NFC East - Positional Unit Comparisons

[seeMeskins]

How would you compare each teams' starting units to one another? Best to worst: 4 points for best, 1 for worst.

Quarterback ---- PHI, WAS, DAL, NYG

I'll take She'Li over bleedso any day

Phi, Was, Nyg, Dal

[WeThreeKingsRuleU]

wow, thats not at all how i typed it up either...

but they did have a few redeeming stats in there:

"Washington allowed only 29 rushing plays of 10 yards or more last season, he lowest total in the NFC a nd second lowest to Pittsburgh (27) in the NFL."

and

"Clinton Portis' 98.8 career rushing yards per game ranks third in NFL history (minimum 50 games played) behind Jim Brown (104.3) and Barry Sanders (99.8)"

now I did not know that...

[DCsportsfan53]

Thats a pretty negative breakdown of their line. Its pretty easy to be negativly subjective about our line like that too. For example one could easily say we have one DE that has been a perennial underachiever (Carter) and another that has only played half a season of good football (Daniels). Griffs career has been marked by inconsistancy and no one outside of DC knows big Joe just like you don't know the Giant's DTs.

In my opinion the Giant's DEs are much better than ours and we probably have the edge on the DTs (although I will admit I don't know much about their tackles).

Just my :2cents:

I think his point is, and I agree, the Giants DTs are very weak and thin. They lost both last years starters, didn't replace them and now nobodys and backups will be starting and with even less behind them. They'd better hope for some ridiculous break through performances by a couple of DTs or else that pass rush will never even get unleashed...teams will run right through them.

[nfchamp1]

I'm as big a skins fan as ever lived, but these ranking seem kind of homerriffic to me. Plus, you are assuming that all of our acquisitions and changes work out perfectly. My rankings:

Quarterback -- PHI, DAL, WAS, NYG McNabb is the best, Bledsoe is a statute but he really produces if given any time at all, Eli can only get better but sucked last year.

Wide Recievers -- DAL, NYG, WAS, PHI - We have depth that MAY pan out, but it is too soon to say. Dallas and NY have proven 1-2 wideout punches that are better than our proven starters, plus great TE outlets. Dallas in particular is going to be hard to handle if we can't get to Bledsoe quickly. We may greatly improve in this category but I resufe to count chickens too early.

Yes we have tested depth and we are not talking about rookies. These guys are NFL veterans who we know what they are capable of. They are extremely young, and if they maintain their level without expected significant improvement, the skins are still ahead of the cowboys here. T.O. and Glenn are studs but using your argument (which I don't agree with), T.O. hasn't panned out in Dallas yet. He is getting long in the tooth and did not play most of last season, so that makes him a question mark. Behind him and Glenn, the cupboardis bare. IMO, the Giants may be ahead of the skins and the cowboys here.

Runningbacks -- NYG, WAS, DAL, PHI - Tiki is the best in the division, one of the 3 best in football right now. Portis is close behind.

If you are going to use depth as a criterion (I completely agree you should) then the Skins are #1 at running back, not NY, despite Tiki.

Tight Ends doesn't deserve its own category (should be included in receivers).

Offensive Line -- NYG, WAS, PHI, DAL - Giants have the most consistent lineplay, not us, plus we have serious depth problems.

You've got to be kidding me. The giants have zero OL depth and was not anywhere near consistent last year. BTW, the Eagles tackles are ridiculously overrated. Tra Thomas holds more than crazy glue and Runyan always struggles against speed. Average speed at that.

Defensive Line -- NYG, DAL, PHI, WAS - C'mon, Strahan and Usi are beasts. For us, Corny Bennett has had to do way, way too much of the work. Carter might work out but who knows - the rest of our guys are journeymen.

The Redskins Line is underrated because of sack numbers but we all know that the key to winning defences is not sacking the QB but stopping the run. The strength of the Skin's entire line is stopping the run. The middle of the giants DL can neither rush the passer nor stop the run. The Ends are primarily pass rushers. Although Strahan is no slouch in playing the run, he is clearly not the run defender he was a few years ago.

Linebackers -- WAS, DAL, NYG, PHI - Greg Williams' system creates great linebackers, but Dallas has a ton of young athletic guys.

With Nguyen gone, Dallas is a huge question mark here. I'll put them behind the NYG and PHI. There highly regarded second year guy is a glorified DE not a real linebacker.

Secondary -- PHI, WAS, DAL, NYG - Again, like the receivers, these two categories should be together. Philly is getting older but they are not old yet. Again, we have depth problems.

