Darrell Green Fan

I agree and this bugs me. A few years ago Bryce Love was a first round pick that offered that home run threat. Now he may be expendable and that just seems like such a waste.

Yeah but we saw how fast Sproles was in the open field, just as we can see it with Gibson. Sproles' 40 yard time is about as meaningful as Jerry Rice's 40 time, on the field neither were caught often. But as I said they had players like this on the roster, that's good news to me that they went BPA and didn't reach to fill a need, So if they feel this way I'm OK with the pick.

Again I don't see anyone trashing the pick. As I said I'm not hating the pick but at this point in the draft with so many other holes and again with players will similar skills already on the roster I'm just pointing out a guy with 78 career touches is a bit more of a risk than normal with the 67th pick. But he could also be a real difference maker, I compare him more to Darren Sproles than McCaffery, which is why I am OK with the pick.

Ah, gotcha. I wasn't there for that, thanks for the clarification.

I don't think this is fair, and I didn't see anyone taking a steaming dump on the pick. I just think it's fair to point out that a player with 78 career touches and without a defined position is a bit of a gamble at this point in the draft for a team with so many needs to fill and again a team with players with similar skills already on the team. But I do trust this management team for a change so I'm OK with the pick, just not as thrilled as most of you guys are.

Yeah I don't hate the pick but we can only comment on the picks so far and to me this was a bigger gamble than I would have preferred at that point in the draft.

But there is no guarantee he can refine his route running and he hasn't show enough as a RB for us to have a read there. While I agree there are always gambles in the third round this appears to have a much higher boom or bust than most players picked at 67. Personally I'd have taken a flier on Jones, he's a gamble too but at least we already had players in Love and Simms to fall back on. The OT situation here is really bad, the entire OL is a big problem with Sherff possibly a one year rental, Moses at RT, the book on Christian appears to have been written, no depth with an unproven Martin starting and we still don't know what in the world will happen at LT,

In the brief clip they showed on the telecast he ran an in and the cut was not sharp at all, it was rounded like a banana and easily covered. But that was the only bad thing I saw, his speed and finding that top end gear is something that has been missing here for a long time. Still let's not pretend this was not a gamble, he could blow up but he could just as easily bust.

I have to admit my first take was this was a luxury pick for a team with so many holes. Seems like we already had this guy in the combo of Love and Sims and I would have much preferred the OL being addressed. I also agree with the draft capital used on RBs. You can't use the first round picks, RBs in the first round are rare. The truth is they have spent a lot of 3-4th round picks on running backs recently and you can find guards in those rounds. But you can never have too many weapons, this guy is incredibly explosive and I should learn by now that injured players just aren't reliable. I bet Bryce is pretty pissed, he has fallen so far from his monster junior season.

Amen to that. I had no problem openly rooting against this team because the big picture was Bruce would be out and Chase would be in. Sorry to bring this up but most of us were saying this about our first round pick in 2012.

Nobody is claiming you will get the guy rated the same at 6 that you get at 27. Again it's the collection of picks that gives you more bites at the apple is what teams try to accomplish with a trade back. For the record I'm with you and don't want them to trade out of the Chase pick, you don't pass on a player like that. But if we were picking 6 I'm pretty sure many fans would be fine with a trade back for a team with this many needs.

Yeah that's a good point that I thought of later. So if we devalue those 2012 picks a round that's a drop of 437 pts making the value of that #6 pick of 1,600 worth 1,437. So this is a slight lean for Atlanta but hardly in the "awful value" territoty that @Warhead36 was claiming. Nonsense, the draft chart is still utilized. Again you can't judge the value by who was picked, I can show you many trade backs where it worked for the team who traded back as well as examples where the player teams traded up for didn't work out. There are examples both ways obviously, we are discussing the value of that high pick and I'm just pointing out your claim that this trade wasn't close in terms of value just isn't true..

See my post above. Cleveland actually got considerably more value than the pick should have gotten them.

You really should have done your research before making this "withering brain" comment. Pick #6 is valued at 1,600 pts. Atlanta gave up #27 (680 pts) #59 (310 pts) #124 (48 pts) and then in 2012 pick #22 (780 pts) and #118 (58 pts). So Atlanta gave up 1,876 pts and received 1,600. To even make the trade dead even Atlanta should have received a late 2nd, again that's just to break even.

