rdsknbill Posted March 8, 2007 Share Posted March 8, 2007 Pastabelli carries no "weight" with me. HOWEVER, there were some observations of the Coach saying that Ramsey "WAS the starter" only to yank him after the first game. just an observation Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BleedBNG Posted March 8, 2007 Share Posted March 8, 2007 YES. Actually as previously pointed out and meticulously ingnored gibbs had said the starting job was Ramsey's to lose(that season) and then Ramsey gets a little dinged in the 1st quarter of the first game of that season brunell is in there in the blink of an eye. Yeah that would have broken my head to if I were trying to make it as a qb in the NFL too. One of the very few things I have ever had a real problem with coach gibbs over. I'm not psycho analyzing Ramsey. I'll let you and Lenny do that. I'm just telling you the reason Gibbs kept him out, because geuss what... he didn't have to start him in the first place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doctorfro Posted March 8, 2007 Share Posted March 8, 2007 Did Gibbs handle the Ramsey situation properly? Absolutely NOT! Did he shatter his confidence? Absolutely NOT! Patrick can play. He could start for a few teams and is probably a good back up for some others. Nuff said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
One Shot Posted March 8, 2007 Share Posted March 8, 2007 i don't get it, why would anyone take a shot at Joe Gibbs? lenny, you're a prick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hauss Posted March 8, 2007 Share Posted March 8, 2007 And how did his time with the Jets help him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BleedBNG Posted March 8, 2007 Share Posted March 8, 2007 Did Gibbs handle the Ramsey situation properly? Absolutely NOT! Yes he did. Otherwise we would have missed out on one of the greatest moments in Redskins history the following week... Washington 14 - Dallas 13. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SinisterJay Posted March 8, 2007 Share Posted March 8, 2007 its all crap i say Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hiro Posted March 8, 2007 Share Posted March 8, 2007 Maybe Ramsey did slightly better then an injured Brunell at the end of 04, but did he make a case to be the starting QB during the preseason? Heck no, he look atrocious, versus Brunell who actually looked solid. Everyone needs to friggin move on from this Ramsey mancrush, we have our future QB in Campbell, who I feel looked better in his few games then Ramsey ever did in his whole career. /rant Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoCalMike Posted March 8, 2007 Share Posted March 8, 2007 It seems a lot of sportswriters forget that Steve Spurrier was here after Marty and before the return of Gibbs, I have seen on numerous occassions lazy sportswriters blame Gibbs for things that happened under Spurrier. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slacky McSlackAss Posted March 8, 2007 Share Posted March 8, 2007 Im sick in tired of this fat*** pulling crap out of his ass to trash the skins. First he says Monk doesnt deserve to be in the HOF and now this. Im done with espn.com as long as hes still writing for them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bonez3 Posted March 8, 2007 Share Posted March 8, 2007 How bot how near COY Mangini handled Ramsey? Pocket presence, nice analysis big Len... have you ever even watched him play in one game or do you just geet paid to have an opinion based on imagination. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redman Posted March 8, 2007 Share Posted March 8, 2007 What teams are pursuing him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedskinzOwnU Posted March 8, 2007 Share Posted March 8, 2007 Yea sorry but Gibbs definitely helped to **** ramsey up. He gave up draft picks to get Brunell and then he gave him a huge salary when we didnt even need him to begin with. He played an injured brunell over ramsey in year 1 and then pulled him after a quarter when he finally became the starter. It was a raw deal for Ramsey all the way around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seabee1973 Posted March 8, 2007 Share Posted March 8, 2007 Yes he did. Otherwise we would have missed out on one of the greatest moments in Redskins history the following week... Washington 14 - Dallas 13. we might have won 41-10 with ramsey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TGibson810 Posted March 8, 2007 Share Posted March 8, 2007 Patrick Ramsey is not an NFL-type starting QB. You have to understand where he's coming from. He is a small school(Tulane) 1st round draft pick. Teams became enamored with his arm strength, and he never got used to the speed of the defenses in the League. Shall we look at some other 1st round small school draft picks since 1994... Trent Dilfer(Fresno), Jim Drunkenmiller(VT, before they were GOOD), Ryan Leaf(Wash St.), Tim Couch (KY), Akili Smith (Oregon), David Carr (Fresno), Joey Harrington (Oregon), Patrick Ramsey, . Not all of those are Non-BCS schools but none of those schools were competing in a major conference for National Champioship. After 2002 the jury is still out, with only less than 5 years in the league. The only three Quarterbacks drafted in the first round that you can say are legitimate Franchise QB's are Peyton, Donovan, and Carson, (And McNair has had his moments). I firmly believe the reason behind this is that when a QB gets drafted in the first round the pressure and expectations are WAY too high for them to start and contribute immediately. QB's aren't RB's. They are still valuable after 30 and possibly even more valuable then. So why is it that teams keep throwing these guys in there so soon? Because GM's want a quick return on their investment, when in actuality they should just be patient and see if they develop into your system. Quick question: in the past 30 Years, what is the least tenured QB to win MVP (Not including Kurt Warner who was 28 when he came into the league, and had already played professional football), and least tenured RB? RB - 2 years, Walter Payton 1977 (1st Round Draft Pick) QB - 5 Years, Brett Favre 1995 (2nd Round Draft Pick) Even in the case of two hall of famers my point resonates loudly. Brett Favre wasn't expected to win early, he rode the pine in ATL his first season and started shaky his first season with the Pack. But