Special Teams -- PHI, NYG, DAL, WAS - Randle El isn't everything - our kicker and punter are total question marks. How can we compare to guys like Akers and Vanderjagt? Plus, we are very inconsistent in coverage.

Last year special teams coverage was our strong suit. We were the best among the lot but I can't really argue with the overall rating.

Coaching Staff -- WAS, DAL, PHI, NYG - agreed - and this is the most important category.

Totals:

Dallas - 23

Philly - 21

NY - 23

WAS - 23

It's going to be a damn dogfight.

I concur.

[SKiNz Jus 2 sick]

Tight Ends ----- DAL, NYG, WAS, PHI

Offensive Line - WAS, NYG, PHI, DAL

these are the only two i would change

and as of now i would probly put us last at TE or maybe 3rd it should be NYG, PHI then Skins and Dallas is a toss up right there

and Offensive line i would have us at 2nd behind Philly but i agree with everything else

[grego]

']I find it amazing you guys can make these judgements and not even know who the Giants' third LB'er is. Right now' date=' it is probably Carlos Emmons. [/quote']

thats an odd couple of sentences.

as far as the giants WR's, i dont see them like street and smith and a couple of others here do. burress had a good year. but, he's not as good as santana. i had read he lead the NFL in dropped passes. and he's not happy at the moment, which cant help. toomer used to be decent, but it looks like hes fading. i cant see that combo, even with santanas brother (you never see WR's contribute their first year) as being better than the skins. moss + anybody is a '4' on that scale. say what you want about lloyd- but check alex smiths and last years san fran QB's stats first....

[bobzmuda]

Maybe we'll ask Tiki what excuse he used when you guys got shut out in the playoffs at home.

Tiki already said it was the coaches' fault.

[Smoot Point Really]

How would you compare each teams' starting units to one another? Best to worst: 4 points for best, 1 for worst.

Quarterback ---- PHI, WAS, DAL, NYG

Wide Recievers - WAS, DAL, NYG, PHI

Runningbacks --- WAS, NYG, DAL, PHI

Tight Ends ----- DAL, NYG, WAS, PHI

Offensive Line - WAS, NYG, PHI, DAL

Defensive Line - PHI, NYG, WAS, DAL

Linebackers ---- NYG, WAS, DAL, PHI

Safeties ------- WAS, PHI, NYG, DAL

Cornerbacks ---- PHI, WAS, DAL, NYG

Special Teams -- NYG, WAS, DAL, PHI

Coaching Staff - WAS, DAL, PHI, NYG

Totals

WAS - 36

NYG - 27

PHI - 24

DAL - 23

Am I being too much of a homer? I formed this list as objectively as possible. As I look back on it, I can only see a spot or two where we could drop one spot (WR, DL, LB). Are we this much more talented than the other teams?

I apologize for this, but I think you are being too much of a homer... I expect to see the following this year and we need to also consider last year's performances as well.

Quarterback ---- PHI, NYG, DAL, WAS

COMMENT: Eli Manning is in his 2nd full year as a starter (3rd overall). He has shown flashes and you have to predict he will get better each year. We have to expect Bledsoe will be better than he was last year, and he was solid last year. McNabb (as much as I hate to say it) is still the better QB of the bunch. Brunell isn't young. McNabb is really the only QB that stands out, the others are pretty even. I can't honestly say that Brunell is better than Eli or Drew at this point.

Wide Recievers - DAL, WAS, NYG, PHI

COMMENT: Dallas and Washington are a tie, but Terrell Owens is a wildcard. Since I am a "homer", I'll give Dallas the edge.

Runningbacks --- NYG, WAS, DAL, PHI

COMMENT: We "expect" Washington to be first here, but really NYG with Tiki Barber has been better. I wouldn't trade Clinton Portis for Tiki, but come on... Look at the stats and be honest. 1800 yards and 5.2 per carry? 54 catches for over 500 yards? Dallas and Philly are a deadheat for last.

Tight Ends ----- DAL, NYG, WAS, PHI

COMMENT: I think all four teams are pretty much a draw. This shouldn't even count. LJ Smith, Jason Witten, Jeremy Shockey and Chris Cooley? Doesn't really matter.

Offensive Line - WAS, NYG, PHI, DAL

COMMENT: I'm fine with the OLINE rankings, but we don't have the depth. I won't change this because I don't know the depth of the other teams either.

Defensive Line - PHI, NYG, WAS, DAL

COMMENT: I won't argue here, but I would've probably put NYG first.

