JimmyWilliamsFanClub Posted July 18, 2006 Share Posted July 18, 2006 Quarterback ---- PHI, WAS, DAL, NYG Wide Recievers - WAS, DAL, NYG, PHI Runningbacks --- WAS, NYG, PHI, DAL Tight Ends ----- DAL, WAS, NYG, PHI Offensive Line - WAS, NYG, PHI, DAL Defensive Line - NYG, WAS, DAL, PHI - Washington may exceed the Giants Linebackers ---- WAS, DAL, NYG, PHI Safeties ------- WAS, PHI, NYG, DAL Cornerbacks ---- PHI, WAS, DAL, NYG Special Teams -- NYG, WAS, DAL, PHI Coaching Staff - WAS, DAL, PHI, NYG Brunell over Bledsoe? Michael Westbrook over Marion and Julius? Cooley over Shocker? I guess maybe Fauria and Cooley...maybe. Marcus Washington, Marshall and Holdman over Antonio Pierce, Lavar and who is the other, Foreman? NYG's safeties over Roy and Keith Davis? hmm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lil Kenzo Posted July 18, 2006 Share Posted July 18, 2006 QBs - Philly, NY, Was, Dal WRs - Dal, Was, NY, Phi RB - Was, NY, Dal, Philly TEs - NY, Dal, Was, Philly O-line - Was, Philly NY, Dal D-line - NY, Dal, Philly, Was LBs - NY, Was, Philly, Dal Safties - Philly, Was, Dal, NY CBs - Philly, Was, Dal, NY Special Teams - Was, NY, Dal, Philly Coaching - Was, Philly, Dal, NY Was - 33 NY - 28 Phi - 26 Dal - 23 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Predicto Posted July 18, 2006 Share Posted July 18, 2006 Quarterback ---- PHI, WAS, DAL, NYG Wide Recievers - WAS, DAL, NYG, PHI Runningbacks --- WAS, NYG, DAL, PHI Tight Ends ----- DAL, NYG, WAS, PHI Offensive Line - WAS, NYG, PHI, DAL Defensive Line - PHI, NYG, WAS, DAL Linebackers ---- NYG, WAS, DAL, PHI Safeties ------- WAS, PHI, NYG, DAL Cornerbacks ---- PHI, WAS, DAL, NYG Special Teams -- NYG, WAS, DAL, PHI Coaching Staff - WAS, DAL, PHI, NYG Totals WAS - 36 NYG - 27 PHI - 24 DAL - 23 I'm as big a skins fan as ever lived, but these ranking seem kind of homerriffic to me. Plus, you are assuming that all of our acquisitions and changes work out perfectly. My rankings: Quarterback -- PHI, DAL, WAS, NYG McNabb is the best, Bledsoe is a statute but he really produces if given any time at all, Eli can only get better but sucked last year. Wide Recievers -- DAL, NYG, WAS, PHI - We have depth that MAY pan out, but it is too soon to say. Dallas and NY have proven 1-2 wideout punches that are better than our proven starters, plus great TE outlets. Dallas in particular is going to be hard to handle if we can't get to Bledsoe quickly. We may greatly improve in this category but I resufe to count chickens too early. Runningbacks -- NYG, WAS, DAL, PHI - Tiki is the best in the division, one of the 3 best in football right now. Portis is close behind. Tight Ends doesn't deserve its own category (should be included in receivers). Offensive Line -- NYG, WAS, PHI, DAL - Giants have the most consistent lineplay, not us, plus we have serious depth problems. Defensive Line -- NYG, DAL, PHI, WAS - C'mon, Strahan and Usi are beasts. For us, Corny Bennett has had to do way, way too much of the work. Carter might work out but who knows - the rest of our guys are journeymen. Linebackers -- WAS, DAL, NYG, PHI - Greg Williams' system creates great linebackers, but Dallas has a ton of young athletic guys. Secondary -- PHI, WAS, DAL, NYG - Again, like the receivers, these two categories should be together. Philly is getting older but they are not old yet. Again, we have depth problems. Special Teams -- PHI, NYG, DAL, WAS - Randle El isn't everything - our kicker and punter are total question marks. How can we compare to guys like Akers and Vanderjagt? Plus, we are very inconsistent in coverage. Coaching Staff -- WAS, DAL, PHI, NYG - agreed - and this is the most important category. Totals: Dallas - 23 Philly - 21 NY - 23 WAS - 23 It's going to be a damn dogfight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skinny21 Posted July 18, 2006 Share Posted July 18, 2006 Brunell over Bledsoe?Michael Westbrook over Marion and Julius? Cooley over Shocker? I guess maybe Fauria and Cooley...maybe. Marcus Washington, Marshall and Holdman over Antonio Pierce, Lavar and who is the other, Foreman? NYG's safeties over Roy and Keith Davis? hmm. well... to take a stab at explaining this, and answering your hmmm... brunell is more accurate (according to joyner) and more mobile brian westbrook is far better than those two (compare the stats, just don't knock him because his coach was retarded and decided you don't need to run the ball to win games) I too question this