pointyfootball Posted December 12, 2007 Share Posted December 12, 2007 Thought it'd be fun to rate the worst draft picks for each NFC East team from 1995-2005. EDIT: Players listed at the beginning are EACH TEAM'S FIRST OVERALL PICK - not busts. My take on the "BUSTS" for the 10 year period are at the botto of the post. Obviously, Champ Bailey, Greg Ellis and WIlliam Thomas are great picks and not busts (for example). Sorry for confusion. Year [Team's 1st player selected] (Selection # overall, Team) 95 Westbrook (4, WAS) Mamula (6, PHI) Wheatley (17, NYG) S.Williams (46, DAL) 96 C. Jones (5, NYG) Mayberry (25, PHI) A. Johnson (30, WAS) K. Pittman (37, DAL) 97 Hilliard (7, NYG) K. Lang (17, WAS) D.Lefleur (22, DAL) J. Harris (25, PHI) 98 Ellis (8, DAL) W. Thomas (11, PHI) S Williams (24, NYG) Alexander (48, WAS) 99 McNabb (2, PHI) Bailey (7, WAS) Petitgout (19, NYG) Ekuban (20, DAL) 00 Arrington (2, WAS) Simon (6, PHI) Dayne (11, NYG) Goodrich (49, DAL) 01 Gardner (15, WAS) Allen (22, NYG) Mitchell (25, PHI) Carter (55, DAL) 02 R.Williams (8, DAL) Shockey (14, NYG) Sheppard (26, PHI) Ramsey (32, WAS) 03 Newman (5, DAL) McDougle (15, PHI) Joseph (25, NYG) Jacobs (44, WAS) 04 Rivers/Manning (1, NYG) Taylor (5, WAS) Andrews (16, PHI) Jones (43, DAL) 05 Rogers (9, WAS) Ware (11, DAL) Patterson (31, PHI) Webster (43, NYG) My take on worst three for each team: PHI: Mamula, Harris, McDougle DAL: K Pittman, LeFleur, Jones NYG: Dayne, Jones, Manning (based on what they gave up) WAS: Arrington, Westbrook, Gardner or Ramsey Looking at players who were selected after some of these guys, it almost makes you want to cry. For example: Freddie Mitchell (25th) Reggie Wayne (30th), Chad Johnson (36th), Robert Ferguson (41st), Chris Chambers, (52nd), Steve Smith (74th). Argh. Your take? PF Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riggo-toni Posted December 12, 2007 Share Posted December 12, 2007 WHY does passing over FREDDIE MITCHELL make you wanna cry?????? WTF?? Why isn't he listed as one of the Eagles' worst busts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tr1 Posted December 12, 2007 Share Posted December 12, 2007 Bobby Carpenter #54 | Linebacker | Dallas Cowboys Roster: Height: 6-2 Weight: 257 Born: Aug 1, 1983 - Lancaster, OH College: Ohio State Draft: 2006 - 1st round (18th pick) by the Dallas Cowboys Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DWinzit Posted December 12, 2007 Share Posted December 12, 2007 It sure helps explain the sad state the NFCE has been in over the past decade plus! The drafting has breed mediocrity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DWinzit Posted December 12, 2007 Share Posted December 12, 2007 Bobby Carpenter #54 | Linebacker | Dallas Cowboys Roster: Height: 6-2 Weight: 257 Born: Aug 1, 1983 - Lancaster, OH College: Ohio State Draft: 2006 - 1st round (18th pick) by the Dallas Cowboys :laugh: Right on queue Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Weirdo Posted December 12, 2007 Share Posted December 12, 2007 Patterson is a bust? He leads the entire NFL in DTs with tackles. 61 total tackles and 3 sacks. Yeah, a real bust he sounds like. Dude, you're so weird. I extend myself to you via PM and you don't respond. Whats your problem? EDIT: I read the thread wrong. That never happens. Anyways, still hurt by you shunning me. We're supposed to stick together here and even Westy loves me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BurntToast Posted December 12, 2007 Share Posted December 12, 2007 Bailey a bust? Just because we traded him away for two snickers bars doesn't make him a bust. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigMike619 Posted December 12, 2007 Share Posted December 12, 2007 Im sorry, are you saying that LaVar was a bust? That dude ended Aikman's career. That alone should be worth him being a Redskin. He went thru like 6 different D coordinators in his time here and he did everything that was told of him until GW got here. By then they were shady with money and he was disgruntled, but that man was a beast and played with all heart. I do NOT support that. Even Patrick Ramsey got a pretty raw deal. His HC was Spurrier and we all know that guy had an ego that was so big that he couldnt see the big picture when it came to coaching in the NFL. When Ramsey actually got some time he shined. Dont forget he was taken out by that cheap shot that Chicago hit him with and then Brunell came in and took over. He lost his job because of injury. Thats a raw deal in my opinion. Westbrook, F him. Gardner had a few moments but yeah he never lived up to potential. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. S Posted December 12, 2007 Share Posted December 12, 2007 you all notice that the initial list is so we can see who was drafted. His later list does not include Bailey or Patterson. It does include Lavar which I disagree with. My list would go like this: Was: Westbrook, Johnson, Jacobs (he is listed though not a first rounder) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KevinthePRF Posted December 12, 2007 Share Posted December 12, 2007 I'd also have to state that Arrington was not a complete bust. In fact I believe had Schottenheimer remained our coach he would still be regarded as one of the better linebackers in the NFL. I think the constant cycle of coaches he went through hurt him as much as his injuries. I think the Skins top bust was Rod Gardner. Mostly for the reason if you take a look at that draft as a whole. A ton of good WRs and good players were picked after him. It's like we reached into a thin field of busts and picked out the best of the bunch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pointyfootball Posted December 12, 2007 Author Share Posted December 12, 2007 Patterson is a bust? He leads the entire NFL in DTs with tackles. 61 total tackles and 3 sacks. Yeah, a real bust he sounds like. Dude, you're so weird. I extend myself to you via PM and you don't respond. Whats your problem? OK, first things first - I listed each team's 1st pick, good or bad. Secondly, I've never gotten a pm before, and for some reason when you sent one, I clicked "OK" to accept/read it and then nothing happened. No shunning. Your "**** the Cowboys" and WIPesque reactions post-games are classing, and enjoyable. All Eagle fans are my friends. Here's to ya! PF Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pointyfootball Posted December 12, 2007 Author Share Posted December 12, 2007 WHY does passing over FREDDIE MITCHELL make you wanna cry??????WTF?? Why isn't he listed as one of the Eagles' worst busts? That's the problem - they DIDN'T pass over him (Eagles). I was pointing out how many stud WR were picked AFTER him. Maybe my wife is right - I AM a horrible communicator! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Weirdo Posted December 12, 2007 Share Posted December 12, 2007 OK, first things first - I listed each team's 1st pick, good or bad.Secondly, I've never gotten a pm before, and for some reason when you sent one, I clicked "OK" to accept/read it and then nothing happened. No shunning. Your "**** the Cowboys" and WIPesque reactions post-games are classing, and enjoyable. All Eagle fans are my friends. Here's to ya! PF Just admit it. You think I'm the worst Eagle fan that ever laid foot on this planet. I deserve the title. In some forms, I might accept it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigRay Posted December 12, 2007 Share Posted December 12, 2007 Im sorry, are you saying that LaVar was a bust? That dude ended Aikman's career. That alone should be worth him being a Redskin. He went thru like 6 different D coordinators in his time here and he did everything that was told of him until GW got here. By then they were shady with money and he was disgruntled, but that man was a beast and played with all heart. I do NOT support that. Even Patrick Ramsey got a pretty raw deal. His HC was Spurrier and we all know that guy had an ego that was so big that he couldnt see the big picture when it came to coaching in the NFL. When Ramsey actually got some time he shined. Dont forget he was taken out by that cheap shot that Chicago hit him with and then Brunell came in and took over. He lost his job because of injury. Thats a raw deal in my opinion. Westbrook, F him. Gardner had a few moments but yeah he never lived up to potential. I agree but how can anyone for get Health Shuler talking about being a big bust. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pointyfootball Posted December 12, 2007 Author Share Posted December 12, 2007 Im sorry, are you saying that LaVar was a bust? That dude ended Aikman's career. That alone should be worth him being a Redskin. He went thru like 6 different D coordinators in his time here and he did everything that was told of him until GW got here. By then they were shady with money and he was disgruntled, but that man was a beast and played with all heart. I do NOT support that. That's cool, I'm not an expert in all picks, hence the reason I asked for opinions. Personally, since he was the 2nd overall pick, playing a position that is normally NEVER picked that high, he was supposed to be the "next" LT. In looking back, since 1983, only 6 linebackers have been taken in the top-3 overall spots. If he had good coaching when he was young, it might have made a difference, but since he is out of the league totally after 6 years, with spotty performance, that's the reason I consider him a bust. And I'm a HUGE PSU fan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pointyfootball Posted December 12, 2007 Author Share Posted December 12, 2007 Just admit it. You think I'm the worst Eagle fan that ever laid foot on this planet. I deserve the title. In some forms, I might accept it. haha - no. Anyone who keeps following their team during the worst of times isn't a bad fan in my book. And I'm SURE you never chucked batteries. That's top-10% right there! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nightbird Posted December 12, 2007 Share Posted December 12, 2007 No no no no no. Arrington did not turn into the force of nature we hoped for. But he did go to pro-bowls, and I believe if we had kept Marty around instead of making the Spurrier mistake, Lavar would have developed into a Derrick Thomas-type impact player. Ramser and Gardner at least contributed. The NUMBER ONE BUST has to be Andre Johsnon. We traded up for him and he could not play. Period. He simply did not have the ability to MOVE SIDEWAYS -- sort of a critical skill for a left tackle. To this day I do not understand how that happened. We had to cut the guy before preseason ended, he was so bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rincewind Posted December 12, 2007 Share Posted December 12, 2007 The list doesn't go far enough back, but Heath Shuler should get a special mention anyway. When you're when of the top 10 busts in NFL history, you get that kind of treatment. :doh: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kobra860 Posted December 12, 2007 Share Posted December 12, 2007 Im sorry, are you saying that LaVar was a bust? That dude ended Aikman's career. That alone should be worth him being a Redskin. He went thru like 6 different D coordinators in his time here and he did everything that was told of him until GW got here. By then they were shady with money and he was disgruntled, but that man was a beast and played with all heart. I do NOT support that. Also Arrington was one of the first of a growing group of LBs with the size of DEs (Adalius Thomas, Ware, Merriman, etc.). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
panel Posted December 12, 2007 Share Posted December 12, 2007 Arrington was not a bust, Freddie Mitchell was Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doncherry Posted December 12, 2007 Share Posted December 12, 2007 do they need to be 1st rounders? I would definitely categorize Quincy Carter as a bust. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pointyfootball Posted December 12, 2007 Author Share Posted December 12, 2007 Arrington was not a bust, Freddie Mitchell was If you say Mitchell was, you have to say LA was in my opinion. A difference of 23 spots in the first round! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forehead Posted December 12, 2007 Share Posted December 12, 2007 Just admit it. You think I'm the worst Eagle fan that ever laid foot on this planet. I deserve the title. In some forms, I might accept it. Who Del, are you looking for attention again? Did mom and dad not show you enough love as a child? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Weirdo Posted December 12, 2007 Share Posted December 12, 2007 Who Del, are you looking for attention again? Did mom and dad not show you enough love as a child? Your response is so original I felt the need to respond back to you. Without even saying anything at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CowboysSaintsFan Posted December 12, 2007 Share Posted December 12, 2007 If you say Mitchell was, you have to say LA was in my opinion. A difference of 23 spots in the first round! IF it wasn't for the infamous Ricky Williams trade between the Skins and Saints(which netted the former a bunch of draft picks), Lavar would likely have been drafted by the latter. Probably didn't matter-b/c Lavar would have been a bust in NOLA anyways, so it all came out a wash. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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