Linebackers ---- NYG, WAS, DAL, PHI

COMMENT: These are pretty even, but this is a fair assessment.

Safeties ------- WAS, PHI, DAL, NYG

COMMENT: Dallas should be ahead of NYG (even with their other safety getting shot).

Cornerbacks ---- PHI, DAL, WAS, NYG

COMMENT: I think you ranked us too high here. I'll put Dallas ahead of us. Carlos Rogers hasn't really proven he's elite yet.

Special Teams -- DAL, PHI, NYG, WAS

COMMENT: I totally disagree here.... All we have is return game with Randel El, and that is assuming he will come here and perform as well as he did with Pittsburgh. Remember that we've gone out and gotten great returners and they never panned out here. We grew our own in Brian Mitchell and Mike Nelms. Dallas and Philly have two of the best kickers in the game and that will make all the difference in a close game.

Coaching Staff - WAS, PHI, NYG, DAL

COMMENT: I'm going to put Dallas last in coaching. Bill Parcells has a proven track record, but he hasn't shown he can win in Dallas with his current assistants. This leaves me wondering if his success was also because of his great assistant coaches along the other stops. You can't sleep on Philly's coaching staff and the success they had the previous 4 years before TO. Also, NYG won the division last year. The addition of Saunders is what makes the 'skins first place here.

The totals are meaningless... You rate all positions equally. I won't even attempt this.

[shawn]

Don't even go there. Portis was banged up in the playoffs:rolleyes:

can I use that to explain a few thing regarding the cowboys, philly or giants? so Tiki was 100% healthy after 16 games, being the center piece of their offense. OK...I SEE. great explanation (excuse).

[grego]

srenalds- i'm not sold on manning. i read a stat recently that was telling- most of his games last year were against poor pass D's. against the few top 15 pass D's he faced, he was bad. this year, he faces a ton of good pass D's.

as far as the safeties, roy is a big hitter, but thats about it. many say he is overrated and a liability in coverage, and davis doesnt seem to impressive. i dont think i'm being a homer is saying i'd take taylor and arch over them.

[shawn]

shawn, shawn, shawn.... I was going to quote you to argue a few points, but there is just sooo much wrong w/ your posts.

1. I think the skins good DTs are far better than the giants no name DTs (they lost both starters), so even though their DEs are better (although this is based more on sacks than anything else... if you're asked to focus more on the run than the qb then of course your sack total is going to be low), the lines could rate equally. And no one said Griffin alone makes our our line better than the giants...

hey the no name giant line is better than no name washington line, its MY OPINION...

2. Talking about linebackers, maybe you should look up Marshall, Lemar before talking noise. Marshall had a better season than your new guy Ayodele (by far) and arguably a better season than Ware... do some research, seriously.

yes I bet the offenses in the league shudder when they hear the name Lamar Marshall, I bet the offensive coordinators stay up at night game planning for Lamar Marshall. so let me ask you, there are two players available for Greg Williams to take Marshall and Ware...what choice will he make? come on, give me a break, there has to be a limit to homerism.

3. Nevermind, I'm tired of typing. Besides, Illone already responded to your last post... good job trying to defend (poorly) a troll though.

[grego]

can I use that to explain a few thing regarding the cowboys, philly or giants? so Tiki was 100% healthy after 16 games, being the center piece of their offense. OK...I SEE. great explanation (excuse).

its true that portis was used heavily and banged up at the end of the season, but as far as the playoffs, the skins were without the guy who may be their best O lineman- randy thomas. when he went down vs dallas, the skins O took a sharp downturn. division rival fans love to say how bad the skins O was at that time, but dont look much deeper or at the season as a whole.

[shawn]

Utter fallacy.

The only part of the Skins specials that sucked was the punting. The place kicking was solid despite an injured starter - as a Cowboy fan you should know how that can affect a team. Kudos to Danny Smith and Gibbs for picking the right guy in Novak. Most of our misses were on long kicks. The coverage teams were outstanding. We have Betts who is solid returning kicks and a guy you may have heard of returning punts - Antwan Randel El.

Next.

here is the rankings.

Punting Net Avg: 29

Punt Ret. Avg: 28

Kickoff Avg: 30

kickoff Return Avg: 28

Kickoff Touchbacks: 24

they upgraded with El, but its not just about the return guy. there is more to it than that.

[shawn]

I agree w/ most of your points, although the thread starter specifically put starters in italics.