Boy I don't know about that. Seems to me most fans always want to trade back and accumulate picks. Of course this is a unique situation this year, we've never been in a position to draft a player like Chase Young. But if we were sitting at 6 I have little doubt most fans would be thrilled with that package.

I liked your post because this is a good example of how a trade back can backfire if you screw up the picks. But like the Rams with RGIII it still doesn't change what was received back, you just have to make the most of it. I don't have the draft value chart but seems to me that going from 6 to 27 while picking up a 2nd, 4th and a future 1 and 4 sounds like pretty good value to me, they just screwed up the picks.

Teams constantly use high picks, or even more revealing bad teams often trade multiple high picks to move into the position to draft a QB, because they don't believe the way to build a team is to build up the roster, and then slap any mid-level QB in and have lasting success. No GM has ever said that was the strategy when he is introduced, if they did believe that they would be utilizing those picks to build the roster. They trade high picks because they understand the value of the QB position, they do this for any other position which is why I will never understand the "Trent Dilfer" conversations I have had here.

So I had my first dream in a while last night, I wasn't stoned. i dreamed the county was going to cut a path through the woods beside our house (there are no woods, there is a house there) and they were running a drainage pipe to the river behind our property (it's actually a small creek). They were going to pay me to take down an old garage in the way (which does not exist in real life) and they would pay me for a structure we apparently didn't use according to the dream. Then I was told the line was carrying raw sewage into the river so this was not a pleasant dream. I think I need to smoke more dope.

The weird thing is the vapes are more convenient but they don't get me nearly as high, and it seems to wear off much faster. I've tried several different ones, they have incredibly high THC levels, but nope just didn't take. With all the news on other vapes I don't like the idea of inhaling those chemicals anyway. Oddly enough when I started using them I noticed I was dreaming again, but now I realize I just wasn't high when I went to bed. The lack of dreams is concerning, that just isn't normal and kind of hints that we are screwing with out brain. But after 45 years I have felt no long term effects so I think I'm good

I don't even like to post when I'm high. Never could function even at the small doses I do in this capacity. I mean i can do it, just don't enjoy it. No weed for me is for specific places and activities. Bike rides are much more fun, so is throwing a surface lure at sunset or watching a funny movie. Planet Earth while high is orgasmic. But going out to dinner, parties, that sort of thing were NEVER good for me when high and I never did that. Didn't like to smoke while driving on a trip either, the miles just seemed to slow down to a crawl and I figured I'd find myself in the passing lane going 54 with the turn signal on. I will do a hit and walk the dog in the woods, great fun, but as soon as I went into the restaurant to pick up a pizza I felt uncomfortable.

They offered 2 #1's for Ocho Cinco right before his inevitable decline and the Bengals turned it down. Still trying to figure who to laugh harder at for this, probably the Bengals.

How ironic seeing how obsessed he was about buying star power for much of his time here.

This is a great post and exactly why I want to take Chase. Sure they players they get with a trade back MAY be great but the odds are much higher if you take the player with the best chance of that. As we keep discussing top teams don't have good players they all have several great players and we never have that player. James is a real sore spot for me, given the safeties they have been trottiing out for a decade I wanted that guy. With that said I would have been OK with Vita Vea or Deron Payne.

I was penciling Chase and Sweat as the DEs as that's the common opinion, so I lumped Payne, Allen and Ioannidas as the DTs. I stand by my assessment, I don't see how you can say Jonathan Allen provided any more "energy" than the other 2, on the field or in the locker room. I don't hate Allen, loved the pick and still like him. But again I'll never stop believing if he played like this as a 4th rounder out of Colgate the opinion would be much different around here. I also believe with good coaching now we will see a different Jonathan Allen.

I don't see a whole lot of people agreeing with you. Matt I is their best DT and Payne is probably 2nd. I still like Allen and would not trade him for a middle-late 1st round pick. Coaching has certainly been a big factor but I still maintain some fans are overrating Jonathan Allen based on his reputation. If he was a 4th rounder from Colgate I don't think many would have your opinion based on his play on the field. But he certainly has the potential to break out but it sure hasn't happened so far.