one bubba, carlos emmons is the gmens 3rd backer and he's good... we'll see how this turns out. this last one is questionable too, but plausible at the same time (don't doubt bubba if you can't name the safeties, the man knows what he's talking about)... will demps and gibril wilson are solid, maybe very solid- many say wilson should have gone to the probowl instead of roy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skinfan133 Posted July 18, 2006 Share Posted July 18, 2006 seems about right, i would question a few positions, but i would say you did a pretty abjective job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pocono Posted July 18, 2006 Share Posted July 18, 2006 QB's Phi NYG Was Dal RB's NYG Was Phi Dal WR's Dal Was NYG PHI TE Dal NYG Phi Was OL NYG Was Phi Dal DL Phi NYG Was Dal LB's NYG Dal Was Phi S's Phi Was NYG Dal CB's Phi Dal Was NYG ST's Phi Dal NYG Was C Was Dal Phi NYG Totals Phi 29 Was 26 NYG 29 Dal 25 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
celder Posted July 18, 2006 Share Posted July 18, 2006 I would say most skins fans would objectively agree with you but those who are not as familiar with the skins would definetly say differently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skinny21 Posted July 18, 2006 Share Posted July 18, 2006 Linebackers -- WAS, DAL, NYG, PHI - Greg Williams' system creates great linebackers, but Dallas has a ton of young athletic guys. I agree w/ most of your points, although the thread starter specifically put starters in italics. Also, until they prove themselves, you can't put dallas' backers in the same category as philly and ny (maybe us since we have a pretty serious ? at will backer. Unless, that is, you don't care much for carlos emmons, lavar arrington, antonio pierce, jeremiah trotter, and dhani jones. Sure ware had a good amount of sacks... but thats about it for that squad (although carpenter should work out... we'll see). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
portis&taylor Posted July 18, 2006 Share Posted July 18, 2006 very good i agre with all of it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grego Posted July 18, 2006 Share Posted July 18, 2006 QB's Phi NYG Was DalRB's NYG Was Phi Dal WR's Dal Was NYG PHI TE Dal NYG Phi Was OL NYG Was Phi Dal DL Phi NYG Was Dal LB's NYG Dal Was Phi S's Phi Was NYG Dal CB's Phi Dal Was NYG ST's Phi Dal NYG Was C Was Dal Phi NYG Totals Phi 29 Was 26 NYG 29 Dal 25 i dont know about eli being better than brunell- that guy was wretched against any semblence of a decent pass D last year. and l.j. smith/whoever better than cooley/fauria? nah. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigDirty56 Posted July 18, 2006 Share Posted July 18, 2006 Alright I agree with a lot of these but I'm going to try not to be a homer. Heres how I see QB's, WR's and overall divison winner. QB's- Phi, who knows after that. Bledsoe is the slowest QB of all time and gets hit all of the time. I mean Phillip Daniels had 4 sacks in one game. But Bledsoe can be a Pro bowl performer and has been under Parcells before in New England. With TO, and with Dallas's OL improved, Bledsoe could have another monster year. (I hate saying this) Eli Manning- Not a great second year from him but compared to second year QB's he is on his way. I see Eli progressing slower then his brother. I think he'll have a slightly better year. But I don't think he is going to be the QB that Payton is. I think he only completed like 52% of his passes last year, which is pretty low for a starting QB. Mark Brunell- The one that matters the most. I just hope the new offense will improve production from him. Last year, although one of his best years, was too up and down. A couple of great games mixed in with about 5 horrible games. And of course his two worst games came in the playoffs. I got the impression he was wore out. I mean the bye week was the third week of the season. We have a later bye one this year which should help. WR's- Dal, Was, NY, Phi Only need to debate Dal and WAS. I'll try and keep this quick. TO>Moss. (just in talent, Moss is the better teammate and person by far) Glenn>Llyodd (at least until he slows down and Llyod puts up some of the same #'s) Crayton<ARE (ARE can do it all, will be an awesome slot WR) 4th?<Patten (better then whoever they lineup) 5th?