Also, until they prove themselves, you can't put dallas' backers in the same category as philly and ny (maybe us since we have a pretty serious ? at will backer. Unless, that is, you don't care much for carlos emmons, lavar arrington, antonio pierce, jeremiah trotter, and dhani jones. Sure ware had a good amount of sacks... but thats about it for that squad (although carpenter should work out... we'll see).

Dallas

Ware: 58 tackles, 8 sacks

Ayodele: 72 tackles 2.5 sacks

James 92 tackles 2.5 sacks

Si

totals 238 with 13 sacks

Philly:

Barber 34 tackles, 1 sack

Trotter: 121 tackles, 1 sack

Jones 65 tackles

tackles 220, 2 sacks

Washington:

Washington: 93 tackles, 7.5 sacks

Holdman: 23 tackles

Marshall 96 tackles, 2 sacks

Total: 212 9.5 sacks.

this group seems really close in stats, stars (Washington, Ware, Trotter). the dallas group may have a hgher upside, since its the second year in the 3-4 system and ware made transition last year from DE to LB and went through his learning curve. all these groups are really close.

[shawn]

its true that portis was used heavily and banged up at the end of the season, but as far as the playoffs, the skins were without the guy who may be their best O lineman- randy thomas. when he went down vs dallas, the skins O took a sharp downturn. division rival fans love to say how bad the skins O was at that time, but dont look much deeper or at the season as a whole.

exactly the point. the Washington OL was pretty much intact for the season which helped their continuity and their offense specially at the end of the year, but when Thomas went out, the whole scheme had to adjust to account for his absence which effected the offense passing game as well as running game since Cooley probably was staying back helping out in blocking rather than running routes and opening lanes for Moss.

[Henry]

exactly the point. the Washington OL was pretty much intact for the season which helped their continuity and their offense specially at the end of the year, but when Thomas went out, the whole scheme had to adjust to account for his absence which effected the offense passing game as well as running game since Cooley probably was staying back helping out in blocking rather than running routes and opening lanes for Moss.

Actually, losing Thomas wasn't the huge blow. Losing his backup was.

[Chachie]

I gave equal pts to teams where I truly feel the position's too close to call so my final numbers may seem weird...

Quarterback ---- PHI, NYG, DAL, WAS (I'm going by upside and fragility)

Wide Recievers - DAL, WAS, NYG, PHI (Going by starters only- first 2 WRs)

Runningbacks --- NYG, WAS, PHI, DAL (C'mon, Barber was amazing last year)

Tight Ends ----- DAL, NYG, WAS, PHI (This dept is CLOSE. Almost a wash. Witten, Shock have experience though)

Offensive Line - WAS, PHI, NYG, DAL

Defensive Line - NYG, PHI, WAS, DAL (WAS and DAL get equal pts)

Linebackers ---- WAS, NYG, DAL, PHI (WAS/NYG get equal, DAL/PHI get equal)

Safeties ------- WAS, PHI, DAL, NYG (Arch should make the diff, PHI/DAL are equal)

Cornerbacks ---- PHI, WAS, DAL, NYG (WAS/DAL are equal)

Special Teams -- DAL, NYG, PHI, WAS (I went by kicker)

Coaching Staff - WAS, DAL, PHI, NYG (My true homer pick but still could be fact, DAL/PHI are equal)

WAS = 30

NYG = 30

DAL = 29

PHI = 28

I didn't add these numbers up with keeping the Redskins in my mind as front-runners. Whenever I awarded equal points for anything I gave a 2 pt minimum to the team I placed last in that particular category.

I think these numbers better reflect the tight divisional race we'll be seeing, assuming all teams stay healthy where they need to.

Once again, my coach pick was homeristic but i DO believe he's the best overall man for any job.

[scruffylookin]

Here's mine. Teams and then total points using the criteria mentioned.

QB- Eagles (4) Giants (3) Redskins (2) Cowboys (1)

McNabb is easily the class of the division. I chose Eli over Mark due to age and injury factor.

RB- Redskins (6) Giants (6) Eagles (6) Cowboys (2)

I think CP is the better back over Tiki, but even if you give the nod to Tiki, you have to factor age into it as well. I'm not a Westbrook fan as a primary runningback, but he's better than anything Dallas' got.

WR- Cowboys (6) Redskins (9) Giants (8) Eagles (7)

I'll give the TO/Glenn combo the top spot for now but the Skins may end up being number one because they are 3 deep.

TE- Giants (12) Cowboys (9) Redskins (11) Eagles (8)

Like others have said, this is close. But I gave the nod to Shockey because he seems to do both receiving and blocking vs. Witten and Cooley who are pass catchers.

