DieselPwr44 Posted January 6, 2008 Share Posted January 6, 2008 You guys don't know what you're talking about. Heyer is a backup. He's not replacing Jansen. IF that's true, we still need to find a RT. Jansen's done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArmchairRedskin Posted January 6, 2008 Share Posted January 6, 2008 IF that's true, we still need to find a RT. Jansen's done. I think Jansen is done too, but I don't think we can rely on Heyer. He's way too raw and I'm not sure if he's ever gonna be starter material. He doesn't really seem to have the footwork or instincts for it. I'm no expert, to me it looks like he's not really suited for tackle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted January 6, 2008 Share Posted January 6, 2008 You guys don't know what you're talking about. Heyer is a backup. He's not replacing Jansen. Oh, I'm sorry coach. Can you tell us all why Heyer got more play time down the stretch then Wade, the seasoned vet ? While your at it, what does your crystal ball say about Jansen being the player he was 4 seasons ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyansRangers Posted January 6, 2008 Author Share Posted January 6, 2008 Did you see him last season. He got abused a good deal. I did see him last season, however cutting Jansen or going after a FA RT is not going to happen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArmchairRedskin Posted January 6, 2008 Share Posted January 6, 2008 Oh, I'm sorry coach. Can you tell us all why Heyer got more play time down the stretch then Wade, the seasoned vet ?While your at it, what does your crystal ball say about Jansen being the player he was 4 seasons ago. I just said Jansen looks done. Watching Heyer he just doesn't hold his ground at all, he doesn't use his body right. He seems to be off balance a lot. If you look at my next post I said I'm no expert. I'm not sure why you're all snippy, there Pete. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PA Skin Fan Posted January 6, 2008 Share Posted January 6, 2008 Heyer has tremendous upside and is a pretty good athlete. He MANHANDLED the G-men OL as well as Minny. One bad game does not mean he can't play the position. If that's the case, then Jason Campbell shouldn't be our QB either after the end of the TB and Dallas games. We need tons of young OL in the draft, that's for sure. The OL was overall HORRIBLE today, but I think Heyer is one of our bright spots for the future. We need two young guards and another young tackle that are athletic, and can pull in run blocking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seabee1973 Posted January 6, 2008 Share Posted January 6, 2008 Jansen didn't even play with Collins. I do agree that we missed Thomas though. Man can he pull. With Thomas and Pete Kendall, the G spots are pretty set. We just need that depth. Fabini, while commendable this season, got his butt handed to him during the Seattle game. :helmet: We still need to get younger with Kendell we have some leeway if he stays Hopefully Thomas can give us 3 more years of injury free seasons and draft some players liek Dockery in the third and fourth rounds Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArmchairRedskin Posted January 6, 2008 Share Posted January 6, 2008 Heyer chases the defender too much. He lets them get around his outside shoulder and he gets no leverage that way. I don't see near enough of him keeping the defender square in front of him. I think he's a feel good story, but not the starter answer in the long run. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scruffylookin Posted January 6, 2008 Share Posted January 6, 2008 What have we won with Thomas and Jansen? When has this Oline even with these guys ever produce consistently? We have a ton of money invested in Rabach, Wade, Thomas, and Jansen. Have they been worth it? I don't think they have. Bugel proved with Stephon Heyer that he can still coach. Which is something I was not so sure of due to the fact that until Heyer, he has failed to develop a single lineman since returning. We should get rid of the expensive dead weight on the oline and give Bugel a bunch of young kids to develop on the right side while we have trusted vets in Chris Samuels and Pete Kendall anchoring the left. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArmchairRedskin Posted January 6, 2008 Share Posted January 6, 2008 What have we won with Thomas and Jansen?When has this Oline even with these guys ever produce consistently? We have a ton of money invested in Rabach, Wade, Thomas, and Jansen. Have they been worth it? I don't think they have. Bugel proved with Stephon Heyer that he can still coach. Which is something I was not so sure of due to the fact that until Heyer, he has failed to develop a single lineman since returning. We should get rid of the expensive dead weight on the oline and give Bugel a bunch of young kids to develop on the right side while we have trusted vets in Chris Samuels and Pete Kendall anchoring the left. Thomas is one of the best guards in the league. He just needs to stay healthy. Last year we were sacked, what, 19 times? I don't think the play of our Oline was the deciding factor last year. Look how well Betts rushed in Portis' absense. I think you're barking up the wrong tree with Thomas at least. Jansen may be done, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
