DieselPwr44 Posted June 27, 2005 Share Posted June 27, 2005 Any way we can compile an email list of all the naysayers so that when Joe gets this thing turned around, we can stuff some email boxes with "I told you so" notes??? Just a thought......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Califan007 The Constipated Posted June 27, 2005 Share Posted June 27, 2005 Originally posted by JerseyGator Moss put up a lot of those numbers, off the top of my head, with Pennington, who Randy Moss calls the best QB he ever played with, including Culpepper. Doesn't matter who he put those numbers up with...this writer says those numbers aren't good enough. I say, if Moss puts up numbers like those with Ramsey, it'll definitely be good enough...lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bubba9497 Posted June 27, 2005 Author Share Posted June 27, 2005 Originally posted by bulldog last August the Redskins defense was supposed to be in trouble because Antonio Pierce was starting at middle linebacker after being a special teams performer for most of his four seasons in the NFL and because the team was depending upon the 'overrated' Fred Smoot at cornerback...................... now these guys are ready to have their busts enshrined in the NFL Hall of Fame?? :laugh: :laugh: no secondary? I see veteran corners, a #1 pick developing as the nickel to be the future starter and a host of safeties that are familiar with the system and that know Gregg Williams and vice versa. and we couldn't over come the loss of Bailey at cb with a broken down Shaun Springs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Califan007 The Constipated Posted June 27, 2005 Share Posted June 27, 2005 Originally posted by bubba9497 and we couldn't over come the loss of Bailey at cb with a broken down Shaun Sprigs We also paid too much for an overrated Cornelius Griffin... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bubba9497 Posted June 27, 2005 Author Share Posted June 27, 2005 Originally posted by Califan007 Doesn't matter who he put those numbers up with...this writer says those numbers aren't good enough. I say, if Moss puts up numbers like those with Ramsey, it'll definitely be good enough...lol considerig Pennington doesn't throw many deep balls, and Ramsey best passes are the long ones..... well bombs to a speed WR like Moss Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skinshog Posted June 27, 2005 Share Posted June 27, 2005 Articles like this are written by people who have some sort of grudge against the team. I humor it, but to take this seriously? :point2sky I'm excited as the underdog, its a good feeling, makes things more exciting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TXREDSKINS44 Posted June 27, 2005 Share Posted June 27, 2005 I just waisted five minutes of my life!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Punani2 Posted June 27, 2005 Share Posted June 27, 2005 you seen a pic of this guy? ooof! I'd be bitter too if I looked like that! http://www.covers.com/includes/email_us.asp?uid=47 Feel free to email Mr. Nover and tell him exactly what you think of his fine article... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heidenreich Posted June 27, 2005 Share Posted June 27, 2005 Yeah, that passing attack will really struggle to stretch the field with a burner like Santana & David Patten, with his 18.2 yards per catch. What a clown...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jstape Posted June 27, 2005 Share Posted June 27, 2005 some of the dumbest people are sports journalists... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MONTEY Posted June 28, 2005 Share Posted June 28, 2005 Hope our skins will prove all the haters wrong this season.Its been a long thirteen years or so of heartaches,but I look forward to a new season of hope,a sweep of the Cowturdes,a split at least with the Eagles,and a NFC championship at FED EX.Damn the haters!:point2sky :dallasuck Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
illone Posted June 28, 2005 Share Posted June 28, 2005 Who here has heard of Stephen Nover before? Point proven:laugh: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scruffylookin Posted June 28, 2005 Share Posted June 28, 2005 I've never heard of this guy but the critics need to get it straight. Has Gibbs lost it because he's unwilling to change and adapt to the NFL today? or Is he in panic mode and is adopting some ideas from his coaches including Musgrave to pep up his O? He's in panic mode because of the shotgun. Hey Einstein remember 1991, the Super Bowl run? Gibbs adopted the no huddle offense mid year to spice it up...was that "panic"? Seems to me, Gibbs is in the HOF because of his ability to adapt and change his offense. Take a look at his O in 1981. Then take a look at it in 1983. Finally check out the O in 1990 or 91. Worst thing you can do is question Joe Gibbs' ability to construct an offense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tex Posted June 28, 2005 Share Posted June 28, 2005 "Joe Gibbs never should have come back. It’s too bad the late Bud Wilkinson wasn’t around to advise him of that. Legends shouldn’t be disturbed. Not when it’s been more than 10 years since they last made their mark. Too much has changed." Sigh....Nover just doesn't get it. Many Redskins fans however do get it and know the difference between where the team was headed before Coach Gibbs made the comeback and where the team is now. Don't give a hoot what Nover says, I'm glad Coach Gibbs is back and I hope he stays involved with the franchise for many years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woofer Posted June 28, 2005 Share Posted June 28, 2005 Originally posted by scruffylookin I've never heard of this guy but the critics need to get it straight. Has Gibbs lost it because he's unwilling to change and adapt to the NFL today? or Is he in panic mode and is adopting some ideas from his coaches including Musgrave to pep up his O? He's in panic mode because of the shotgun. Hey Einstein remember 1991, the Super Bowl run? Gibbs adopted the no huddle offense mid year to spice it up...was that "panic"? Seems to me, Gibbs is in the HOF because of his ability to adapt and change his offense. Take a look at his O in 1981. Then take a look at it in 1983. Finally check out the O in 1990 or 91. Worst thing you can do is question Joe Gibbs' ability to construct an offense. I think they are right. All these experts can't possibly be wrong. We're doomed. Not. :logo: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
