JoeKnowsBest Posted March 22, 2007 Share Posted March 22, 2007 I leave this question to the panel.... Who is better? Mel Kiper or Mike Mayock of NFL network? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cakmoney61 Posted March 22, 2007 Share Posted March 22, 2007 Mel knows what he is talking about and is not a product of the ESPN bullcrap. He does, however, miss on a lot of what teams will pick and when. His best asset is he knows all of the obscure/late round players and gives great info on those guys. That is his forte'. Agree...the man knows about college players' strengths and weaknesses, but no one knows what's going to happen on draft day. Case in point, last year Reggie Bush wasn't drafted #1. That was one of the most absurd things I've ever seen on draft day. How do you not select Reggie Bush #1? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkinsFTW Posted March 22, 2007 Share Posted March 22, 2007 Mel knows what he is talking about and is not a product of the ESPN bullcrap. Wrong. He doesn't have a clue. If he did he'd be a GM somewhere. He is wrong more than right, even on first rounders. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smoot Point Really Posted March 22, 2007 Share Posted March 22, 2007 Mel knows what he is talking about and is not a product of the ESPN bullcrap. He does, however, miss on a lot of what teams will pick and when. His best asset is he knows all of the obscure/late round players and gives great info on those guys. That is his forte'. I agree with this. Kiper knows what he's talking about, as well as anyone could. None of this is an exact science. Teams also make bad decisions, so he can't predict what teams will do... he'll only give his opinion on what they should do. I like Mel, and what he does for College Football, the NFL draft and ESPN. He is also local and likes the Redskins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThePreciating Posted March 22, 2007 Share Posted March 22, 2007 With how much we've bolstered our secondary and linebackers, I'm actually fine with Carter/Daniels as our ends. I think DT is the most pressing need. The trade-up for CJ though is looking more and more likely. I won't be angry if it happens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SHYSTER411 Posted March 22, 2007 Share Posted March 22, 2007 I leave this question to the panel....Who is better? Mel Kiper or Mike Mayock of NFL network? I personally think Mayock is the better one. I also have no idea what I'm talking about most of the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Troy Fakeman Posted March 22, 2007 Share Posted March 22, 2007 With how much we've bolstered our secondary and linebackers, I'm actually fine with Carter/Daniels as our ends. I think DT is the most pressing need. The trade-up for CJ though is looking more and more likely. I won't be angry if it happens. "But CJ is a bust" "Charles Rogers" "Michael Westbrook" "Mike Williams" "Rod Gardner" "I'm an idiot and do not understand what I am talking about because I only think that WRs, not DEs, or DTs, will be a bust" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Consigliere Posted March 22, 2007 Share Posted March 22, 2007 We have to pick a DE? I just don't understand Mel sometimes. :confused: We have no legit stud DE's. We've got some old run stuffers (Wynn), some creaky formerly mediocre pass rushers (Daniels), we've got a subpar situational rusher (Evans), we've got a nearing middle aged borderline above average pass rusher (Carter) and that's it. At DT we have a guy two years removed from a pro bowl caliber year, and some nice rotational guys, with some youth. Both slots are bad and could be justified, but I think Mel feels that while both positions are very tough to fill, you can usually track down a solid run stuffer who might have penetration skills with a later pick, but getting a legit stud edge rusher is damn near impossible outside the blue chip zone. Doesn't happen very often and we need to take advantage of it. That's what I imagine he's thinking. To me, you could justifiy either tack. Going after a DT should free up our ends to get back to mediocrity at least, and address our run stuffing issues. Getting an edge rusher would probably help take pressure off the corners if he was actually good. Of course we probably won't see the dividends even if we are successful until '08 or '09 but that's how it looks to me. He's also unreasonable in saying we lost a chance at 2-3 starters when we traded away all those picks in those brain dead deals. I agree the trades were stupid. That being said, since when have the redskins hit on rounds 1-4? Answer is NEVER. Hell we haven't even hit in the 1st and 2nd round since '99 and that took a trade up with the Raiders to be accomplished. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Consigliere Posted March 22, 2007 Share Posted March 22, 2007 Not at all. Id say history shows the odds are fairly decent that a 2nd, 3rd and even 4th rounder has a good chance at being a starter. Not our history. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skinsfan1311 Posted March 22, 2007 Share Posted March 22, 2007 Mel is a hardcore Ravens fan. And no team in the NFL has 3 rookies starting year 1. Unless they are rebuilding.So he is just a hater. :applause: Well said....I'm glad I read the entire thread before I posted those same sentiments. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skinsinparadise Posted March 22, 2007 Author Share Posted March 22, 2007 In those rounds we haven't been awful finding starters. Just off the top of my head. Betts -- 2nd rounder Cooley -- 3rd rounder Dockery -- 3rd rounder Smoot -- 2nd rounder Jansen -- 2nd rounder 4th round I agree, mostly busts. Stephen Davis years back was a good 4th rounder. Problem is we love to trade 2nd and third rounders so we don't have a huge history to look at. In this draft DE is so deep if we had a 2nd rounder -- we could sign Okoye for a DT with the first or Landry lets say. And acquire a good DE prospect -- we'd have a high 2nd giving us a chance to obtain someone like Anthony Spencer or Charles Johnson, etc. We'd have a decent chance with our third too becuase again its a high third. What really stinks about losing these draft picks is that they are all high up in the rounds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#21Taylor4Ever Posted March 22, 2007 Share Posted March 22, 2007 I see us trading down for a 2nd/late 1st and we'll draft Okoye or Carriker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cronos190 Posted March 22, 2007 Share Posted March 22, 2007 In those rounds we haven't been awful finding starters. Just off the top of my head. Betts -- 2nd rounder Cooley -- 3rd rounder Dockery -- 3rd rounder Smoot -- 2nd rounder Jansen -- 2nd rounder 4th round I agree, mostly busts. Stephen Davis years back was a good 4th rounder. Problem is we love to trade 2nd and third rounders so we don't have a huge history to look at. In this draft DE is so deep if we had a 2nd rounder -- we could sign Okoye for a DT with the first or Landry lets say. And acquire a good DE prospect -- we'd have a high 2nd giving us a chance to obtain someone like Anthony Spencer or Charles Johnson, etc. We'd have a decent chance with our third too becuase again its a high third. What really stinks about losing these draft picks is that they are all high up in the rounds. How can you forget about Sean Taylor? =P Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skinsinparadise Posted March 22, 2007 Author Share Posted March 22, 2007 How can you forget about Sean Taylor? =P Thought we were talking about getting starters in rounds 2-4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cronos190 Posted March 22, 2007 Share Posted March 22, 2007 Ops my bad, thought you were commenting on the comment about not getting anything right even in the first round. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EersSkins05 Posted April 13, 2007 Share Posted April 13, 2007 I don't think Kiper's big thing is Mock Drafts. He doesn't really claim to have the insight into what teams are looking for so much as he knows what certain players are able to do and project to do at the next level. It's for this reason alone that you wouldn't want anyone else there on the second day of the draft. Mel knows things about those guys that no one knows. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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