<Jacobs/Thrash(maybe slightly better, maybe a push, Jacobs has been a bust) Overall I give the edge to Dal because I think you have to put more weight on the #1 & #2 WR's. This is real close though. Divison Winner= REDSKINS-- Clinton Portis is going to have a huge year. The running lanes will be wide open with the 3 and 4 WR sets. Portis will lead the team to the divison title. Plus according to Coach Saunders Ladell Betts will play a major role this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shawn Posted July 18, 2006 Share Posted July 18, 2006 Our D-line is better than NY. They have a DE w/ only one good year, and another who is aging. After that, who are their DT's? Other than that, I'd take special teams down one spot, WR group after Dallas (just for the sake of being objective), Linebackers needs to have Philly in front, then Washington, then Dallas, then NY. Others will disagree, but Philly has the best depth and most experience, Washington has Marcus and Marshall, McIntosh/Holdman are a question mark. Dallas, has Ayodele and Ware will be improved, Carpenter is a question mark. NY has Pierce, but LA is a question mark and who is their other OLB anyway? You think the washington Line with Griffin as its only piece is better than Giants, with Strahan and Osi tops in sacks and the rest of their starting line? You have to be joking. even the Philly line is better than Washington and the dallas Line could be considered better but because of youth you may have an argument there.... Washington had Lavar and well he sucked right...so all that's left is Washington....dallas over all has a better and more accomplished group of LBs than washington. Carpenter is a question mark..ok but dallas has singlton. Carpenter may not crack the line up yet....Don't forget about James.Dallas also has better depth at LB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shawn Posted July 18, 2006 Share Posted July 18, 2006 How would you compare each teams' starting units to one another? Best to worst: 4 points for best, 1 for worst. Quarterback ---- PHI, WAS, DAL, NYG Wide Recievers - WAS, DAL, NYG, PHI Runningbacks --- WAS, NYG, DAL, PHI Tight Ends ----- DAL, NYG, WAS, PHI Offensive Line - WAS, NYG, PHI, DAL Defensive Line - PHI, NYG, WAS, DAL Linebackers ---- NYG, WAS, DAL, PHI Safeties ------- WAS, PHI, NYG, DAL Cornerbacks ---- PHI, WAS, DAL, NYG Special Teams -- NYG, WAS, DAL, PHI Coaching Staff - WAS, DAL, PHI, NYG Totals WAS - 36 NYG - 27 PHI - 24 DAL - 23 Am I being too much of a homer? I formed this list as objectively as possible. As I look back on it, I can only see a spot or two where we could drop one spot (WR, DL, LB). Are we this much more talented than the other teams? washington was among the worst teams in the league in special teams...yet you put them second? Washington could have the worst group of LBs in the division, but because of one player you put them 2nd? I still put Tiki ahead of Portis, but you could have an arugment there. and you rank dallas safties last, behind the giants? give me a break. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shawn Posted July 18, 2006 Share Posted July 18, 2006 Maybe we'll ask Tiki what excuse he used when you guys got shut out in the playoffs at home. and Portis had 94 yards...in 2 games......not much better than Tiki. don't forget the washington offense was pretty much shut down in two post season games, one game they won because of their defense and turnovers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
illone Posted July 18, 2006 Share Posted July 18, 2006 and Portis had 94 yards...in 2 games......not much better than Tiki. don't forget the washington offense was pretty much shut down in two post season games, one game they won because of their defense and turnovers. Don't even go there. Portis was banged up in the playoffs:rolleyes: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skinny21 Posted July 18, 2006 Share Posted July 18, 2006 shawn, shawn, shawn.... I was going to quote you to argue a few points, but there is just sooo much wrong w/ your posts. 1. I think the skins good DTs are far better than the giants no name DTs (they lost both starters), so even though their DEs are better (although this is based more on sacks than anything else... if you're asked to focus more on the run than the qb then of course your sack total is going to be low), the lines could rate equally. And no one said Griffin alone makes our our line better than the giants... 