Is anyone else besides me, uncomfortable with Barak Obama becoming our next Pres.?

[Thanos]

Notice I didn't say FEDERAL government, Thanos. I don't believe there's any state that has health care as a prescibed benefit/power of the government.

You mentioned the prison system... I don't believe that anything beyond basic medical care should be given to prisoners.

We do need to wake up... wake up and move away from government influence in yet another private industry. Before it's too late.

Cmon Mass admit.This is the real reason Obama scares you.:rant:

[headexplode]

Cmon Mass admit.This is the real reason Obama scares you.:rant:

Absolutely effing hilarious. And hot, too.

I mean, I actually guffawed.

[Mass_SkinsFan]

Cmon Mass admit.This is the real reason Obama scares you.:rant:

I'm GUESSING that you're trying to make an inter-racial dating comment with your response and that photograph.

I believe the Senator's wife is of the same racial background that he is, so that's obviously not an issue.

On the issue in general, I'd suggest next time backing it up with something other than a posed photograph from a soft-core porno issue of a sports magazine. Assuming that the photograph wasn't posed.... The two people pictured are both apparently adults and more than capable of making their own decisions on who to fraternize with. If she was my daughter or girlfriend, we'd be having a conversation on several issues, but that's a personal thing.

Now let's try to get this back on topic. Or at least back to the last hijacked subject vaguely related to the topic.

[Thanos]

I'm GUESSING that you're trying to make an inter-racial dating comment with your response and that photograph.

I believe the Senator's wife is of the same racial background that he is, so that's obviously not an issue.

On the issue in general, I'd suggest next time backing it up with something other than a posed photograph from a soft-core porno issue of a sports magazine. Assuming that the photograph wasn't posed.... The two people pictured are both apparently adults and more than capable of making their own decisions on who to fraternize with. If she was my daughter or girlfriend, we'd be having a conversation on several issues, but that's a personal thing.

Now let's try to get this back on topic. Or at least back to the last hijacked subject vaguely related to the topic.

Where is the patented sense of humor I've read about?

Give me three concrete reasons why you won't vote for Sen. Obama based on legislation he's authored or policy issues?

[Air Force Cane]

Originally Posted by Air Force Cane

if he was white he would have the same media coverage as Dennis Kucinich.

...or maybe John Edwards four years ago - some people just have "it."

I agree with you on that one. And notice how Edward's OWN STATE of North Carolina voted against him in the 04 election. He wasn't qualified either.

They are basically clones of each other, other than the fact that Edward's being a slimy ambulance chaser- while Obama is a less slimy constitutional lawyer.

Other than Obama admitting to frequent cocaine use and the color of their skin, he and Edwards are the same empty suits :mad:

[TradeTheBeal!]

Originally Posted by Air Force Cane

if he was white he would have the same media coverage as Dennis Kucinich.

...or maybe John Edwards four years ago - some people just have "it."

I agree with you on that one. And notice how Edward's OWN STATE of North Carolina voted against him in the 04 election. He wasn't qualified either.

They are basically clones of each other, other than the fact that Edward's being a slimy ambulance chaser- while Obama is a less slimy constitutional lawyer.

Other than Obama admitting to frequent cocaine use and the color of their skin, he and Edwards are the same empty suits :mad:

Like you and John Ashcroft, except you like girls and have far less money!

[Air Force Cane]

for HSW who obviously has the reading comprehension skills of a 6 year old:

I NEVER STATED HE WAS A MUSLIM.

I wrote "Father was a Muslim. Step-father was a Muslim"

You are the one who decided to interpret that into some kind of nonsense. Sure, great he is a Christian in a weird type of Chicago church. So what does that have to do with his background in Indonesia?

Todd the Troll can call me as many names as he wishes- that doesn't change the fact that Hussein Obama is not going to be elected President of the United States.

I will wager 200 dollars on that right now.