method man Posted January 6, 2008 Share Posted January 6, 2008 Heyer has tremendous upside and is a pretty good athlete. He MANHANDLED the G-men OL as well as Minny. One bad game does not mean he can't play the position. If that's the case, then Jason Campbell shouldn't be our QB either after the end of the TB and Dallas games.We need tons of young OL in the draft, that's for sure. The OL was overall HORRIBLE today, but I think Heyer is one of our bright spots for the future. We need two young guards and another young tackle that are athletic, and can pull in run blocking. No we don't. We probably only need to take 1 guard, because the starting line is pretty much set with Heyer as a tackle backup and Alexander as a backup at guard. Fabini probably stays because of his versatility so only 1 more OL would fit on the roster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redskns21 Posted January 6, 2008 Share Posted January 6, 2008 I'd like to take a good look at Jordan Gross from Carolina. He'd be a very solid addition, IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J-Rad Posted January 6, 2008 Share Posted January 6, 2008 Agreed, our o-line was exposed. But what do you expect? Proud of the team for making the playoffs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skinsaddict Posted January 6, 2008 Share Posted January 6, 2008 sorry Jansen is the all pro there. He was never manhandled like Heyer was today coming off a major injury....I have my doubts. I see a huge upside in heyer. HUGE. Now, if Jansen comes back full strenghth then heyer will be a quality backup Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skinfan2k Posted January 6, 2008 Share Posted January 6, 2008 What have we won with Thomas and Jansen?When has this Oline even with these guys ever produce consistently? We have a ton of money invested in Rabach, Wade, Thomas, and Jansen. Have they been worth it? I don't think they have. Bugel proved with Stephon Heyer that he can still coach. Which is something I was not so sure of due to the fact that until Heyer, he has failed to develop a single lineman since returning. We should get rid of the expensive dead weight on the oline and give Bugel a bunch of young kids to develop on the right side while we have trusted vets in Chris Samuels and Pete Kendall anchoring the left. Then fans should be ready to devoute a losing season with JC and this offensive line. The ravens found 3 replacements thru the draft with yanda, grubbs and gaither. They could be set for years now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyansRangers Posted January 6, 2008 Author Share Posted January 6, 2008 I think our 2nd 3rd rounders should be Oline in the draft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
voicekiller Posted January 6, 2008 Share Posted January 6, 2008 We really need Jansen and Randy back Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Destino Posted January 6, 2008 Share Posted January 6, 2008 coming off a major injury....I have my doubts.I see a huge upside in heyer. HUGE. Now, if Jansen comes back full strenghth then heyer will be a quality backup Jansen hasn't looked good when healthy either. Wouldn't be shocked to see a right tackle taken by us in the first round. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyansRangers Posted January 6, 2008 Author Share Posted January 6, 2008 what Jansen is great at is run blocking he is Ok in pass blocking but if Jansen was playing we wouldnt have had to throw so much and we could have worn down the Dline with run blocking Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Passizle Posted January 6, 2008 Share Posted January 6, 2008 Did ANYONE see the post game with Gibbs. I would have loved for better production, but come on... its really loud it Seattle... and anyone has a hard time, if they cant get the jump they need. Gibbs knows this. Why dont you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wyvern Posted January 6, 2008 Share Posted January 6, 2008 Fabini sucked all game. Heyer sucked about 75% of the time, but remember that Heyer had help most of the game. This was a patched-up, make-shift line -- we got about the best we could expect. Gibbs & Co. better plan to draft some O-linemen next year or pick up some decent ree agents. Who knows what Jansen will be like next year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyron Biggums Posted January 6, 2008 Share Posted January 6, 2008 Heyer did not look like a rag doll man. He was challenged for sure but look at this kids build. Heyer is probably one of the most raw talents you could get to mold him into whatever you want. This kid has heart, just wait until he get through his first NFL offseason workouts and gets some real strength, he is still working off pure talent. :2cents: :applause: :applause: :applause: Fabini has licked all season IMO.. Hope is gone next season.. Pete Kendall could be a decent back up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spidernat Posted January 6, 2008 Share Posted January 6, 2008 sorry Jansen is the all pro there. He was never manhandled like Heyer was today In what league was Jansen an all pro, the Big Ten? And yes he has been manhandled in the past. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flexxskins Posted January 6, 2008 Share Posted January 6, 2008 I wouldn't count on Jansen as a gimmie. Two serious injuries in three seasons to the same leg, and his age aren't in his favor. His play had dropped off last season.He should have to earn his spot next season, not just have it handed to him. Don't get me wrong, I love Jansen, but I'm also realistic You are actually a breath of fresh air Pete. I to have always loved Jansen. But, I have a memory and I remember how he was looking before he got hurt. He looked horrible. Getting bull rushed back into our QB. Getting beat around the outside.Jansen should definitely have to compete for a starting position IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deefense Posted January 6, 2008 Share Posted January 6, 2008 Sure hope our first pics in draft are O linemen. with Fabini and Heyer in there, it was like trying to dam a river with a chain-link fence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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