2. Talking about linebackers, maybe you should look up Marshall, Lemar before talking noise. Marshall had a better season than your new guy Ayodele (by far) and arguably a better season than Ware... do some research, seriously. 3. Nevermind, I'm tired of typing. Besides, Illone already responded to your last post... good job trying to defend (poorly) a troll though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirk Diggler Posted July 18, 2006 Share Posted July 18, 2006 washington was among the worst teams in the league in special teams Utter fallacy. The only part of the Skins specials that sucked was the punting. The place kicking was solid despite an injured starter - as a Cowboy fan you should know how that can affect a team. Kudos to Danny Smith and Gibbs for picking the right guy in Novak. Most of our misses were on long kicks. The coverage teams were outstanding. We have Betts who is solid returning kicks and a guy you may have heard of returning punts - Antwan Randel El. Next. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArmchairRedskin Posted July 18, 2006 Share Posted July 18, 2006 We all know which team had the worst field goal kicker in the league last year and it wasn't even close. Our Special teams was fine and we returned what? Two kickoffs for TD's? Pfft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhead36 Posted July 18, 2006 Share Posted July 18, 2006 QB-Eagles, Redskins, Giants, Cowboys RB-Giants, Redskins, Eagles, Cowboys WR-Cowboys, Redskins, Giants, Eagles TE-Cowboys, Giants, Redskins, Eagles OL-Redskins, Giants, Eagles, Cowboys DL-Giants, Eagles, Redskins, Cowboys LB-Cowboys, Redskins, Eagles, Giants CB-Eagles, Cowboys, Redskins, Giants S-Eagles, Redskins, Cowboys, Giants ST-Eagles, Giants, Redskins, Cowboys Coaching-Redskins, Cowboys, Eagles, Giants Totals: Redskins-31 Eagles-30 Giants-25 Cowboys-25 This scoring isn't really indicitive because certain positions are realy close, like TE where Cooley, Witten, and Shockey are all great, and all four teams have solid DB crews. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TuckerF Posted July 18, 2006 Share Posted July 18, 2006 Quarterback ---- PHI, WAS, DAL, NYG Wide Recievers - WAS, DAL, NYG, PHI Runningbacks --- WAS, NYG, DAL, PHI Tight Ends ----- DAL, NYG, WAS, PHI Offensive Line - WAS, NYG, PHI, DAL Defensive Line - PHI, NYG, WAS, DAL Linebackers ---- NYG, WAS, DAL, PHI Safeties ------- WAS, PHI, NYG, DAL Cornerbacks ---- PHI, WAS, DAL, NYG Special Teams -- NYG, WAS, DAL, PHI Coaching Staff - WAS, DAL, PHI, NYG If you ask for an unbiased response: you won't get one from here! QB- Eagles, Giants, Skins, Cowboys -Mc Nabb is the best, Eli is second because Brunell and Bledsoe are fading. Brunell over Bledsoe because he has a better back up RB- Giants, Skins, Cowboys, Eagles Tiki over Portis, no one else is close. WR-Cowboys, Giants, Skins, Eagles TO gives nod to Cowboys, Giants over skins becaue Lloyd or ARE haven't proved anything yet. TE- Giants, Cowboys, Skins, Eagles Shockey has more talent, Wittenis more consistent, Cooley over Smith OL- Giants, Skins, Eagles, Cowboys Giants guards are better, Skins tackles are better. Eagles starting a rookie, Cowboys suck DL- Giants, Eagles, Skins, Cowboys -Strahan and Osi best tandem in league, Howard and Kearse both proven, Skins may be ok if Daniels and Carter prove it. Canty, & Spears good, not spectacular rookies, Ellis wants out, Ferguson didn't play up to talent. LB- Giants, Cowboys, Eagles, Skins, Giants have youth and talent with starters and backups, Ware could be great but James, and Carpenter need to prove it, Skins have a hole where Holman didn't impress and Eagles LB are their weakness CB- Eagles, Skins, Cowboys, Giants- Sheppard and Brown have talent, so do Springs & Rogers and Henry and Newman- Springs is older, Henry has injury issues, Giants Webster needs to prove he belongs in league S- Skins, Eagles, Giants, Cowboys Archuleta and Taylor best pair, Dawkins and Lewis very close second, Wilson and Demps edge out Williams and whoever. ST Giants, Skins, Eagles, Cowboys Coaches - Skins, Cowboys, Eagles, Giants NY 31 WA 27 PA 22 DA 19 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PotomacSkinsFan Posted July 19, 2006 Share Posted July 19, 2006 The only thing I would change is the offensive line. I think we have the 2nd best line in the division after philly. Everything else seems about right. i think we have the best oline, but i think we may be the weakest linebacking corps. i also think that the giants have a better