pvkeeper19 Posted January 18, 2007 Share Posted January 18, 2007 Just get Smoot and Harper for what Samuel would be paid. Harper is going to be 33 next season. He's older than Shawn Springs, who will turn 32 this March. I think it's pretty well documented what happens when we sign old veterans. The free agent market isn't very impressive at corner this coming offseason. I could see us giving a versatile guy like Jordan Babineaux a look because he has played both corner and safety. Unfortunately he's a restricted free agent, and we can't afford to give up draft picks for a player of his caliber. David Macklin might get a look. I just don't think it's wise to spend big time on Samuel or Clements. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[[ghost]] Posted January 18, 2007 Share Posted January 18, 2007 i don't blame him for not taking whatever the pats offered. they low-ball everyone. i'd still take him, even if he wants earn as much money as possible and *gulp* has a tattoo. I agree. Think about it. Playing in the NFL is VERY hard work. Asante Samuel came into the league and did well. I know when Ty law left, he had like 10 interceptions with the Jets. I wouldn't mind Samuels leaving the Pats, and picking off 10 passes, especially if he pulled a hat trick on Romo sits to pee :laugh: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pjfootballer Posted January 18, 2007 Share Posted January 18, 2007 Nate Clements doesn't really pull in too many interceptions FF INT 2001 Bills 65 55 10 3 3 2002 Bills 64 51 13 0 6 2003 Bills 62 51 11 3 0 2004 Bills 78 58 20 5 6 2005 Bills 102 81 21 3 2 2006 Bills 72 56 16 2 3 any reason why? He's a great cover corner who doesn't get thrown on very much. May explain why he has low INT totals. Plus Buffalo doesn't have much of a pass rush like us, so it may have limited his opportunities. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pjfootballer Posted January 18, 2007 Share Posted January 18, 2007 Plan B, yes. I dont remember the limitations involved in that. I remember Eric Dickerson was the first really high-profile guy to use it when he went to the Colts. Actually Dickerson was traded in a 10 player deal that sent him to the Colts. Here is the link to the details to the trade. http://www.profootballhof.com/history/decades/1980s/eric_dickerson.jsp Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pjfootballer Posted January 18, 2007 Share Posted January 18, 2007 Here is the history of plan B free agency and how it worked: For many years, NFL players' mobility was limited by the so-called "Rozelle Rule", named for the commissioner who first implemented it, which allowed the commissioner to "compensate" any team who lost a free agent to another team by taking something of equivalent value, usually draft picks, from the team that had signed the free agent and giving it to the team which the player had left. Fear of losing several future high draft picks greatly limited free agency as no team wanted to sign a veteran player only to learn that it would lose, for example, its next two first-round draft picks. The Rozelle Rule was eventually replaced by "Plan B", which allowed a team to name a thirty-seven man roster to which the reserve clause would apply, and all players not included on this list were to become free agents. Obviously, few top-echelon players were left off of this thirty-seven man roster unless they happened to be injured. Courts eventually ruled this plan to be an antitrust violation, and something resembling true free agency came to pro football. Now, exclusive rights to a player are only for the first three years after his selection in the college draft; in the next period of the career, a player can be a "restricted free agent", allowing his former team to match any offer made to him by another; after six years in the NFL all contracts end with the player becoming an unrestricted free agent without reserve. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NavyDave Posted January 18, 2007 Share Posted January 18, 2007 The Skins are not going to able to afford Samuels or Clements. I'm serious!!!There are too many other teams interested who have much more cap space. I'm thinking that myself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry Gude Posted January 18, 2007 Share Posted January 18, 2007 Asante Samuel = Product of Patriots system Yeah, and Washington Redskins = Product of the Washington Redskins system. New England just keeps on reloading and finding a way with what they do, not who they buy in. Samuels absolutely fits into how we do things. The Pats know damn well they can find and coach someone else to play well at corner. Us, we're undefeated in the FA market. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mistertim Posted January 18, 2007 Share Posted January 18, 2007 He was weighted down by all the gold bling he was wearing. :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: Seriously, 5.4 is freaking slow. I'm not really a fan of bringing him in here, but I do have to admit he obviously works hard to get where he wants to be. Going from 5.4 to good CB speed is not easy. Question is...once he is there does he continue to work hard or just sit back and rake in the cash? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
