Mark May: Worst Offseason = Redskins

[deejaydana]

Agree or disagree with him? I think he's generally right in what he's stating but given his background maybe he's got an axe to grind (?). who knows but at this point, I am the only one who is questioning the fact we haven't added ANY D-linemen? That was/is our weakest spot, we've done nothing to address it. We're going to be deep (potentially) at the LB spot which is good, cause those guys are going to have to do some heavy lifting defending our pourous line.

[MadMonkey]

Here's the clip for those that didn't see it

[SkinsFanAnt]

Lets debunk this quickly, shall we? We'll start with the first year of post-gibbs, 1993

93: 4-12

94: 3-13

95: 6-10

96: 9-7

97: 8-7-1

98: 6-10

99: 10-6- lost in divisional playoff round

00: 8-8

01: 8-8

02: 7-9

03: 5-11

04: 6-10

05: 10-6- lost in divisional playoff round

06: 5-11

Snyder bought the team in 99. Those 6 years prior don't look like glory years to me.....

OH!...MY BAD! I forgot to put 'early' in front of 90's. Look at the rest before '93. I love how you conviniently leave 90-92 off.

1982 8-1 Won SB

1983 14-2 Lost SB

1984 11-5 Lost in PO's to Bears

1985 10-6

1986 12-4 Lost Conf. Champ to Giants

1987 11-4 Won SB

1988 7-9

1989 10-6

1990 10-6 Lost to 49ers in PO's

1991 14-2 Won SB

1992 9-7 Lost in PO's

1993 Exit Joe Gibbs, enter Free Agency.

[Shadowplay]

I am "some people" and IMO he is wrong but I am not upset about that. I am upset for him spewing his dislike for the team (self admitted) on a national TV stage.

He wasn't spewing DISLIKE of the team. He was spewing his DISLIKE of their off-season and there's a difference. If May was the only guy saying that these things then I could understand people have a problem but I have yet to see anyone who isn't on the Redskins payroll spin this draft favorably.

May gave some very good points. He said that the team suffered franchise lows in sacks and take aways which one would think would lead the team to get help along the defensive line. That didn't happen so May and a lot of other people wondered aloud how this could happen.

[d0ublestr0ker0ll]

Mark May is about the lowest-rung anal-yst on ESPN. I don't think I've ever taken something he's said in to mind. The offseason moves we made last year had ESPN ranking us #3 overall. That's after getting rid of a solid SS and getting a one-trick pony, picking up an undersized hybrid DE/OLB to play DE, and adding two unproven players at the WR position. (Randel El is a great specialist). Now, Carter is getting used to focusing on being a DE, Lloyd is in his 2nd year under a Saunders system, and I have a lot of confidence in Golston and Daniels.

F it, all that matters to me as far as weak anal-ysts go, is noting all this crap down then shoving it in their faces if we do well.

[TorresA]

this could be a great thing.... every other year we win the offseason and what happens to us

[Birdlives]

Yeah Mark May knows nothing...I mean he only follows the league for a living.

No he doesn't. He's a college football commentator. I'll leave you to guess why.

[jsevier]

He wasn't spewing DISLIKE of the team. He was spewing his DISLIKE of their off-season and there's a difference. If May was the only guy saying that these things then I could understand people have a problem but I have yet to see anyone who isn't on the Redskins payroll spin this draft favorably.

May gave some very good points. He said that the team suffered franchise lows in sacks and take aways which one would think would lead the team to get help along the defensive line. That didn't happen so May and a lot of other people wondered aloud how this could happen.

I just watched the clip over again and it is very clear to ME that he is showing the "dislike" he admitted he has for Snyder and the team in his delivery. If you don't see it then we will just agree to disagree. This is not the first time I have seen him do this and it is more obvious each time. My opinion is to keep it professional, never personal.

[carter23]

Never said he was an idiot. Just wanted to make his passion and dislike of the team very clear. It is hard to take someone who shows more passion for the hate of a team then what he is saying. Just not responsible reporting IMO.

It wasn't what he was saying, it was his delivery. While I don't agree with what he was saying I can't knock him for it. When he starts to call out individuals on a team to make a point, I lose interest and it takes greatly from his credibility.