OL- Redskins (15) Giants (15) Eagles (10) Cowboys (10)

The Skins easily have the most talent. They just need to keep the momentum from last year's December run. The Giants proved me wrong last year. I thought their Oline was going to be horrid and it was actually pretty good. The Eagles could leapfrog into the top spot but I'm going to wait and see with them. Cowboys stink.

DL- Giants (19) Eagles (13) Redskins (17) Cowboys (11)

I admire the Giants' Defensive ends. Their tackles may not measure up with the Eagles and Skins but I really think being able to generate a pass rush without blitzing is something that is so rare nowadays that it gives the Giants the edge for the top spot. The Eagles are next, the Skins could pass them is AC can regain 02 form.

LB- Giants (23) Redskins (20) Eagles (15) Cowboys (12)

Giants lead the way again. LaVar and Antonio are going to be great together. The Skins are next in line with Marcus and Lemar playing great last season. I don't like any of the Eagles players. I like DeMarcus Ware in Dallas. By himself, he could elevate them but I don't like what they have around him. But Dallas does have the potential to move up

S- Eagles (19) Redskins (23) Cowboys (14) Giants (24)

Eagles still have the top spot but I might change it to the Skins once I see what Archuleta will do in this defense. Right now, because Archuleta is new, I'm going with the more established combo.

CB- Redskins (27) Eagles (22) Cowboys (16) Giants (25)

X factor is Shawn Springs' age/injury. But if healthy, I'll take Springs and Rogers over the other guys.

ST- Giants (29) Redskins (30) Cowboys (18) Eagles (23)

The Skins coverage units were fantastic. John Hall is a very good kicker and we now have one of the best return guys in the game which solves one weakness we had last year. The other, punter, is still a major question mark. But I think ARE's arrival offsets any fears I have regarding Frost.

Coaching- Redskins (34) Eagles (26) Cowboys (20) Giants (30)

Joe Gibbs and his staff are easily, far and away the best staff in this division. I respect the job Reid and Johnson have done in Philly. Parcells, while overrated in my eyes, is still a good coach, I just don't know that his staff is that strong. The Giants' coaches are better than my ranking but they are simply not in the class of Gibbs and company. They haven't won consistently like Reid and Johnson and I'm not prepared to place Parcells below Coughlin just yet.

So my list.

Skins 34

Giants 30

Eagles 26

Cowboys 20

[Chachie]

']I find it amazing you guys can make these judgements and not even know who the Giants' third LB'er is. Right now' date=' it is probably Carlos Emmons. It could be Torbor if he beats him out. But, if Emmons is fully recovered which he seems to be, he will be the starter.

And since it was mentioned in the initial post that we are talking about the starters, the Giants clearly have the best starting RB in the division. Homerism or not, it's true.[/quote']

Tom- I think most of us are doubtful about Arrington returning to his youthful form (not a knock, just an opinion) and we don't know who will be starting between Emmons or Torber, so we just couldn't rank your LBs higher.

As for Tiki, check my rankings. I am fully aware that NOBODY has touched his accomplishments the past 2 years. He has been the motor for the G-men like no other NFCE back has been for their team. You are 100% correct about him. (I just hope that changes SOON.)

[Smoot Point Really]

srenalds- i'm not sold on manning. i read a stat recently that was telling- most of his games last year were against poor pass D's. against the few top 15 pass D's he faced, he was bad. this year, he faces a ton of good pass D's.

as far as the safeties, roy is a big hitter, but thats about it. many say he is overrated and a liability in coverage, and davis doesnt seem to impressive. i dont think i'm being a homer is saying i'd take taylor and arch over them.

Fair enought, Grego! I agree with your assessments. I wasn't saying Manning is better than Brunell, I was just saying I couldn't rate him lower at this time because he's so young in his career. I try to calculate my own bias and rank the Redskins lower when I feel there is a tie or close comparison. I agree about Roy Williams, but he is still valuable in the same way that Adam Archuleta is valuable. Roy Williams is a playmaker. I'd rather have Sean Taylor, but we shouldn't sleep on Williams just because he doesn't do everything well.

