SkinsHokieFan Posted March 18, 2007 Share Posted March 18, 2007 NM, double post Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirk Diggler Posted March 18, 2007 Author Share Posted March 18, 2007 Talent, pure talent. The kid could flat our play, and play ball real wellWhat you did was make a comparision that Calvin Johnson could be KW2 with the title of your thread You are warning us about Calvin Johnson because of what happened to KW2. What I am arguing, and what any Big East fan between 2001-2003 will argue is that this is not the case. CJ as a person is much less of a risk then KW2 was coming out of college. Its in the tape, its in the actions on the field. I'll be happy to search for some quotes from him criticizing Brock Berlin during the 2003 season, who was 10 times the QB Reggie Ball was. Find me quotes from CJ on Reggie Ball OMG this is getting tedious. Did you read anything besides the title? The premise of the the post was that CJ (if drafted by us) was going to be limited by the ability of his QB - just like KW is now. I don't know why that doesn't register or why you've turned this into a debate about CJ/KW's character. You're acting like KW was considered a character risk when that just wasn't the case in April of 2004. NFL people/draftniks were talking about KW just like CJ is being talked about right now. When all is said and done - CJ will be right in the same ballpark (maybe a little higher) as a prospect as was KW in 2004. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkinsHokieFan Posted March 18, 2007 Share Posted March 18, 2007 OMG this is getting tedious. Did you read anything besides the title? The premise of the the post was that CJ (if drafted by us) was going to be limited by the ability of his QB - just like KW is now. I don't know why that doesn't register or why you've turned this into a debate about CJ/KW's character. When all is said and done - CJ will be right in the same ballpark (maybe a little higher) as a prospect as was KW in 2004. I read your first post talking about KW being limited by the abilities of Brunell and comparing it to how the development of JC would be the key to if CJ would have any success here To argue that A) you can't compare the abilities of CJ and KW2 and CJ is the type of athlete, AND person that would make JC's job that much easier at QB And I have proven beyond a doubt that KW2 was a character risk coming out of school Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Veretax Posted March 19, 2007 Share Posted March 19, 2007 Its because the first thing that comes to memory ant KWII is his bike accident I think it was. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bantu Posted March 19, 2007 Share Posted March 19, 2007 The truth of the matter is, if KWII doesn't get major injuries to his knees this early in his career, he probably would have posted great TE numbers. He may not return to full strength, maybe ever, but he managed to put up good numbers on a worthless offensive unit this past season. During the pre-draft hype in 2004, KWII was rated very high and deservedly so. CJ also deserves as much hype as he is getting. All this talk of the draft being a crapshoot always makes my eyes roll. Sure the draft is a crapshoot in some respect, but don't tell me GM's and teams do not hit more home runs with first rounders than in any other round. CJ's hype is based on all the factors that draft picks are graded upon. Film, measurables, and character. On film he looked like he was playing with children and had he not had a horrible QB/offense he would have posted up greater numbers. His measurables need not mentioning; I mean come on, 6'4"-4.3 40 time, etc, etc. Last but not least, his interviews with scouts and investigations into his life have unearthed a person who is nothing short of good man and a hard worker. That is why his draft status is solidified as the #1 prospect in this years draft. Btw, Sean Taylor was rated the highest player on almost every team's draft board in 2004, besides Manning and Gallery, so it was a no-brainer for the 'Skins brass to select him when their pick came up and he was still available. Rivers was picked cuz of the whole Manning debacle and Fitzgerald was picked before Taylor cuz of his ties to Dennis Green. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dreamshatterer Posted March 19, 2007 Share Posted March 19, 2007 We passed on Winslow cause the FO knew we would draft another TE who had a better year in all major TE categories. Except 1 (can't remeber at the moment). We drafted Chris Cooley that year. The college season prior, Cooley had a much more productive year then Winslow. Obviously, Winslow got the light on him cause he played at the "U" and the history of his fathers playing days. Oh, and Winslow is a ****ing soldier. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sitting bull Posted March 19, 2007 Share Posted March 19, 2007 Sean Taylor was the best player in the draft... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brandon Lloyd Christmas Posted March 19, 2007 Share Posted March 19, 2007 ill believe this CJ hype when i see him matched up against an NFL CB, not some scrub from some college ive never heard of. its a known fact that lots of college defenses suck, so no one has ever seen CJ playing against any top flight talent. if hes lighting it up after week 2 next season, ill believe the hype. until then, DL please. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kramdizzle Posted March 19, 2007 Share Posted March 19, 2007 you can be a good to great reciever but you need a QB to throw you the ball. they never had that in detroit and the dont ahve it in Cleveland. we should draft for D, but what will we do?? thats up in teh air Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrimReefa Posted March 19, 2007 Share Posted March 19, 2007 First of all, can we please stop talking about Calvin Johnson? He is not going to be available with the sixth pick in the draft. Second of all, who is to say how KWII would have fit into this offense? He has missed the first two seasons of his career due to injury - he may be the greatest TE of all time when it is said and done. Also, this offense has turned Chris Cooley, who was a no-name coming out of college and has half of KWII's physical gifts, into a household name in the Washington area, as well as a minor star nationwide. Anyone who plays fantasy football, and there are milions of them, knows who Chris Cooley is very well. If KWII lived up to his reputation in Washington the sky is the limit to what his production could have been. And, oh yeah, one more time: Calvin Johnson is not falling