da#1skinsfan Posted January 18, 2007 Share Posted January 18, 2007 They said the same thing about Ty Law......and even at his age now he's still exceeding expectations. Id take him over Clements. What have we got to lose, let's roll. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morneblade Posted January 19, 2007 Share Posted January 19, 2007 Here is the history of plan B free agency and how it worked:For many years, NFL players' mobility was limited by the so-called "Rozelle Rule", named for the commissioner who first implemented it, which allowed the commissioner to "compensate" any team who lost a free agent to another team by taking something of equivalent value, usually draft picks, from the team that had signed the free agent and giving it to the team which the player had left. Fear of losing several future high draft picks greatly limited free agency as no team wanted to sign a veteran player only to learn that it would lose, for example, its next two first-round draft picks. The Rozelle Rule was eventually replaced by "Plan B", which allowed a team to name a thirty-seven man roster to which the reserve clause would apply, and all players not included on this list were to become free agents. Obviously, few top-echelon players were left off of this thirty-seven man roster unless they happened to be injured. Courts eventually ruled this plan to be an antitrust violation, and something resembling true free agency came to pro football. Now, exclusive rights to a player are only for the first three years after his selection in the college draft; in the next period of the career, a player can be a "restricted free agent", allowing his former team to match any offer made to him by another; after six years in the NFL all contracts end with the player becoming an unrestricted free agent without reserve. Actually Dickerson was traded in a 10 player deal that sent him to the Colts.Here is the link to the details to the trade. http://www.profootballhof.com/history/decades/1980s/eric_dickerson.jsp Wow, nice work on how FA came to be, and why Plan B was called Plan B. And apprently my memory isnt as good as I thought it was, nice call on the Dickerson trade. Wish he had stayed in L.A., he would have put up some insane numbers there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mercuryrising Posted January 19, 2007 Share Posted January 19, 2007 if they're so smart how'd they ever let us get our hands on david patten? oh wait... :laugh: DOn't forget Fauria too! Man those Patriots are stupid! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OVCChairman Posted January 19, 2007 Share Posted January 19, 2007 Asante Samuel = Product of Patriots system just like every one of thier players. they cant go anywhere else and succeed. the Redskins are the opposite though, players faulter as a product of our system then they leave and have the best seasons of thier career.... :doh: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pjfootballer Posted January 19, 2007 Share Posted January 19, 2007 Wow, nice work on how FA came to be, and why Plan B was called Plan B. And apprently my memory isnt as good as I thought it was, nice call on the Dickerson trade. Wish he had stayed in L.A., he would have put up some insane numbers there. I agree. The Rams had a better line and the Colts were horrible back then. He had one great game on a Monday night/Halloween when the Colts beat Denver like 55-21 and Dickerson had like 150+ yards and 4 TDs. I would've loved to have had Dickerson in Fantasy Football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
illone Posted January 19, 2007 Share Posted January 19, 2007 Yea, damn him for wanting to get paid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fifty Gut Posted January 19, 2007 Author Share Posted January 19, 2007 Yea, damn him for wanting to get paid. do you not see how pathetic and corny it is to tattoo that on your arm? if your only priority in life is to "get paid", I don't want you on this team Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuryYourDuke Posted January 19, 2007 Share Posted January 19, 2007 Why does someone always have to take subjects to the point that is highlighted above? :doh: Why does race even have to enter this paticular topic? Plus, the statement was ignorant and totally false. And it's stereotype. OMG in heaven. Why do people have to be so hypersensitive? I don't think his statement is particularly accurate, but I am fairly certain he didn't mean to stir the racial hornet's nest that is extremeskins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nonefan Posted January 19, 2007 Share Posted January 19, 2007 i dont understand why people are making such a big deal about this tattoo. i mean really who doesn't want to get money? and honestly most black young men are raised with the idea of getting rich. im not trying to make a sterio type or anything thats really just the way it is. or atleast around the area i live in. its not that big of a deal. That's a racist statement and is not true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MRMADD Posted January 19, 2007 Share Posted January 19, 2007 That's a racist statement and is not true. Actually, I think all Americans are raised with the idea that they could get rich. It's the American dream. It's hardly racist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Digger Posted January 19, 2007 Share Posted January 19, 2007 I think the tattoo is a strong indication that he is coming to Washington. I expect that at any moment Andyman will post that the 'Skins are changing their name to the "Got Paids" and that the new team symbol will be a fist holding a wad of cash. The new colors will be US currency green and ink black. Snyder will make a fortune on this one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SHYSTER411 Posted January 19, 2007 Share Posted January 19, 2007 The "Got Paids" does sort of have a nice sound to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
illone Posted January 19, 2007 Share Posted January 19, 2007 do you not see how pathetic and corny it is to tattoo that on your arm?if your only priority in life is to "get paid", I don't want you on this team Does that mean I can't be a fan because I want to be paid, too? :laugh: I swear some of you live in some alter reality where everyone eats ice cream and loves puppy dogs. Do you not exist in this world to get paid to some extent? Big deal if the guy wants some lame tattoo on his arm. He's young, rich, and doesn't know any better. One day he might regret it, but right now he's enjoying himself. If that's enough for you to not want him on the team then you better stop watching football all together. Over 90% of the players in this league want to get paid. Clinton Portis largely credits himself for paving the way for other running backs in the league to make what they make. Do you want him off the team too? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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