MAATopDogg Posted November 21, 2006 Share Posted November 21, 2006 Here are some players which I believe will be cut at the end of this season. Hopefully we'll have a real GM in place to make these decisions. It's amazing the players in the first list either are underperforming, injured or are just flat out too old to justify what their making. The second list of players need their contract restructured so we can pursue a DE(Dwight Freeney) or CB(Nate Clemens). CUTS 2007 Cap Hit Adam Archuleta $2,428,000(Total waste. Domoted to ST) Mark Brunell $6,633,000(Injuries,Age,& can't throw deep) Phillp Daniels $3,100,000(FA BUST should have got J Kearse instead.) Christain Fauria $1,095,000(Can't block, too old, drops balls.) John Hall $1,965,000(Still a good kicker but injured too often) David Patten $3,012,000(Age, & couldn't crack the starting lineup) Renaldo Wynn $4,028,000 (injuries,age,salary outweights play.) TOTAL $22,261,000 in NON-producing players Players that need their contract restructured. 2007 Cap Hit Shawn Springs $7,358,000(is not what he once was but still good) Chris Samuels $8,600,000(way overrated,gets beaten by 2nd team DE's) Casey Rabach $3,650,000(average player,gets bullied by NT's and DT's) Jon Jansen $5,853,000(his play is in decline every year) Randy Thomas $5,412,000(Our best lineman,but not overpowering as he should be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drunken Master III Posted November 21, 2006 Share Posted November 21, 2006 Who needs extensions? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pez Posted November 21, 2006 Share Posted November 21, 2006 USe search http://www.extremeskins.com/forums/showthread.php?t=181768 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
USS Redskins Posted November 21, 2006 Share Posted November 21, 2006 The o-line is so disappointing... as is the D-Line. This is where the game is won and they Skins get overpowered just about every time. I hope they know where the holes are. The D Line is like a spaghetti strainer with all those holes! AA Sucks. Brunell bye bye Most of these guys are way overpaid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkinsNoles21 Posted November 21, 2006 Share Posted November 21, 2006 Campbell needs to be signed to a lifetime deal. yea....I said it after one start. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xero21 Posted November 21, 2006 Share Posted November 21, 2006 I dont think we can release Archuleta yet tho, the cap penalty would be big wouldnt it? Guess we're stuck with him :doh: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fred Jones Posted November 21, 2006 Share Posted November 21, 2006 I am just not happy with the player situation so I am going to post in both similar threads. I agree with the players listed to be cut. I doubt you will get any of the restructured list to agree to lower their contract. I think what you have to do is start bringing younger players and groom them for the future. I think Thomas has earned his contract and up until this year so has Jansen is kind of a mystery which I hope he solves in the offseason. Rabach is serviceable and probably not worth the contract, but you need a replacement which the team does not have and the replacement should not cost an arm and a leg. Maybe a couple of fingers, but that is it. I hope they find a replacement of Dockery if starts demanding big money. He is too inconsistent and would make a good backup/fill in player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigswanny Posted November 21, 2006 Share Posted November 21, 2006 I agree that Arch has had a pretty disappointing season but I really don't think cutting him after one year is the best choice. I will say it now that he will become an impact player next year, he just needs an adjustment period. AA = Scapegoat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nace14 Posted November 21, 2006 Share Posted November 21, 2006 Here are some players which I believe will be cut at the end of this season. Hopefully we'll have a real GM in place to make these decisions. It's amazing the players in the first list either are underperforming, injured or are just flat out too old to justify what their making. The second list of players need their contract restructured so we can pursue a DE(Dwight Freeney) or CB(Nate Clemens).CUTS 2007 Cap Hit Adam Archuleta $2,428,000(Total waste. Domoted to ST) Mark Brunell $6,633,000(Injuries,Age,& can't throw deep) Phillp Daniels $3,100,000(FA BUST should have got J Kearse instead.) Christain Fauria $1,095,000(Can't block, too old, drops balls.) John Hall $1,965,000(Still a good kicker but injured too often) David Patten $3,012,000(Age, & couldn't crack the starting lineup) Renaldo Wynn $4,028,000 (injuries,age,salary outweights play.) TOTAL $22,261,000 in NON-producing players Players that need their contract restructured. 