[Zen-like Todd]

for HSW who obviously has the reading comprehension skills of a 6 year old:

I NEVER STATED HE WAS A MUSLIM.

I wrote "Father was a Muslim. Step-father was a Muslim"

You are the one who decided to interpret that into some kind of nonsense. Sure, great he is a Christian in a weird type of Chicago church. So what does that have to do with his background in Indonesia?

Todd the Troll can call me as many names as he wishes- that doesn't change the fact that Hussein Obama is not going to be elected President of the United States.

I will wager 200 dollars on that right now.

Just like the time you challenged chomerics to a bet on the number of Democrats who would win congressional seats in this past election? How'd that work out for you buddy? That's a mighty fine track record you've got there AFC. Really man, you're becoming a caricature.

[Mass_SkinsFan]

Where is the patented sense of humor I've read about?

It only exists in place where humor is appropriate. Politics is not one of those places. EVER.

Give me three concrete reasons why you won't vote for Sen. Obama based on legislation he's authored or policy issues?

I did a quick Google search on Obama's name and legislation. I came up with three legislative issues without even getting to the bottom of the first page:

Obama was involved in the Deceptve Practices and Voter Intimidation Prevention Act of 2005. Personally, I'd like to see the qualifications for voters in this country raised substantially. If people are too stupid or scared to know the particulars of voting, they probably aren't the people I want voting anyway.

Obama was involved in presenting a binding resolution to force redeployment of American forces in Iraq before March 31, 2008. Again that's a piece of legislation I would be totally against.

Lastly, Obama co-authored a bill to approve $20 Million in aid to African Union peacekeeping forces in the Sudan. Seems Mr. Obama feels the citizens of Sudan are more important than the citizens of Iraq. NO monies should be going to ANY foreign military force. Including the United Nations.

Should I go on?

[luckydevil]

While I am not a Obama fan, I find most conservatives attacks on Obama amusing. It is obvious that they fear him ( in terms of political capital).

As for the healthcare debate, we essentially do have socialized healthcare in this country. Just a REALLY inefficient one. If we go the European route (which seems likely), I hope we embrace the French model not the British model

[Zen-like Todd]

While I am not a Obama fan, I find most conservatives attacks on Obama amusing. It is obvious that they fear him ( in terms of political capital).

As for the healthcare debate, we essentially do have socialized healthcare in this country. Just a REALLY inefficient one. If we go the European route (which seems likely), I hope we embrace the French model not the British model

I noticed the same thing. There definitely seems to be a lot of fear on that side of the aisle. It really is pretty amusing.

[HSW]

for HSW who obviously has the reading comprehension skills of a 6 year old:

I NEVER STATED HE WAS A MUSLIM.

I wrote "Father was a Muslim. Step-father was a Muslim"

You are the one who decided to interpret that into some kind of nonsense. Sure, great he is a Christian in a weird type of Chicago church. So what does that have to do with his background in Indonesia?

Todd the Troll can call me as many names as he wishes- that doesn't change the fact that Hussein Obama is not going to be elected President of the United States.

I will wager 200 dollars on that right now.

Troll says what?

[Kilmer17]

Exactly. We are not even close to fitting these definitions, but you and Kilmer are faithful to the Republican party the way I am faithful to the Redskins. It's just your team and you will root for them through thick and thin. I thought Patrick Ramsey was going to be a good QB because I wear burgundy and gold glasses, you literally think Dems are socialists because you wear Republican goggles. Go Team!

Im fairly certain Im on record here supporting not one, but two Dems for President in 08 (Warner or Schweitzer). As well as stating emphatically that I would have voted for Lieberman if he had won the nomination in 04. Further, I voted for Dems in the last election for 2 of the 3 state positions as well as my state rep.

It's convenient for your argument to paint with such a broad brush, we all do it to some degree. It's hard to actually use facts in the debate.

[JMac]

Dont worry about Obama, worry about IT!

[Predicto]

I am uncomfortable with Obama being our next president. I do not think he has sufficient experience for the most important job in the world.