herman Posted June 28, 2005 Share Posted June 28, 2005 Mark my words...the year that we are supposed to suck will be the year we make the playoffs. it's the kind of thing that i could see happening to us. and thisyear we are supposed to suck;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skinshog Posted June 28, 2005 Share Posted June 28, 2005 If you want to compare, Steve Spurrier was just ranked number 6 I think on espn's who's number one as one of the most overrated.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bat~man Posted June 28, 2005 Share Posted June 28, 2005 thing that gets me , i can take the bad press and stuff , but a lot of the time people act like we are gonna do the exact same things as we did last year , like we havent learned anything , its been said our offense has been adjusted and the run plays for portis are gonna be more his style , ...... ahh well .... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
citigent Posted June 28, 2005 Share Posted June 28, 2005 the bottom line is that all the reporters and media people will continue to bash the skins and how they are ran until they start to win. and im sure when they do everyone will backpeddle their way through a story acting like they knwew that gibbs would turn the whole thing around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrockster21 Posted June 28, 2005 Share Posted June 28, 2005 Gibbs deserves his plaque in the Hall of Fame. But you have to wonder if he’s really in touch with the way football has evolved. He started an obviously over-the-hill Mark Brunell the first nine games, didn’t utilize stud running back Clinton Portis properly and had trouble adjusting to pressure defensive schemes that are standard strategy in today’s NFL. I love how he points these three things out, and these are the three things that Gibbs has focused the most on this offseason. He's starting Ramsey and drafted a young QB to come in and challenge Brunell for the second-string spot, he's converting to a lot of zone-blocking schemes to utilize Portis' natural skills and get the most out of him, and he's inserting a lot of quicker developing pass-plays into the offense to counter the quick blitzes and such. Maybe do a little research before you write your articles, jackass! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChocolateCitySkin Posted June 28, 2005 Share Posted June 28, 2005 Whats his address? I'm going to mail him a turd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AzSkinsFan63 Posted June 28, 2005 Share Posted June 28, 2005 WOW! one season and Gibbs is done..Amazing simply amazing Geez...can anyone say "adjustments" ? I thought you could.... Rabach was a true need Jansen is back Musgrave was hired to get the offense geared more to this century..(if Gibbs was still thinking old style and not making needed changes I might agree with this article..but the fact is he isn't) Add in the fact that we are zone blocking and designing schemes more geared to set Portis free like in Denver and I personally have had a joyous offseason relishing the pundits complete lack of NFL knowledge. Gibbs has done practically everything this offseason I personally could have asked in a letter (the shotgun!!!!). I guess Patten sucks too according to this guy. The offense is going to be completely new and yes it does hinge on Ramsey (and Gibbs knows that also I think). Ramsey is a very critical key to how far this team improves for sure. But then I always liked Ramsey unless he was crying and whining.. I predict the ST's are gonna be the best in the league. Defensively, Williams deserves all the credit for last season's surprise and until this defense proves otherwise they deserve a little respect.. Does anyone other than me believe that Williams could practically put in anyone and the "D" would be solid? Yes..Taylor, Arrington and Coles made some stupid noise but Gibbs has managed to keep the team focused in OTA's it seems to me.. This writer is just another clueless pundit who knows the NFL has a "hard on" for Snyder. So yes in that sense Gibbs has his work cut out for him and needs to make one final adjustment to complete my offseason.."run up the score and take the refs out of the picture completely" That's the one adjustment that I'm not sure Gibbs is willing to do. I know last season we couldn't have taken the refs out if we wanted to with that offense, but if what I expect to see comes to fruition..Just score early and often..and I will be one damn happy Skins fan... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flexxskins Posted June 28, 2005 Share Posted June 28, 2005 Everybody, print a copy of that article and pin it up somewhere. We will discuss it again during the season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cyrrok Posted June 28, 2005 Share Posted June 28, 2005 Stephen Nover is a mental handicap Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
e16bball Posted June 28, 2005 Share Posted June 28, 2005 Originally posted by scruffylookin I've never heard of this guy but the critics need to get it straight. Has Gibbs lost it because he's unwilling to change and adapt to the NFL today? or Is he in panic mode and is adopting some ideas from his coaches including Musgrave to pep up his O? He's in panic mode because of the shotgun. Hey Einstein remember 1991, the Super Bowl run? Gibbs adopted the no huddle offense mid year to spice it up...was that "panic"? Seems to me, Gibbs is in the HOF because of his ability to adapt and change his offense. Take a look at his O in 1981. Then take a look at it in 1983. Finally check out the O in 1990 or 91. Worst thing you can do is question Joe Gibbs' ability to construct an offense. Exactly. Browsing through this thread, I was hoping someone would hit this, so I didn't have to make the point myself, and you came through scruffy. As I read it, I found this nasty little contradiction between the rigid, stubborn Gibbs who refuses to change and adapt and the panicky Gibbs who is adopting these new techniques that he didn't use in the past. Why doesn't this guy (or any journalist, really) just look to the past and see that given time, Gibbs will come up with the right answer. Football is still fundamentally the same game it was in 1991. Sure there have been changes, but that is what last year was for. We didn't have much success, but Gibbs was learning, taking it all in, trying to fully grasp the game as it is played today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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