overall set of receivers than the 'boys Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skins4481 Posted July 19, 2006 Share Posted July 19, 2006 Quarterback ---- PHI, WAS, DAL, NYG Wide Recievers - WAS, DAL, NYG, PHI Runningbacks --- WAS, NYG, DAL, PHI Tight Ends ----- DAL, NYG, WAS, PHI Offensive Line - WAS, NYG, PHI, DAL Defensive Line - PHI, NYG, WAS, DAL Linebackers ---- NYG, WAS, DAL, PHI Safeties ------- WAS, PHI, NYG, DAL Cornerbacks ---- PHI, WAS, DAL, NYG Special Teams -- NYG, WAS, DAL, PHI Coaching Staff - WAS, DAL, PHI, NYG If you ask for an unbiased response: you won't get one from here! QB- Eagles, Giants, Skins, Cowboys -Mc Nabb is the best, Eli is second because Brunell and Bledsoe are fading. Brunell over Bledsoe because he has a better back up RB- Giants, Skins, Cowboys, Eagles Tiki over Portis, no one else is close. WR-Cowboys, Giants, Skins, Eagles TO gives nod to Cowboys, Giants over skins becaue Lloyd or ARE haven't proved anything yet. TE- Giants, Cowboys, Skins, Eagles Shockey has more talent, Wittenis more consistent, Cooley over Smith OL- Giants, Skins, Eagles, Cowboys Giants guards are better, Skins tackles are better. Eagles starting a rookie, Cowboys suck DL- Giants, Eagles, Skins, Cowboys -Strahan and Osi best tandem in league, Howard and Kearse both proven, Skins may be ok if Daniels and Carter prove it. Canty, & Spears good, not spectacular rookies, Ellis wants out, Ferguson didn't play up to talent. LB- Giants, Cowboys, Eagles, Skins, Giants have youth and talent with starters and backups, Ware could be great but James, and Carpenter need to prove it, Skins have a hole where Holman didn't impress and Eagles LB are their weakness CB- Eagles, Skins, Cowboys, Giants- Sheppard and Brown have talent, so do Springs & Rogers and Henry and Newman- Springs is older, Henry has injury issues, Giants Webster needs to prove he belongs in league S- Skins, Eagles, Giants, Cowboys Archuleta and Taylor best pair, Dawkins and Lewis very close second, Wilson and Demps edge out Williams and whoever. ST Giants, Skins, Eagles, Cowboys Coaches - Skins, Cowboys, Eagles, Giants NY 31 WA 27 PA 22 DA 19 Although I have more than one issue with this...there is no way in hell that any other team in the division has a better OL than the skins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheKeyBlue Posted July 19, 2006 Share Posted July 19, 2006 QBs is debatable so I wont touch that, but: Better D-Line than Dallas??? Doubt it. Better LBs??? Carp, Adyole, James, Ware vs. Washington, rocky, ???? Better Corners??? Most eveyone would rather have Tnew Henry and Glenn vs. Springs Rogers and ??? I cant argue with anything else but I think that the TEs could be flipped in any direction and be deemed fair. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom [Giants fan] Posted July 19, 2006 Share Posted July 19, 2006 I find it amazing you guys can make these judgements and not even know who the Giants' third LB'er is. Right now, it is probably Carlos Emmons. It could be Torbor if he beats him out. But, if Emmons is fully recovered which he seems to be, he will be the starter. And since it was mentioned in the initial post that we are talking about the starters, the Giants clearly have the best starting RB in the division. Homerism or not, it's true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WeThreeKingsRuleU Posted July 19, 2006 Share Posted July 19, 2006 Now I dont want to go hijacking your thread or anything, but I recently picked up a copy of "Street and Smith's Pro Football 2006 Year Book"...now some of you may have already read it, and im sorry but inside they have similar power rankings inside and you're gonna laugh at these. it's a five point scale Dal NYG Was Phi o-line: 3 o-line:3 o-line:4 o-line:3 QB: 3 QB:3 QB:3 QB:4 RB: 3 RBs:5 RBs:4 RBs:3 Receivers: 5 Receivers:4 Receivers:3 Receivers:1 D-line: 4 D-line:4 D-line:3 D-line:3 LB's: 4 LB's:3 LB's:4 LB's:2 Secondary: 3 Secondary:2 Secondary:4 Secondary:5 Special teams: 3 Special teams:3 Special teams:2 Special teams:2 Management: 4 Management:4 Management:2 Management:3 AND they have us going third in the division behind #1 Dallas and #2 NYG now why did I even pick up this crappy mag in the first place? it had a pic of Santana on the cover. if course now I know they do the covers by region, just font get fooled by me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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