[skinny21]

Now I dont want to go hijacking your thread or anything, but I recently picked up a copy of "Street and Smith's Pro Football 2006 Year Book"...now some of you may have already read it, and im sorry but inside they have similar power rankings inside and you're gonna laugh at these. it's a five point scale

Dal NYG Was Phi

o-line: 3 o-line:3 o-line:4 o-line:3

QB: 3 QB:3 QB:3 QB:4

RB: 3 RBs:5 RBs:4 RBs:3

Receivers: 5 Receivers:4 Receivers:3 Receivers:1

D-line: 4 D-line:4 D-line:3 D-line:3

LB's: 4 LB's:3 LB's:4 LB's:2

Secondary: 3 Secondary:2 Secondary:4 Secondary:5

Special teams: 3 Special teams:3 Special teams:2 Special teams:2

Management: 4 Management:4 Management:2 Management:3

AND they have us going third in the division behind #1 Dallas and #2 NYG

now why did I even pick up this crappy mag in the first place? it had a pic of Santana on the cover. if course now I know they do the covers by region, just font get fooled by me

Am I right that this is saying we have the third best WR corp in the division... that it is an average group? That is laughable.

And D-line is low, both for us and for philly, yet Gmen and Dallas are arguably ranked too high. WAS and PHI have depth and quality starters at each line position, but I don't trust DAL and NYG' s depth, or even all their starters. The Giants have no name Defensive Tackles after losing both starters... maybe these rankings are just based on # of sacks last year. Whatever the case... B*** S***

Management should (unless they mean something other than coaches/management?) put us at 4 or 5.

Hell, I'd even argue against our ST rank... Even if Frost is below average, Hall is above average, throw in decent coverage and Randle El/Betts etc. I'd say we're at least average (a 3):2cents:

[skinny21]

QBs is debatable so I wont touch that, but:

Better D-Line than Dallas??? Doubt it.

Better LBs??? Carp, Adyole, James, Ware vs. Washington, rocky, ????

Better Corners??? Most eveyone would rather have Tnew Henry and Glenn vs. Springs Rogers and ???

I cant argue with anything else but I think that the TEs could be flipped in any direction and be deemed fair.

I'm not saying you're necessarily wrong, but how can you try to make an argument when you don't know all the players? For the same reason I defended the giants linebackers earlier (no one mentioned emmons), I'm defending the Skins.

Maybe you're going off the Madden ranking or what you hear on your own website, but Marshall (the first guy you couldn't come up with) is very solid... look up his stats, its on the internet.

The other guy is Kenny Wright, he played for a solid JAC defense last year... we'll have to see how he works out. Again, not saying you're wrong, just make sure you know exactly what we're all talking about.

I agree w/ you about the tight ends... could go anywhich way.

Oh yeah... the D-line.... name and rank each player on the lines (both Dallas and Washington) and then I'll argue w/ you.

[skinny21]

hey the no name giant line is better than no name washington line, its MY OPINION...

yes I bet the offenses in the league shudder when they hear the name Lamar Marshall, I bet the offensive coordinators stay up at night game planning for Lamar Marshall. so let me ask you, there are two players available for Greg Williams to take Marshall and Ware...what choice will he make? come on, give me a break, there has to be a limit to homerism.

I'm talking about names and stats, you're talking solely about your opinion, yet i'm the homer... you really are funny (do they actually allow computers in the mental ward?)

As for your point about ware and marshall... I'll actually bet that GW would rather have marshall than Ware. We play a 4-3 and you play a 3-4 (complicated stuff I wouldn't want you to hurt your head over) they're very different and the players can't necessarily play both equally.

Marshall is the qb of our defense and is great in coverage. Ware can sack the qb and is a liability in coverage... not saying one is better than the other (hell the only reason I brought up Ware is cause everyone is on his nu** but then they/you call marshall a no namer)

Come talk to me about homerism whenever you start researching, okay homer?

[skinny21]

Dallas

Ware: 58 tackles, 8 sacks

Ayodele: 72 tackles 2.5 sacks

James 92 tackles 2.5 sacks

Si

totals 238 with 13 sacks

Philly:

Barber 34 tackles, 1 sack

Trotter: 121 tackles, 1 sack

Jones 65 tackles

tackles 220, 2 sacks

Washington:

Washington: 93 tackles, 7.5 sacks

Holdman: 23 tackles

Marshall 96 tackles, 2 sacks

Total: 212 9.5 sacks.

this group seems really close in stats, stars (Washington, Ware, Trotter). the dallas group may have a hgher upside, since its the second year in the 3-4 system and ware made transition last year from DE to LB and went through his learning curve. all these groups are really close.

Notice how many games each one of those guys played... try backing up your stats... worthless drivel does no good for anyone (unless you're using bs stats to backup a bs argument)

[skinny21]

by the way, bledsoe had more pass attempts than mcnabb... therefore he is a far better qb