, all these people act like they know chad personally and they have been on the bengals for the last 10 years.

he's a great receiver and always make plays and has been on the freakin bengals, who have always sucked and he's been there for 7 years and this is the first you here of him wanting out and he's being a called a cancer?? give me a break...

I guess im just showing my ignorance on this subject.. but i will tell you what i have played sports since i was 4 and I will respect anyone who earns my respect. Just because you are labeled a coach doesnt automatically mean you earned my respect. Not everyone is fair, including coaches so you can never pass judgement unless you know the whole story.

This is also these mens careers, their trade, you better believe they are passionate about winning, and want to win.

the day a player on the redskins is okay with losing is the day i want him off the team.

[Pimpey42000]

Johnson is a very special player he does things that great recievers do, perenially perform well. If Johnson wants out of Cincy, why blame the guy? Our football players are probably one of the most tight knit groups in the NFL, they lost a close friend in Sean Taylor and were able to pull together and make it in the playoffs.

Sounds to me he wants to start a new chapter of his football career by avoiding the problems in Cincy. So if your Snyder you have to choose wisely.

[JimmyConway]

Trash talking DOESN'T = team cancer. Bashing anybody within the organization is sign of a team cancer. Taking out frustrations and gripes through the media is a sign of a team cancer. Park City is right about people using the term "team cancer" a little too loosely. I don't even think the league has too many of them now.

[tml6157]

i thought chad johnson was the guy who makes game changing plays, had had over 1000 yards every season hes ever started, and has never missed an nfl game. or is that another guy im thinking of. help me out here.

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I'm so tired of hearing the chad Johnson is a cancer crap! If we don't get him I hope he goes to a team that he can destroy us. Maybe then we will finally learn that we need playmakers not suspect talent!!!

[dewyane]

A team cancer is someone who you don't want deteriorating your club. CJ is one of those guys. Who want a receiver that handles himself like that. You can live with guys like that on defense but on offense (the precision side of the game) reactions are to be in unison not disorderly. That guy is definitely disorderly. The reason so many of us older generation guys don't like "cancers" is because we remember all those trophies being won by "team unison" and not individually. Riggo was not a cancer ... he was a hog. Smoot is not a cancer...he is a team player. Johnson direct attention towards Johnson ..not the bungles. Motive is the key to defining a cancer not production.

[NavyDave]

Why is generation Ipod on Chad Johnson's Johnson? He is not a Redskin and hopefully he wont become one.

Our money in free agency and the draft should go toward the Lines, kicking the price for Asante Samuels up so the iggles (who will sign him) agree to that 80 million mark as the last CB got last year and a solid big (6'2 or bigger) receiver

[[[ghost]]]

Yes, you're lack of knowledge of Chad, the Bengals and the organization. What about his fake injury against the Browns, his wrong routes that were run and then yelled at Carson, alligator arms over the middle, stepping out of bounds so as not to get hit on 4th down (short of the first and trailing), his sitting and pouting after fumbling (it was returned for a large gain)....You keep coming up with excuses as to why he's so great yet *nobody* is even taking his side in Cincy, except TJ and Carson. Why hasn't teammates come out to support him? Answer that.

And Im sure you are far more knowledgable on that subject than the rest of us.

That post would be much more informative if it wasnt all a complete lie.

And for the last time, Its a well known fact that both Carson and CJ regularly verbally attack each other. Its convenient that you left out the fact that both have already come up and publicly state that they do it to bring out the best in each other.

You mind providing us proof of him faking an injury, running the wrong route, avoiding a hit on 4th, or sitting and pouting?

if a single Skins reciever did any one of those things, he would have been cut the next day. Your entire post is complete BS.

[[[ghost]]]

Why is generation Ipod on Chad Johnson's Johnson? He is not a Redskin and hopefully he wont become one.

Our money in free agency and the draft should go toward the Lines, kicking the price for Asante Samuels up so the iggles (who will sign him) agree to that 80 million mark as the last CB got last year and a solid big (6'2 or bigger) receiver

Why is Generation Viagra on every DEs dick?

See how ignorant a person looks when you generalize an Age group, only to follow up with an even more immature comment than most 10 year olds could come up with.

And its iPod. If you're going to be ignorant, do it right.

[Truant]

For me, I'd need to see which players you're thinking of as an example. I didn't think ocho cinco was a cancer until this offseason. ****ing and moaning to the press about being unhappy and betrayed is the type of dissenting talk that I don't care for on my team.

[GURU]

Look, I'm one of the older fans.

I think the term "cancer" is overused and has little meaning. It's just one of those buzzwords thrown around thoughtlessly.

What I DON'T like is players who promote themselves as individuals over the team. Chad Johnson is more than just a trash-talker. Self-expression is one thing. I've never had a problem with that. But Chad Johnson is an exhibitionist who, yes, works his butt off at it. Chad is more interested in his own fortunes than those of his team. If his team is winning, he's the first to take credit. But if the team is struggling, does Chad ever lead the way in finding solutions? Of course not. He's looking for someone else to blame. That's what kind of character he has. He shown that repeatedly -- in interviews, on the field, on the sideline -- he's not a team guy. Chad makes plenty of plays, but in the end, I don't believe that Chad's attitude is conducive to winning football games -- not consistently, not in an atmosphere that is team-first.

I chuckle at all those people who warn us that we better get used to the brash, trash-talking athlete of today. But when I look at the recent list of Super Bowl-winning teams, I'm failing to see teams made up of these uber-jerkweeds. The only guy on the Giants who might qualify (Shockey) was mercifully removed from the arena of play and basically irrelevant to the team's fortunes. How 'bout the Colts? The Steelers? The Patriots? Even the 2002 Bucs tamed the mouthy Keyshawn Johnson, who realized he might win a ring and it didn't have to revolve around him.

This "ME" generation of football players keeps finding that the best TEAMS are getting crowned champions, not the greatest collections of talent, with the biggest contracts, most commercials, and flashiest end zone celebrations.

I'm all for putting the Fun back in NFL. I hated that they banned the Fun Bunch. The sack dances cracked me up. I still chuckle at a truly clever end zone celebration. Heck, I think Steve Smith blows Chad Johnson away at the end zone celebrations, and he talks just as much smack. But Smith just enjoys the game, and he puts the team first.

Being a "team player" still counts in the NFL. Count me as a fan who would like to see that attribute still be one of the main considerations for building my favorite team.

[Bang]

Why hasn't teammates come out to support him? Answer that.

The answer is "who cares".

The team is junk, it's full of some of the lowest character guys in the league. The coach has zero control over any of it.

Over the course of MANY years the Bengals have proven time and again they have absolutely NO idea how to spot talent, keep talent, work with talent, they are a team that has had exactly ONE winning season in the last 17 years.

If they actually endorsed a player, I'd say he was defective.

~Bang