I think he would do better than the clown we currently have in there, but so would most McDonalds managers, truck drivers, or carnival sideshow geeks.

My standards are a little higher than that.

ps - he is not muslim. Where did you hear that? You might want to question the usefulness of any such information source.

[Friend of the Devil]

He's not Muslim. Religion should be disregarded from politics anyway. IMO.

[88Comrade2000]

Amen to that!

And this upcoming election will be my first chance to vote for prez since I will be 18, and believe you me, Barack's got my vote.

Barracks only got your vote if he's on the ballot. When is the MD presidential primary? Also, you'd have to register as democrat to vote for him; unless your state is one of those states with open primaries.

I seriously doubt; you'll get a change to vote for him as president in fall ballot.

[chomerics]

As for the healthcare debate, we essentially do have socialized healthcare in this country. Just a REALLY inefficient one. If we go the European route (which seems likely), I hope we embrace the French model not the British model

What is the difference in the two models?

[luckydevil]

What is the difference in the two models?

It is much more market friendly, it is more of a mixed system.

[chomerics]

It is much more market friendly, it is more of a mixed system.

Thanks, I'll do some reading on the two.

I am personally interested to see how our state comes out with our socialized health care. This model, from what I have read, will work, and it is market friendly, but puts the onus on business' to pay for health care. They will receive a tax rebate if they pay their employees health care, or a tax penalty if they do not. In other words, they are taxing business that do not offer health care to their employees (I believe it is over 15 employees, but I am not sure of the number).

This state has two things which will allow it to work.

1. A wealthy state which has a high tax revenue (although low on a % basis)

2. A population which is small.

Because of these two things, it is a feasible plan, but I am curious to see how it plays out. We will still have our HMOs and current plans through our employers, but the non-insured (about 20% off the top of my head) will now have their health insurance taken care of as well. They models also predict less emergency room visits which decrease costs. Either way, I want to see IF it can work before I take the jump and back a government health care system, I am skeptical to say the least.

[Mass_SkinsFan]

Because of these two things, it is a feasible plan, but I am curious to see how it plays out. We will still have our HMOs and current plans through our employers, but the non-insured (about 20% off the top of my head) will now have their health insurance taken care of as well. They models also predict less emergency room visits which decrease costs. Either way, I want to see IF it can work before I take the jump and back a government health care system, I am skeptical to say the least.

Yep. You and I are going to get to pay for the health care of the bums, beggars, welfare recipients and other people that our society would be much better off without. Instead of allowing them to week themselves out of society we're going to make them more physically healthy so they can continue raping the taxpayers of Massachusetts through other social programs. Really bright idea.

Hopefully the program will be an abysmal failure and show the rest of the country that socialized ANYTHING is an abhoration, contrary to any level of human morals and values, and doomed to failure from the start.

[dockeryfan]

Insinuating Barak Obama is Muslim to turn public opinion against him is about as bad as

designing Willie Horton ads to use race as a means to influence votes.

Both use racism and fear to swing votes. They are untrue and slanderous. Family values=joke.

[BAFGA]

He's not Muslim. Religion should be disregarded from politics anyway. IMO.

Tell that to Al-Qaeda.

Tell that to Pat Robertson, Jerry Falwell, Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson.

I agree that religion should be disregarded from politics, but as long as people have an agenda it will never be.

[G.A.C.O.L.B.]

I am uncomfortable with Obama being our next president. I do not think he has sufficient experience for the most important job in the world.

I think he would do better than the clown we currently have in there, but so would most McDonalds managers, truck drivers, or carnival sideshow geeks.

My standards are a little higher than that.

ps - he is not muslim. Where did you hear that? You might want to question the usefulness of any such information source.

So Hillary, Edwards, and McCain all have more experience but yet they were all wrong about Iraq and Obama was dead on about it. That says to me that experience is vastly overrated.

[luckydevil]

. That says to me that experience is vastly overrated.

Yes it is