BurgundyBooger Posted January 16, 2008 Share Posted January 16, 2008 I'm not referring to minor cuts that had to be made to get under the cap but a complete personnel/player/philosophical overhaul? Does anyone recall: 1.) The exact year it happened? 2.) How many core players were cut? 3.) How much cap space the 'Skins saved? 4.) What the team record was the following year? Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingfish50 Posted January 16, 2008 Share Posted January 16, 2008 The Spurrier years! We had a whole bunch of over paid talentless players here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FedExFielder Posted January 16, 2008 Share Posted January 16, 2008 I'd say the 2003 to 2004 seasons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cuchip703 Posted January 16, 2008 Share Posted January 16, 2008 I would say it was rebuilt the wrong way the year after we make the playoffs in 1999 by bringing in overpaid, past their prime vets in Carrier, Sanders, Smith, and Jeff George. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oldskool Posted January 16, 2008 Share Posted January 16, 2008 I would say it was rebuilt the wrong way the year after we make the playoffs in 1999 by bringing in overpaid, past their prime vets in Carrier, Sanders, Smith, and Jeff George. It was the 99 season when Dannyboy bought the team and started the rebuilding process from the Norval area. Since then, it's only been at most a half rebuild at any one point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2006Skins Posted January 16, 2008 Share Posted January 16, 2008 It's been more of a build over since Gibbs took over. Not much of a rebuild... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ttr77 Posted January 16, 2008 Share Posted January 16, 2008 I'd say Norv's first year was pretty much a rebuild, and Marty started to do it in his only season. We all know how that turned out... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkinsHokieFan Posted January 16, 2008 Share Posted January 16, 2008 Norv's first year, during the 1994 offseason Lots of older vets cut, and a lot of draft picks and young guys in the lineup Nothing like that has happened here since then Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burgold Posted January 16, 2008 Share Posted January 16, 2008 Two rebuildings. The Marty purge and the Gibbs purge. How many players are left from the Spurrier Years. Four years out and there are very few. That's a rebuilding. Now, it was rebuilt used using parts (Free agents), but Gibbs redesigned the whole team over his first two years basically. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cuchip703 Posted January 16, 2008 Share Posted January 16, 2008 Two rebuildings. The Marty purge and the Gibbs purge.How many players are left from the Spurrier Years. Four years out and there are very few. That's a rebuilding. Now, it was rebuilt used using parts (Free agents), but Gibbs redesigned the whole team over his first two years basically. On offense, just Samuels and Jansen. On Defense, Smoot is return player he may be the only one. No LB's from Spurrier, No DL from Spurrier, and no CB from Spurrier starting. Good point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burgold Posted January 16, 2008 Share Posted January 16, 2008 On offense, just Samuels and Jansen.On Defense, Smoot is return player he may be the only one. No LB's from Spurrier, No DL from Spurrier, and no CB from Spurrier starting. Good point. Thomas and Rock too on offense, but I really can't think of many others. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boy2Der Posted January 16, 2008 Share Posted January 16, 2008 I'd say the first two years of Gibbs II traded Champ Bailey for Clinton Portis. Drafted two pro bowlers in Chris Cooley and Sean Taylor. Signed Shawn Springs, Griffin, Washington. We drafted Jason Campbell, Carlos Rogers, and we traded Coles for Moss. Plus we let go of players like Trung, Kenny Watson, Patrick Ramsey, Lavar, taylor jacobs the numerous other x-gators. If you look at how many players started for Spurrier his last year, few hung on until half way through Gibb II. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TD_washingtonredskins Posted January 16, 2008 Share Posted January 16, 2008 Norv's first year, during the 1994 offseasonLots of older vets cut, and a lot of draft picks and young guys in the lineup Nothing like that has happened here since then Exactly...good post. To add, in all honesty, we made progress under Norv too. He just couldn't get us over the hump. We went from 3-13 to 6-10 to 9-7 in his first 3 years. Very impressive. He just plateaued at that point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thoth Posted January 16, 2008 Share Posted January 16, 2008 When Gibbs came out of retirement. It was just rebuilt incorrectly. With an old QB, Brunell, rather than a young one, 3-4 wasted years. From the secondary forward, instead of DL backward, 3 1st round DB picks, no 1st day DL picks. On O, through the glamorous positions, WR, TE, RB, rather than trenches. We have the GNP of a small country spent on Portis, Betts, Moss, ARE, Lloyd, but have devoted no 1st day picks to OL, and have no young OL either signed or being developed, excepting Heyer, and an unproven SF OT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thoth Posted January 16, 2008 Share Posted January 16, 2008 Watch what Parcells does in Miami. If they don't take a franchise QB, they'll trade down repeatedly from #1 spot, in a draft several rounds deep, and take multiple DL/OL players. Within 2 years, the DL and OL of Miami will be stocked with young talent, just like Dallas, Green Bay, etc. They'll choose the glamour positions selectively, and build from the trenches. We'll keep signig corners and DBs, and have no pass rush, they'll get to the QB and win with average DBs. We'll go with our Jurassic OL, they'll have above average receivers, and mid-round pick RBs that flourish because their OL opens holes, and gives the QB time. While we start all 30+ OL and gripe about injury bug when 1-2 OL go down again next year, they'll start 23-27 year olds across the board, maybe selecting one old veteran starter and one back-up. A better question is when the next time this team will be rebuilt. While Snyder is owner, I'm not holding my breath. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
worstSeat Posted January 17, 2008 Share Posted January 17, 2008 Exactly...good post.To add, in all honesty, we made progress under Norv too. He just couldn't get us over the hump. We went from 3-13 to 6-10 to 9-7 in his first 3 years. Very impressive. He just plateaued at that point. Plateaued, or had the mountain cut out from under him by the owner? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimmyConway Posted January 17, 2008 Share Posted January 17, 2008 When Gibbs came out of retirement.It was just rebuilt incorrectly. With an old QB, Brunell, rather than a young one, 3-4 wasted years. From the secondary forward, instead of DL backward, 3 1st round DB picks, no 1st day DL picks. On O, through the glamorous positions, WR, TE, RB, rather than trenches. We have the GNP of a small country spent on Portis, Betts, Moss, ARE, Lloyd, but have devoted no 1st day picks to OL, and have no young OL either signed or being developed, excepting Heyer, and an unproven SF OT. I would have to agree with you on most of this, but I do think we're still within the Gibbs rebuilding process simply because (I hope) we understand now that it starts with the draft. Once we realize who our franchise players are, I'm not even sure myself at this point then we'll be able to say that we have a winning SYSTEM in place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PlayAction Posted January 17, 2008 Share Posted January 17, 2008 Marty restructured the team. He jettisoned many of the expensive over the hill veterans that Danny has foolishly acquired. He was left with few players with talent but all of his draft picks and huge cap room. After going 8:8 and a good winning streak Danny canned him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sawyer5500 Posted January 17, 2008 Share Posted January 17, 2008 Watch what Parcells does in Miami.If they don't take a franchise QB, they'll trade down repeatedly from #1 spot, in a draft several rounds deep, and take multiple DL/OL players. Within 2 years, the DL and OL of Miami will be stocked with young talent, just like Dallas, Green Bay, etc. They'll choose the glamour positions selectively, and build from the trenches. We'll keep signig corners and DBs, and have no pass rush, they'll get to the QB and win with average DBs. We'll go with our Jurassic OL, they'll have above average receivers, and mid-round pick RBs that flourish because their OL opens holes, and gives the QB time. While we start all 30+ OL and gripe about injury bug when 1-2 OL go down again next year, they'll start 23-27 year olds across the board, maybe selecting one old veteran starter and one back-up. A better question is when the next time this team will be rebuilt. While Snyder is owner, I'm not holding my breath. It makes me want to cry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skinfan2k Posted January 17, 2008 Share Posted January 17, 2008 With Snyder, its not called rebuilding, its called retool and reorganize. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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