100% correct :notworthy

that is the issue that people had with may's comments, not the comments themselves.. the people who love trashing the team choose to ignore this for some reason

[Beer is Food]

Doesn't matter what May or any other analyst said. The bottom line is that if you watched the Redskins last year, you know the front 4 can't get it done in the run or pass. The Redskins have done nothing to address the D-line. Games are won and lost in the trenches. How can we expect the d to significantly improve? The only way this draft makes sense to me is if the Redskins already have deal in place to trade for Jenkins. Otherwise, we have a long season ahead of us.

I hope I'm wrong, but I can't see how an aging, injury prone set of DT and DE's improve with another year under their belt.

[clathel]

The FO intentionally tanked this draft because they are on the way out and didn't want to give us anything to work with before next year....That is all I can think after trying to figure out the logic of getting a safety we don't need and may be a huge bust, a couple of LB's that we don't need, a QB that wont make training camp, and a TE that shouldn't be signed to a training camp contract.

[nace14]

what do we do when there is a draft class without any players who have a brother or father who played in the nfl? seems to be a prerequisite this year for joe.

[bulldog]

May was critical of Casserly and Turner prior to Snyder purchasing the club, so his 'axe to grind' does go all the way back and is not limited to recent history

it's ironic in that with most clubs when injured players come back the next season most of the time some credit is given to their being able to help improve the squad.

but with May the return of Griffin, Washington and Springs seems to have zero effect on his appraisal of this defense.

this is absurd because as we all know these players are the keys to the defense and were in both 2004 and 2005 when the unit was ranked in the top 10.

[atloldskin]

Another spiteful comment. Note that Mark May did not detail who we should have selected! No, they never do that. We took the best Defensive player on the board or did he forget that??

[jsevier]

The FO intentionally tanked this draft because they are on the way out and didn't want to give us anything to work with before next year....That is all I can think after trying to figure out the logic of getting a safety we don't need and may be a huge bust, a couple of LB's that we don't need, a QB that wont make training camp, and a TE that shouldn't be signed to a training camp contract.

I can't see how Gibbs or Snyder would let something as crazy as what you are putting out there happen. :doh: I know things are difficult to understand at times or ever for that matter but you certainly can't believe this. Call Gibbs and Snyder what you may but please retract this thought from your mind my friend.

[CapitalDefense]

Mark is right 100%!

A QB? He has no chance to make this football team, NONE! At least draft a guy at a position where he could possibly make it as a special teamer, something!

Everyone knows Jason is the starter, Brunell is the backup and Collins is the 3rd string QB/coach. Joe will not cut any of these 3, so why pick a QB?:doh:

Then we pick a TE who only started 14 games in his 4 year college career, a real sleeper there....:doh:

A midget MLB that everyone thinks is Zach Thomas like or London Fletcher like, just because of the height similarities, NOT. Then another LB in the 5th who is slower then some of the offensive lineman in the draft.

Great day again at the NFL draft, the Giants and Eagles did well, the Cowboys OK, and us....:doh:

Sure jump on Mark May, its his fault that our FO is clueless!

[Gusthecat]

OH!...MY BAD! I forgot to put 'early' in front of 90's. Look at the rest before '93. I love how you conviniently leave 90-92 off.

1982 8-1 Won SB

1983 14-2 Lost SB

1984 11-5 Lost in PO's to Bears

1985 10-6

1986 12-4 Lost Conf. Champ to Giants

1987 11-4 Won SB

1988 7-9

1989 10-6

1990 10-6 Lost to 49ers in PO's

1991 14-2 Won SB

1992 9-7 Lost in PO's

1993 Exit Joe Gibbs, enter Free Agency.

Something else happened, Beathard left the team:

Between 1979 and 1983 Bobby Beathard drafted: Darrell Green, Art Monk, Joe Jacoby, Russ Grimm, Mike Nelms, Charles Mann, Jeff Bostic, Darryl Grant, Dexter Manley, Mark May, Neil Okewicz, Don Warren, Monte Colemon, Clint Didier, Charley Brown. These include three to five Hall of Fame (Gibbs, Green, Monk, Jacoby, Grimm). And he drafted five additional Pro Bowlers (Mann, Grant, Nelms, Manley, and Bostic) and about 50+ years of outstanding service from Olkewicz, Coleman and Warren.

