21KillzCowboys Posted July 18, 2006 Share Posted July 18, 2006 How would you compare each teams' starting units to one another? Best to worst: 4 points for best, 1 for worst. Quarterback ---- PHI, WAS, DAL, NYG Wide Recievers - WAS, DAL, NYG, PHI Runningbacks --- WAS, NYG, DAL, PHI Tight Ends ----- DAL, NYG, WAS, PHI Offensive Line - WAS, NYG, PHI, DAL Defensive Line - PHI, NYG, WAS, DAL Linebackers ---- NYG, WAS, DAL, PHI Safeties ------- WAS, PHI, NYG, DAL Cornerbacks ---- PHI, WAS, DAL, NYG Special Teams -- NYG, WAS, DAL, PHI Coaching Staff - WAS, DAL, PHI, NYG Totals WAS - 36 NYG - 27 PHI - 24 DAL - 23 Am I being too much of a homer? I formed this list as objectively as possible. As I look back on it, I can only see a spot or two where we could drop one spot (WR, DL, LB). Are we this much more talented than the other teams? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jayl1985 Posted July 18, 2006 Share Posted July 18, 2006 The only thing I would change is the offensive line. I think we have the 2nd best line in the division after philly. Everything else seems about right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigyim Posted July 18, 2006 Share Posted July 18, 2006 DAL has the better 1-2 punch at WR (at least, based on paper). I would say that we have the better lineup at WR 1-4, but most objective people would rate Dallas' starting WRs over ours. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1028046 Posted July 18, 2006 Share Posted July 18, 2006 How would you compare each teams' starting units to one another? Best to worst: 4 points for best, 1 for worst. Quarterback ---- PHI, WAS, DAL, NYG Wide Recievers - WAS, DAL, NYG, PHI Runningbacks --- WAS, NYG, DAL, PHI Tight Ends ----- DAL, NYG, WAS, PHI Offensive Line - WAS, NYG, PHI, DAL Defensive Line - PHI, NYG, WAS, DAL Linebackers ---- NYG, WAS, DAL, PHI Safeties ------- WAS, PHI, NYG, DAL Cornerbacks ---- PHI, WAS, DAL, NYG Special Teams -- NYG, WAS, DAL, PHI Coaching Staff - WAS, DAL, PHI, NYG Totals WAS - 36 NYG - 27 PHI - 24 DAL - 23 Am I being too much of a homer? I formed this list as objectively as possible. As I look back on it, I can only see a spot or two where we could drop one spot (WR, DL, LB). Are we this much more talented than the other teams? Whats the excuse going to be when you guys don't win the superbowl with the supposed best talent and best coach? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skinny21 Posted July 18, 2006 Share Posted July 18, 2006 One could certainly argue that PHI has the best safeties in the league, but we're definitely up there. As far as CBs, NYG is a ?, but the rest of us all seem interchangeable. Because we have a bit of a ? ourselves in Wright I'd put us 3rd. For coaching I'd switch DAL and PHI (due mainly to dallas losing peyton and the eagles retaining johnson). If Carter works out I'd put us ahead of the Giants on D-line (only cause they lost clancy and are therefore unproven at DT). I'd argue that either the skins or eagles have the best starting DTs but the Giants (definitely) and Eagles (maybe/probably) have better DEs than we do. I like the assessment though, I wasn't trying to trash your work, just throwing my opinion our there... good job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYSkins1 Posted July 18, 2006 Share Posted July 18, 2006 I may bring our special teams down. As far as we know, we don't have a stable punter or kicker. Our return corps is great, but I'm worried about our kicking and punting. While I think that our runningbacks are the best, you could make an argument for Dallas (maybe) or New York (much more maybe) being better than us in that department. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skinfan2k Posted July 18, 2006 Share Posted July 18, 2006 Whats the excuse going to be when you guys don't win the superbowl with the supposed best talent and best coach? whos your favorite fan and this is the 2nd time today i have seen you write that exact same sentence Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THEHEREAFTER Posted July 18, 2006 Share Posted July 18, 2006 How would you compare each teams' starting units to one another? Best to worst: 4 points for best, 1 for worst. Quarterback ---- PHI, WAS, DAL, NYG Wide Recievers - WAS, DAL, NYG, PHI Runningbacks --- WAS, NYG, DAL, PHI Tight Ends ----- DAL, NYG, WAS, PHI Offensive Line - WAS, NYG, PHI, DAL Defensive Line - PHI, NYG, WAS, DAL Linebackers ---- NYG, WAS, DAL, PHI Safeties ------- WAS, PHI, NYG, DAL Cornerbacks ---- PHI, WAS, DAL, NYG Special Teams -- NYG, WAS, DAL, PHI Coaching Staff - WAS, DAL, PHI, NYG Totals WAS - 36 NYG - 27 PHI - 24 DAL - 23 Am I being too much of a homer? I formed this list as objectively as possible. As I look back on it, I can only see a spot or two where we could drop one spot (WR, DL, LB). Are we this much more talented than the other teams? And this is exactly where I would drop you guys a spot or two. I don't think you're 13 pts. ahead of Dallas using this system. Carlos Rogers/Shawn Springs > T. New A. Henry? I think it's pretty safe to say that the scoring will be based upon who you're a fan of. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dawgjk9 Posted July 18, 2006 Share Posted July 18, 2006 QB we might drop too, i can see us being anywhere from 2nd-4th in that category...same with OL, but if we drop there we drop to 2. WR also MAYBE, depends on Lloyd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elkabong82 Posted July 18, 2006 Share Posted July 18, 2006 Our D-line is better than NY. They have a DE w/ only one good year, and another who is aging. After that, who are their DT's? Other than that, I'd take special teams down one spot, WR group after Dallas (just for the sake of being objective), Linebackers needs to have Philly in front, then Washington, then Dallas, then NY. Others will disagree, but Philly has the best depth and most experience, Washington has Marcus and Marshall, McIntosh/Holdman are a question mark. Dallas, has Ayodele and Ware will be improved, Carpenter is a question mark. NY has Pierce, but LA is a question mark and who is their other OLB anyway? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sherlock Holmes Posted July 18, 2006 Share Posted July 18, 2006 Whats the excuse going to be when you guys don't win the superbowl with the supposed best talent and best coach? Whats the excuse gonna be when Eli has an awful end of season stretch, and you guys dont even get into the playoffS? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
21KillzCowboys Posted July 18, 2006 Author Share Posted July 18, 2006 While I think that our runningbacks are the best, you could make an argument for Dallas (maybe) or New York (much more maybe) being better than us in that department. I would certainly take CP over Julius Jones. Was that a typo? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flash22 Posted July 18, 2006 Share Posted July 18, 2006 Our D-line is better than NY. They have a DE w/ only one good year, and another who is aging. After that, who are their DT's? Other than that, I'd take special teams down one spot, WR group after Dallas (just for the sake of being objective), Linebackers needs to have Philly in front, then Washington, then Dallas, then NY. Others will disagree, but Philly has the best depth and most experience, Washington has Marcus and Marshall, McIntosh/Holdman are a question mark. Dallas, has Ayodele and Ware will be improved, Carpenter is a question mark. NY has Pierce, but LA is a question mark and who is their other OLB anyway? the gaints might have the best linebackers in our divison you should move them up not down Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isifhan Posted July 18, 2006 Share Posted July 18, 2006 Whats the excuse going to be when you guys don't win the superbowl with the supposed best talent and best coach? Maybe we'll ask Tiki what excuse he used when you guys got shut out in the playoffs at home. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mdrun Posted July 18, 2006 Share Posted July 18, 2006 Our D-line is better than NY. They have a DE w/ only one good year, and another who is aging. After that, who are their DT's? Thats a pretty negative breakdown of their line. Its pretty easy to be negativly subjective about our line like that too. For example one could easily say we have one DE that has been a perennial underachiever (Carter) and another that has only played half a season of good football (Daniels). Griffs career has been marked by inconsistancy and no one outside of DC knows big Joe just like you don't know the Giant's DTs. In my opinion the Giant's DEs are much better than ours and we probably have the edge on the DTs (although I will admit I don't know much about their tackles). Just my :2cents: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimmyWilliamsFanClub Posted July 18, 2006 Share Posted July 18, 2006 Quarterback ---- PHI, DAL, WAS, NYG - Eli will be a monster soon Wide Recievers - WAS, DAL, NYG, PHI - Through entire depth chart we take it Runningbacks --- WAS, DAL, NYG, PHI - Cartwright, Portis, Betts good, Julius Jones and Marion Barber over Tiki and his crew Tight Ends ----- DAL, NYG, WAS, PHI Offensive Line - PHI, WAS, NYG, DAL - I think dallas' Oline takes a lot of heat just because Drew holds onto the ball for a second too long Defensive Line - PHI, NYG, WAS, DAL Linebackers ---- NYG, WAS, DAL, PHI Safeties ------- WAS, PHI, DAL, NYG Cornerbacks ---- DAL, WAS, PHI, NYG Special Teams -- PHI, DAL, NYG, WAS Coaching Staff - WAS, DAL, PHI, NYG Washington 32 Dallas 29 Philadelphia 27 NYG 22 Yet, in my predicitions for the division I have it going WAS, DAL, NYG, PHI... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimmyWilliamsFanClub Posted July 18, 2006 Share Posted July 18, 2006 Maybe we'll ask Tiki what excuse he used when you guys got shut out in the playoffs at home. Here's a good line my Cowboys fan buddy uses when he is talking football with Giants fans: Cowboys fan: How many points did we score in the playoffs? Giants Fan: None, you weren't in the playoffs Cowboys fan: We scored the same amount as you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ouvan59 Posted July 18, 2006 Share Posted July 18, 2006 And this is exactly where I would drop you guys a spot or two. I don't think you're 13 pts. ahead of Dallas using this system. Carlos Rogers/Shawn Springs > T. New A. Henry? I think it's pretty safe to say that the scoring will be based upon who you're a fan of. This system is completely flawed. It is irrelevant how good an individual unit is compared to an opponent. How teams play together as complete units is the only thing that really matters. People don't give near enough credit to coaching and/or depth in these kinds of rankings. It doesn't matter what NFL players you have if you have a bad defensive scheme. Give me Gregg Williams and I think I will do okay on the defensive side of the ball. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
21KillzCowboys Posted July 18, 2006 Author Share Posted July 18, 2006 This system is completely flawed. It is irrelevant how good an individual unit is compared to an opponent. How teams play together as complete units is the only thing that really matters. People don't give near enough credit to coaching and/or depth in these kinds of rankings. It doesn't matter what NFL players you have if you have a bad defensive scheme. Give me Gregg Williams and I think I will do okay on the defensive side of the ball. You're exactly right. The only purpose of this type of comparison is to gauge starting talent on the 4 teams. It does not mean any TEAM is better than the other. Also, some positions may be much more important, like QB. Philly has by far the best QB in the division, but he has by far the worst receivers and RBs to play with... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bubba9497 Posted July 18, 2006 Share Posted July 18, 2006 The only thing I would change is the offensive line. I think we have the 2nd best line in the division after philly. Everything else seems about right. :doh: Philly? they ranked 27 in rushing, 11th in most sacks allowed,only 3.9 YPC, and they are replacing 1 maybe 2 starters, and could be starting a rookie Philly isn't even the 2nd best OL in the NFC East The Redskins were dominate the second half last season, Almost half of all the sacks the skins gave up last season were in 3 of the first 4 games (when Rabach was adjusting, and Jansen had two broken thumbs) and the last five reg. season games we had 5 straight 100 yard games by Portis, (1 by Rock) and only gave up 2 sacks! that was against 3 NFC East foes, and 3 games on the road. KC Joyner's position ranking had Samuels #1 and Dockery #6 in blocking efficiency and Jansen & Thomas weren't far off the top ten, and he said in a recent chat the Skins were probably the best blocking most efficient OL in the NFL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
21KillzCowboys Posted July 18, 2006 Author Share Posted July 18, 2006 :doh: Philly?they ranked 27 in rushing, 11th in most sacks allowed,only 3.9 YPC, and they are replacing 1 maybe 2 starters, and could be starting a rookie Philly isn't even the 2nd best OL in the NFC East The Redskins were dominate the second half last season, Almost half of all the sacks the skins gave up last season were in 3 of the first 4 games (when Rabach was adjusting, and Jansen had two broken thumbs) and the last five reg. season games we had 5 straight 100 yard games by Portis, (1 by Rock) and only gave up 2 sacks! that was against 3 NFC East foes, and 3 games on the road. KC Joyner's position ranking had Samuels #1 and Dockery #6 in blocking efficiency and Jansen & Thomas weren't far off the top ten, and he said in a recent chat the Skins were probably the best blocking most efficient OL in the NFL Get 'em, Bubba. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bubba9497 Posted July 18, 2006 Share Posted July 18, 2006 Carlos Rogers/Shawn Springs > T. New A. Henry? Dude that is a no brainier, Henry was almost as bad as Williams giving up deep passes, and Newman is a liability in run support. Just ask Ladell Betts :laugh: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bubba9497 Posted July 18, 2006 Share Posted July 18, 2006 Quarterback ---- PHI, WAS, DAL, NYG Wide Recievers - WAS, DAL, NYG, PHI Runningbacks --- WAS, NYG, PHI, DAL Tight Ends ----- DAL, WAS, NYG, PHI Offensive Line - WAS, NYG, PHI, DAL Defensive Line - NYG, WAS, DAL, PHI - Washington may exceed the Giants Linebackers ---- WAS, DAL, NYG, PHI Safeties ------- WAS, PHI, NYG, DAL Cornerbacks ---- PHI, WAS, DAL, NYG Special Teams -- NYG, WAS, DAL, PHI Coaching Staff - WAS, DAL, PHI, NYG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpeedKi11s Posted July 18, 2006 Share Posted July 18, 2006 How would you compare each teams' starting units to one another? Best to worst: 4 points for best, 1 for worst. Quarterback ---- PHI, WAS, DAL, NYG Wide Recievers - WAS, DAL, NYG, PHI Runningbacks --- WAS, NYG, DAL, PHI Tight Ends ----- DAL, NYG, WAS, PHI Offensive Line - WAS, NYG, PHI, DAL Defensive Line - PHI, NYG, WAS, DAL Linebackers ---- NYG, WAS, DAL, PHI Safeties ------- WAS, PHI, NYG, DAL Cornerbacks ---- PHI, WAS, DAL, NYG Special Teams -- NYG, WAS, DAL, PHI Coaching Staff - WAS, DAL, PHI, NYG Totals WAS - 36 NYG - 27 PHI - 24 DAL - 23 Am I being too much of a homer? I formed this list as objectively as possible. As I look back on it, I can only see a spot or two where we could drop one spot (WR, DL, LB). Are we this much more talented than the other teams? QB - PHI, NYG, WAS, DAL RB - WAS, NYG, DAL, PHI WR - DAL, WAS, NYG, PHI TE - DAL, WAS, NYG, PHI OL - WAS, PHI, NYG, DAL DL - NYG, PHI, WAS, DAL LB - NYG, WAS, DAL, PHI Safeties - WAS, PHI, DAL, NYG CB - PHI, DAL, WAS, NYG ST - DAL, NYG, WAS, PHI CS - WAS, DAL, PHI, NYG Totals WAS - 33 DAL - 27 NYG - 26 PHI - 24 these are my objective rankings Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StepyagameuP Posted July 18, 2006 Share Posted July 18, 2006 Whats the excuse going to be when you guys don't win the superbowl with the supposed best talent and best coach? If that happens then we coming looking for you! :eaglesuck :gaintsuck :dallasuck Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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