2007 Cap Hit Shawn Springs $7,358,000(is not what he once was but still good) Chris Samuels $8,600,000(way overrated,gets beaten by 2nd team DE's) Casey Rabach $3,650,000(average player,gets bullied by NT's and DT's) Jon Jansen $5,853,000(his play is in decline every year) Randy Thomas $5,412,000(Our best lineman,but not overpowering as he should be. Samuels will never restructure again after our last go around with that. brunell will not be cut, that's not gonna happen. you can't cut two of d-ends in one year. there's a difference between a wish list and a cut list. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAATopDogg Posted November 21, 2006 Author Share Posted November 21, 2006 While still a disapointment, A. Carter I believe will be better next season. Which is why I am taking a wait an see approach on him. His salary is high but not that high. GW scheme doesn't utilize his talents the way it should and Carter needs to be surrounded by better talent in order to be the player he was in his first 2 years at SF. It makes Carter look like he only has 1 pass rush move. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary Clark Fan Posted November 21, 2006 Share Posted November 21, 2006 what do we do with AA after this season?? Is there anyway we can send him to a football camp so he can actually learn the basics of tackeling and playin pass d? I don't know but is he to old to attend Art Monk's football camp? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAATopDogg Posted November 21, 2006 Author Share Posted November 21, 2006 Samuels will never restructure again after our last go around with that. brunell will not be cut, that's not gonna happen. you can't cut two of d-ends in one year. there's a difference between a wish list and a cut list. I'm not saying Brunnell will get cut, but it is a strong possiblity. We can cut 2 D-ends in one year and replace them with newer ones. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TLusby Posted November 21, 2006 Share Posted November 21, 2006 AA could actually saves us $.595M if cut after June 1st and would carry $7.167M of deadcap space in 2008. Jansen if cut after June 1st would save $4.25M and would carry about $1.8M of dead cap for 2008. MB would carry deadcap into 2008 of $2.8M and Casey R. would carry $2.2M of deadcap space into 2008. The rest of the list not who are not mentioned above would carry less than $1M of deadcap space into 2008. Here is what they would save if cut after June 1st 2007, or designated as per the new CBA agreement: 8 Mark Brunell QB $5.200M 76 Jon Jansen OT $4.250M 97 Renaldo Wynn DE $2.500M 61 Casey Rabach OC $2.750 80 David Patten WR $1.250M 40 Adam Archuleta S $0.595M 10 John Hall K $1.500M Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phishisthegreatstuff Posted November 21, 2006 Share Posted November 21, 2006 AA could actually saves us $.595M if cut after June 1st and would carry $7.167M of deadcap space in 2008. Jansen if cut after June 1st would save $4.25M and would carry about $1.8M of dead cap for 2008. MB would carry deadcap into 2008 of $2.8M and Casey R. would carry $2.2M of deadcap space into 2008. The rest of the list not who are not mentioned above would carry less than $1M of deadcap space into 2008. Here is what they would save if cut after June 1st 2007, or designated as per the new CBA agreement:8 Mark Brunell QB $5.200M 76 Jon Jansen OT $4.250M 97 Renaldo Wynn DE $2.500M 61 Casey Rabach OC $2.750 80 David Patten WR $1.250M 40 Adam Archuleta S $0.595M 10 John Hall K $1.500M So does that mean we should or should not cut them...cause it would benefit us i guess in 2007 but not in 08...so what should we do? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Santana_Fan Posted November 21, 2006 Share Posted November 21, 2006 Who needs extensions? Some girl I know Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TLusby Posted November 22, 2006 Share Posted November 22, 2006 So does that mean we should or should not cut them...cause it would benefit us i guess in 2007 but not in 08...so what should we do? I am not saying who should be cut but outlining what the implications would be. Clearly MB should be cut or restructured. The cap increases another $4-5M next year and possibly another $4-5M in 2008. Essentially, we could easily afford the deadcap space in 2008 since we normally have $10M+ or so anyway. Every year the cap increases softens the blow. Every year is a new year and one the fans expect to win. I would make aggressive FA moves again