By the way, between 1990 and 1995 Charley Casserly drafted, among others, 6 first rounder’s including: Andre Collins, Mark Wilson, Desmond Howard, Tom Carter, Heath Schueler, and Michael Westbrook.

[Sinclair]

I saw it but who cares? Maybe he is right maybe not, we'll see in september.

[Shadowplay]

I just watched the clip over again and it is very clear to ME that he is showing the "dislike" he admitted he has for Snyder and the team in his delivery. If you don't see it then we will just agree to disagree. This is not the first time I have seen him do this and it is more obvious each time. My opinion is to keep it professional, never personal.

Not everyone who hates the decisions that the Redskins make, hates the team or has some agenda. But that's the way it's always spun. Whether it's Peter King, Pastabelly, Mark May, Les Carpenter, JLC, that guy who wrote the damning article for ESPN Mag last year.....they all have an agenda????

I'm not really interested as to whether May has an ax to grind with the team. If he said something that was I thought smacked of bias, I'd call him on it. This team has been below average since 2000, you can't polish a turd.

[skinsn24]

Just pointing this out. Mark May just asked about former REDSKIN Russ Grimm

HE had nothing but POSITIVE things to say about the former Skin Russ Grimm.

[cphil006]

Good bye Vinny Cerrato!!!

Two worthless LBs for us and a QB that won't make the team....

Brilliant!!!

[bulldog]

I think Collins days are numbered here. With Brunell having restructured his deal to come back, the Redskins don't need TWO 36 year old passers behind Campbell.

I agree that Gibbs likes veterans, but Brunell is his veteran insurance at qb. Collins is not a viable option as a passer in the NFL and hasn't been one in several years.

He helped the quarterbacks in 2006 transition to the new offense, but I don't see carrying him for a second season at the cost of a younger player who has a better arm and decent upside.

You aren't going to put Palmer on the practice squad because another team would sign him away to be their own developmental qb............

I think the Redskins made this pick with the expectation that if Palmer shows himself to be the real deal, he will be on the roster and Collins will be gone.

Otherwise, Gibbs would have told the scouts and front office folks to forget about taking a quarterback in the draft period.

[jsevier]

Not everyone who hates the decisions that the Redskins make, hates the team or has some agenda. But that's the way it's always spun. Whether it's Peter King, Pastabelly, Mark May, Les Carpenter, JLC, that guy who wrote the damning article for ESPN Mag last year.....they all have an agenda????

I'm not really interested as to whether May has an ax to grind with the team. If he said something that was I thought smacked of bias, I'd call him on it. This team has been below average since 2000, you can't polish a turd.

Again you are missing the point. Mark May, in his own book, made it very clear his dislike of the team. Each interview and chance he has he slams the team and fails to do it in a manner that would allow insight. It is not his "turd polishing" that I am taking issue with it is his kicking of the "turd." Your right your can't polish a "turd" (and I don't agree with your insinuation) but you also don't want to play with them either. All I ask is that he and those of the likes of Pastabelly, King, and others just report the facts and leave personal bias out of it.

No one should accept professional journalists grinding their own personal ax. If we do we will end up an ever more screwed society. (I'll leave the rest for the tailgate)

[TheGix2]

It's a shame MM feels that way... he was a good player in his day but I think all that trench work knocked a few screws loose....This team has addressed some needs...(maybe not as much as it should have but addressed nonetheless). There are still a few quality DE's out there that could help us... We will be fine at DT, we have a decent 4 man rotation between Griffin, Salvea, Golston, and Montgomery (who will only get better with more playing time). Sorry Mark.. I think you got this one wrong

[NoVaSkins21]

I completely agree with what Mark May had to say. The team without question had a chance to address a glaring weakness at DL, but didn't touch it all. They deserve such criticism for their ignorance.