to the #6 pick. End of discussion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KirkNC Posted March 19, 2007 Share Posted March 19, 2007 If CJ was around at 6 (which he will not) the question would be "How much is another team willing to give up to get him?" If it is a boatload of pics and/or players you take that; if not you take CJ and are happy because you just got a sure thing in a roll the dice game. CJ is about as sure a thing as there is coming out of the draft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Russell Shotgun Posted March 19, 2007 Share Posted March 19, 2007 I'm getting tired of all the CJ threads. No way in hell he's available at #6. Someone above us is either going to grab him or someone below us will trade with someone above us to grab him. Either way, we can end this discussion. On a side note, the KWII debate got me thinking - how awesome must it be to be Chris Cooley? Unknown coming out of college, never expected to make it, now he's a superstar in Washington and the most popular player on the team dating the hottest (ex)cheerleader. That's the American Dream for you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Troy Fakeman Posted March 19, 2007 Share Posted March 19, 2007 If CJ was around at 6 (which he will not) the question would be "How much is another team willing to give up to get him?"If it is a boatload of pics and/or players you take that; if not you take CJ and are happy because you just got a sure thing in a roll the dice game. CJ is about as sure a thing as there is coming out of the draft. I am fully prepared for him not being there at 6...and in all honesty...he may not make it past Detroit. History, of all things, doesn't allow any of us to dispute that. CJ is the real deal - those up in here...saying otherwise...are just bitter b/c their opinion is quite the opposite...drafting a DE...DT...because its what we "need"... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Veretax Posted March 19, 2007 Share Posted March 19, 2007 First of all, can we please stop talking about Calvin Johnson? He is not going to be available with the sixth pick in the draft.Second of all, who is to say how KWII would have fit into this offense? He has missed the first two seasons of his career due to injury - he may be the greatest TE of all time when it is said and done. Also, this offense has turned Chris Cooley, who was a no-name coming out of college and has half of KWII's physical gifts, into a household name in the Washington area, as well as a minor star nationwide. Anyone who plays fantasy football, and there are milions of them, knows who Chris Cooley is very well. If KWII lived up to his reputation in Washington the sky is the limit to what his production could have been. And, oh yeah, one more time: Calvin Johnson is not falling to the #6 pick. End of discussion. You know what prepare to eat crow when he does fall. And the speculation won't stop till after the draft so get over it already. If CJ was around at 6 (which he will not) the question would be "How much is another team willing to give up to get him?"If it is a boatload of pics and/or players you take that; if not you take CJ and are happy because you just got a sure thing in a roll the dice game. CJ is about as sure a thing as there is coming out of the draft. Amen to that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seabee1973 Posted March 19, 2007 Share Posted March 19, 2007 I am fully prepared for him not being there at 6...and in all honesty...he may not make it past Detroit. History, of all things, doesn't allow any of us to dispute that. CJ is the real deal - those up in here...saying otherwise...are just bitter b/c their opinion is quite the opposite...drafting a DE...DT...because its what we "need"... because we do need defense if we cant stop anybody like last year we wont win many games no matter how many points we put up. We couldnt even sniff the QB last season Forcing a few more punts or turnovers will help the offense out alot more than an offensive player will. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Califan007 The Constipated Posted March 19, 2007 Share Posted March 19, 2007 We couldnt even sniff the QB last season Forcing a few more punts or turnovers will help the offense out alot more than an offensive player will. A-freakin-men... Give me our current offense with shorter fields due to more turnovers, sacks and 3-and-outs, and you'll swear CJ was indeed playing for us. Give us our current defense with CJ on offense, and we're saying things like "If this offense were coupled with even an average defense, we'd be in the playoffs. When is this FO going to finally get decent D-line help?!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bliz Posted March 19, 2007 Share Posted March 19, 2007 ]']Picking Calvin Johnson at number 6 is stupid enough' date=' trading up for him is even stupider than drafting a WR in the top 10 three straight years.[/quote']If we pick CJ at 6 (which we won't have the opportunity to), I predict Ghost and half the other people ****ing about it will have CJ sigs and/or jerseys within 2 years. Trading up for him may be stupid, with our current scenario, but picking him at 6 is FAR less stupid than passing on him at 6. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cphil006 Posted March 19, 2007 Share Posted March 19, 2007 CJ would be agreat asset to this team. Another target to throw to besides Santana Moss. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Troy Fakeman Posted March 19, 2007 Share Posted March 19, 2007 If we pick CJ at 6 (which we won't have the opportunity to), I predict Ghost and half the other people ****ing about it will have CJ sigs and/or jerseys within 2 years. Trading up for him may be stupid, with our current scenario, but picking him at 6 is FAR less stupid than passing on him at 6. Hmmm... Ghost...and all of those people that include the words "stupid" and "Calvin Johnson" in the same sentence...have absolutely nothing to fall back on. All they have...is "Charles Rogers"... And when they say that...just combat with "Courtney Brown" - and thus...the cycle of debate is over. Ghost...B Lloyd Xmas...and all of those who oppose the acquisition of Calvin Johnson...apparently know a lot more than the following that are involved with NFL Analysis: 1.) Mel Kiper 2.) Peter King 3.) John Clayton 4.) Seth Wickersham 5.) Matt Williamson 6.) Len Pastabelly 7.) Michael Smith 8.) Todd McShay 9.) Clark Judge 10.) EVERY NFL SCOUT ON THE FACE OF THE PLANET See what I'm getting at? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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