this year and look to restructure or cut many of those players I listed. We could easily find $20M. I would get a stud CB, DT, and right OT. I would look for a young veteran MLB, and use Marshall for either WLB (if Rocky was a waste) or for LB depth. I would restructure Jansen and move him to LG and resign Dockery for OL depth. He should be reasonable. The stud FA DT along with Griffen will plug the middle again and keep blocks away from our LB. I would keep Daniels, resign Wynn to minimum if he would take it, and draft a young DE with our 1st rounder after we trade down one time to pick up another pick. The second pick I would get a Center to back up and replace Casey Rabach. I would also draft a kicker in the 6th or 7th round. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skins4481 Posted November 22, 2006 Share Posted November 22, 2006 Some girl I know lol! :laugh: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MoeRedskins Posted November 22, 2006 Share Posted November 22, 2006 Really, the only player the team needs to get rid of is Arch. Everybody else I think should come back. Not because they are any good, but I think we should punish them by making them earn their money here, not elsewhere like we have been doing with every other player we have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChampSkinsFanatic Posted November 22, 2006 Share Posted November 22, 2006 Get Warrick Holdman the hell out of Washington, we need a whole new core of linebackers. We suck so bad. We should have kept Antonio Pierce and Lavar, atleast they would tackle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isifhan Posted November 22, 2006 Share Posted November 22, 2006 AA could actually saves us $.595M if cut after June 1st and would carry $7.167M of deadcap space in 2008. Jansen if cut after June 1st would save $4.25M and would carry about $1.8M of dead cap for 2008. MB would carry deadcap into 2008 of $2.8M and Casey R. would carry $2.2M of deadcap space into 2008. The rest of the list not who are not mentioned above would carry less than $1M of deadcap space into 2008. Here is what they would save if cut after June 1st 2007, or designated as per the new CBA agreement:8 Mark Brunell QB $5.200M 76 Jon Jansen OT $4.250M 97 Renaldo Wynn DE $2.500M 61 Casey Rabach OC $2.750 80 David Patten WR $1.250M 40 Adam Archuleta S $0.595M 10 John Hall K $1.500M Yeah let's cut half of our line. Why stop with half of our offensive line and both our DE's as another poster suggested? Let's just cut everyone and hold open tryouts. I have a few bartender friends back in DC that may be into it. Can we give Vermiel a call as long as we're at it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f_trizzy Posted November 22, 2006 Share Posted November 22, 2006 Jansen, AA, and Holdman are my top 3 to be sent packing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcmillan89 Posted November 22, 2006 Share Posted November 22, 2006 Chris Samuels $8,600,000(way overrated,gets beaten by 2nd team DE's) Casey Rabach $3,650,000(average player,gets bullied by NT's and DT's) Jon Jansen $5,853,000(his play is in decline every year) Randy Thomas $5,412,000(Our best lineman,but not overpowering as he should be. so,... your telling me our line sucks no way Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uno Mas Posted November 22, 2006 Share Posted November 22, 2006 How about the crazy idea we hold on to somebody for a change and create some chemistry and just use the draft folks. This is the mind set that has got us in the mess we are currently in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DiscoBob Posted November 22, 2006 Share Posted November 22, 2006 We cannot cut any of our Oline until we bring in guys to learn the system as backups for a while, and that cannot happen in the same year.... We need to find at least 2 solid backups at Oline who can challenge our starters for playing time next year. Then we can consider cutting those guys in 2008, if the new players pan out... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedskinsNation Posted November 22, 2006 Share Posted November 22, 2006 I pretty much agree with what madtoppdogg says. Our two "bookends" are not super star STUDS like their contracts say but they are steady NFL starters and I think thats it. As for the players we should cut I totall agree. Wynn should have been cut years ago & I think that Brunell probably will be cut this offseason because he will try to go somewhere and be a starter...or retire. Patten we havent really seen much of cuz he's always injured. I say cut him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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