after a couple seasons he got it. So BACK to Patrick Ramsey. He was expected to do TOO much TOO soon, and although his arm strength is great, I don't believe he was ever ready for adversity, he coasted to a double digit win season in TU and never had to perservere and now can't. Joe Gibbs saw that and realized that Brunell, who led us to a playoff season when starting, was the better leader. So in summation, Ramsey sucks, good riddance, go Skins. WOW that was long-winded and unneccesary, hahaha Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elkabong82 Posted March 8, 2007 Share Posted March 8, 2007 Yea sorry but Gibbs definitely helped to **** ramsey up. He gave up draft picks to get Brunell and then he gave him a huge salary when we didnt even need him to begin with. He played an injured brunell over ramsey in year 1 and then pulled him after a quarter when he finally became the starter. It was a raw deal for Ramsey all the way around. Spurrier and Ramsey ****ed Ramsey up. Gibbs obviously didn't see potential in Ramsey, or he would have never traded in the draft to get Campbell. Ramsey was told by the Jets he would have a shot at battling Pennington for the starting spot. ramsey lost the battle and Pennington was named starter BEFORE preseason. Pastabelly lost all credibility (what little he had to begin with) when he said Ramsey has pocket pressence. His entire career as a Skin, Ramsey never looked comfortable in the pocket, and his play suffered greatly as a result. Gibbs has won all of his Superbowls with different QBs. I'll trust his opinion in sticking with Brunell and ousting Ramsey. Afterall, it got us to the playoffs, and a victory once there. Something the Cowboys haven't done in over a decade, and the Giants haven't done in quite some time either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seabee1973 Posted March 8, 2007 Share Posted March 8, 2007 Maybe Ramsey did slightly better then an injured Brunell at the end of 04, but did he make a case to be the starting QB during the preseason? Heck no, he look atrocious, versus Brunell who actually looked solid. Everyone needs to friggin move on from this Ramsey mancrush, we have our future QB in Campbell, who I feel looked better in his few games then Ramsey ever did in his whole career. /rant Brunell was also playing against second stringers in the preseason and he didnt exactly light it up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimster Posted March 8, 2007 Share Posted March 8, 2007 Hate to say I agree totally w/ Pastabelly this time which is very rare. Gibbs said he trusted Ramsey but then he takes him out after the first or second possession when he got roughed up from a sack and never put him back in. Spurrier made him have the happy feet leaving him as a sitting duck, but a good coach, which Gibbs is, is supposed to make him unlearn what he had learned under Spurrier. Spurrier messed him up, but Gibbs just made him even worse. Gibbs made him worse?:laugh: Actually he played for a quarter and a half in that Bears game and turned the ball over three times. Gibbs handed him the job at the end of 2004 and did everything he could to boost his confidence throughout the off-season by talking him up, "he's our guy", etc. He went into camp as the number 1 and started the first three pre-season games and looked horrible. Meanwhile, Brunell looks like the Brunell of old. Ramsey was given the chance. It was his job to lose, and he lost it. Gibbs had to make a tough decision for the good of the team, and it apparently was the right one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimster Posted March 8, 2007 Share Posted March 8, 2007 we might have won 41-10 with ramsey do remember the pass rush in that game? - We would have lost that game horrifically with Ramsey in there. Brunell and the defense kept us in that game. Moss won it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seabee1973 Posted March 8, 2007 Share Posted March 8, 2007 Gibbs made him worse?:laugh:Actually he played for a quarter and a half in that Bears game and turned the ball over three times. Gibbs handed him the job at the end of 2004 and did everything he could to boost his confidence throughout the off-season by talking him up, "he's our guy", etc. He went into camp as the number 1 and started the first three pre-season games and looked horrible. Meanwhile, Brunell looks like the Brunell of old. Ramsey was given the chance. It was his job to lose, and he lost it. Gibbs had to make a tough decision for the good of the team, and it apparently was the right one.[/QUO ok 3 interceptions but except for the first one if patten hadnt had pushed off in the endzone we probably would have had a touchdown And the hit other hit both of us and 99 percent of the average person would have fumbled that ball Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WorldBFree76 Posted March 8, 2007 Share Posted March 8, 2007 That's too funny. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMUGator19 Posted March 8, 2007 Share Posted March 8, 2007 umm... it pains me to say this, but to pastabelly's credit.... he said that Gibbs mishandled him, not stunted his growth... and as much as ill always defend Gibbs, im not gonna go so far as say Gibbs treated him like a son. He benched him for Brunell, twice, the second time for an in game injury early in the season after naming him the true starter. Then if that wasnt enough he went ahead and drafted Jason Campbell... mishandled is actually a pretty generous word there... but i still agree with the Gibbs move.. hahaha Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BleedBNG Posted March 8, 2007 Share Posted March 8, 2007 umm... it pains me to say this, but to pastabelly's credit.... he said that Gibbs mishandled him... :laugh: Of course, because to McButterpants, he'd still want Ramsey starting for us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tn_skin_fan_21 Posted March 8, 2007 Share Posted March 8, 2007 i think it was kinda messed up but its the past now and maybe he will get to start somewhere else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
panel Posted March 8, 2007 Share Posted March 8, 2007 Well, Gibbs pulling Ramsey after one drive in the first game after 100% commiting to him as the starter certianly didn't GIVE him any confidence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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