Guest sith lord Posted July 20, 2007 Share Posted July 20, 2007 http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=2943095 This is very bad for the NBA. Even though they haven't named any names, my bet is on Joey Crawford. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan T. Posted July 20, 2007 Share Posted July 20, 2007 Wow. Sickening. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkinsOrlando Posted July 20, 2007 Share Posted July 20, 2007 http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=2943095This is very bad for the NBA. Even though they haven't named any names, my bet is on Joey Crawford. Wouldn't surprise me if it was Joey, have to wait and see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StillUnknown Posted July 20, 2007 Share Posted July 20, 2007 i hope its Javie so he doesn't ref anymore. dude gives out technicals like candy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hooper Posted July 20, 2007 Share Posted July 20, 2007 I would laugh my butt off if it was Crawford. That guy thinks he's a superstar player or something. He threw out Tim Duncan -- Tim Duncan!-- for laughing and then challenged him to a fight. Who knows? Maybe he had ten large riding on the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ACW Posted July 20, 2007 Share Posted July 20, 2007 Must've been one of the guys who reffed the CLE-WAS playoff games... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leonard Washington Posted July 20, 2007 Share Posted July 20, 2007 http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=2943095This is very bad for the NBA. Even though they haven't named any names, my bet is on Joey Crawford. How is it bad for the NBA? The ref was the one doing the betting. I say bad for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
macnoke03 Posted July 20, 2007 Share Posted July 20, 2007 Is there any sport left that is not tainted by some big scandal or conspiracy anymore? Maybe table tennis or curling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grhqofb5 Posted July 20, 2007 Share Posted July 20, 2007 I'm betting on Dick Bavetta, and the chick referees. Bavetta obviously needs money or he wouldn't have raced Barkley. As for the chicks, I have nothing to back up my accusations. But it's cool, because it's message board. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DOOG Posted July 20, 2007 Share Posted July 20, 2007 Is there any sport left that is not tainted by some big scandal or conspiracy anymore? Maybe table tennis or curling. That Chinese ping pong dude was juiced up I heard!:laugh: :logo: I'm still under the belief that there are no more or no less problems today than 30 years ago...Its just the media aspect of covering the "scandels" has been hightend.:2cents: :logo: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest sith lord Posted July 20, 2007 Share Posted July 20, 2007 How is it bad for the NBA? The ref was the one doing the betting. I say bad for him. Leonard, are you kidding? A ref can influence the outcome of games for crying out loud. Now you're gonna have a large portion of your fan base wondering if these games are on the level. That's not good anyway you put it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DOOG Posted July 20, 2007 Share Posted July 20, 2007 Cuban is gonna have a field day with this also...:logo: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkinsOrlando Posted July 20, 2007 Share Posted July 20, 2007 If Mark Cuban reffed a game in the post game conference he'd still be ****ing about the calls. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCsportsfan53 Posted July 20, 2007 Share Posted July 20, 2007 Leonard, are you kidding? A ref can influence the outcome of games for crying out loud. Now you're gonna have a large portion of your fan base wondering if these games are on the level. That's not good anyway you put it. ESPECIALLY becasue it is the NBA. The officiating can be such a huge factor in the outcome of games, not to mention that's it's also more subjective than other sports. For those reasons, people are already less trusting of NBA officials than other sports. I think this definitely hurts the NBA, a sport that's already on a downswing and in need of some help. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leonard Washington Posted July 20, 2007 Share Posted July 20, 2007 Leonard, are you kidding? A ref can influence the outcome of games for crying out loud. Now you're gonna have a large portion of your fan base wondering if these games are on the level. That's not good anyway you put it. ESPECIALLY becasue it is the NBA. The officiating can be such a huge factor in the outcome of games, not to mention that's it's also more subjective than other sports. For those reasons, people are already less trusting of NBA officials than other sports. I think this definitely hurts the NBA, a sport that's already on a downswing and in need of some help. I understand your viewpoint, but I'm tired of the "something goes wrong and the whole sport is ****ed" mentality. The ref didn't referee every single game for every team. The players still got to put the ball in the basket. As a ref, he could do his job on game day but use inside info to make educated bets. :2cents: Obviously, if its seconds left and lebron take 5 extra steps while driving the lane....NO CALL. I just think it's too hard to fix a game, especially with other refs around. Only in the situation I described, is it possible but not 100%. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCsportsfan53 Posted July 20, 2007 Share Posted July 20, 2007 I understand your viewpoint, but I'm tired of the "something goes wrong and the whole sport is ****ed" mentality. The ref didn't referee every single game for every team. The players still got to put the ball in the basket. As a ref, he could do his job on game day but use inside info to make educated bets. :2cents: Obviously, if its seconds left and lebron take 5 extra steps while driving the lane....NO CALL. I just think it's too hard to fix a game, especially with other refs around. Only in the situation I described, is it possible. All I'm saying is, in a sport where player biases by refs, games being decided by refs and over interference by refs is the widely held perception, this is not a good thing to throw on top of that pile. Aside from a generally poor product on the court, this is another problem the NBA has to deal with and soon. They are quickly losing ground in the sports marketplace and this on top of the perception NBA officiating already has does not help at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest sith lord Posted July 20, 2007 Share Posted July 20, 2007 I understand your viewpoint, but I'm tired of the "something goes wrong and the whole sport is ****ed" mentality. The ref didn't referee every single game for every team. The players still got to put the ball in the basket. As a ref, he could do his job on game day but use inside info to make educated bets. :2cents: Obviously, if its seconds left and lebron take 5 extra steps while driving the lane....NO CALL. I just think it's too hard to fix a game, especially with other refs around. Only in the situation I described, is it possible but not 100%. What are you talking about? You think it's hard to fix a game? All it takes is one phantom call late in the game to dictate the outcome. What if this ref was refereeing games of teams that were on the playoff bubble? A franchise could lose millions in playoff revenue is he was on the take. Futhermore, wasn't the NBA talking about putting a franchise in Las Vegas? Those plans might have to be scrapped now. Nobody's saying that the NBA will go under, but this is a serious issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
megared Posted July 20, 2007 Share Posted July 20, 2007 What are you talking about? You think it's hard to fix a game? All it takes is one phantom call late in the game to dictate the outcome. What if this ref was refereeing games of teams that were on the playoff bubble? A franchise could lose millions in playoff revenue is he was on the take.Futhermore, wasn't the NBA talking about putting a franchise in Las Vegas? Those plans might have to be scrapped now. Nobody's saying that the NBA will go under, but this is a serious issue. I'm thinking it's Benit Salvatore....his name sounds like he'd be involved with the mob This would've never been a problem if referees were never given so much control to the outcome of games. They're more like babysitters in today's NBA. No, they definitely don't need a franchise in Vegas. If anything they need to reduce the amount of teams... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leonard Washington Posted July 20, 2007 Share Posted July 20, 2007 What are you talking about? You think it's hard to fix a game? All it takes is one phantom call late in the game to dictate the outcome. What if this ref was refereeing games of teams that were on the playoff bubble? A franchise could lose millions in playoff revenue is he was on the take.Futhermore, wasn't the NBA talking about putting a franchise in Las Vegas? Those plans might have to be scrapped now. Nobody's saying that the NBA will go under, but this is a serious issue. Ahem, as I said the end of the game is the most fixable. Before that point, the cheating ref can't predict how his calls will determine the outcome. The caveat to all this is if the other referees are doing their job. If they are, it will be tough to get away with an obvious bad call. Now if you want to argue the whole crew is on the fix, then you have a point. I stand by my opinion that the ref is using inside info to make bets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leonard Washington Posted July 20, 2007 Share Posted July 20, 2007 This would've never been a problem if referees were never given so much control to the outcome of games. They're more like babysitters in today's NBA. The NBA is so physical now. Officials could either call a foul on every play or let them all play it out, obviously they can't do either. They have a tough job. Maybe they are a little underpaid and need a taste on the side. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry Posted July 20, 2007 Share Posted July 20, 2007 Just wondering exactly which federal law the FBI thinks the guy broke. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest sith lord Posted July 20, 2007 Share Posted July 20, 2007 Ahem, as I said the end of the game is the most fixable. Before that point, the cheating ref can't predict how his calls will determine the outcome. Wrong again. Any ref that is on the take, all they have to do is call a couple of quick fouls on the best player of any team and that will most likely influence the outcome of any game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leonard Washington Posted July 20, 2007 Share Posted July 20, 2007 Wrong again. Any ref that is on the take, all they have to do is call a couple of quick fouls on the best player of any team and that will most likely influence the outcome of any game. not always. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest sith lord Posted July 20, 2007 Share Posted July 20, 2007 not always. But most of the time. If Wade or Bryant is out of the game in early foul trouble, I like my chances if I'm the other team or if I gambled against them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest sith lord Posted July 20, 2007 Share Posted July 20, 2007 Reports say it's Tim Donaghy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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