Arsenic Posted February 17, 2015 Share Posted February 17, 2015 Id like to find a way to sign Taylor Mays from the Bengals Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TexasSkinsFan Posted February 17, 2015 Share Posted February 17, 2015 This is not a good class for safety, seems safety play especially strong safety is getting harder and harder to find Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dukes and Skins Posted February 17, 2015 Share Posted February 17, 2015 There is a CB/S guy that I saw some mock draft site mock to us in the 2nd or 3rd round named Alex Carter. They compared him to Amerson. That made me think about how Barry will feel about Amerson at CB. He might envision him playing better at safety. I would like to see him get another year at CB, but we need help everywhere and we need all our guys playing the position they are best at. Here is the nfl draft profile for Carter. http://www.nfl.com/draft/2015/profiles/alex-carter?id=2552587 Lol Alex Carter plays nothing like Amerson. That's a joke to compare him to Amerson. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morrison J Posted February 17, 2015 Share Posted February 17, 2015 Big fan of Alex Carter. Top 5 CB coming out this year in my opinion. Plays will a lot of physicality. In relation to to safeties, I'm expecting Damarious Randall to produce big combine numbers and prob push up a few draft boards. Would happily take him later in the draft if he doesn't though. No safety I've watched this year has jumped out to me at all but Randall has shown some flashes especially relative to his draft stock. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morrison J Posted February 18, 2015 Share Posted February 18, 2015 Also, I think James Sample might be getting a bit overlooked. Every time I watch Holliman I come away more impressed by Sample. Bold statement maybe, but its just what I see.. Always really impressed with Sample's positioning and dont think I've seen him take a bad angle. If he puts on some weight I think the potential is there to be a solid pro player. Yet to really see him get a proper test in coverage though. Only had one season as a starter. http://www.noonkick.com/2014-florida-state-at-louisville/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darrelgreenie Posted February 18, 2015 Author Share Posted February 18, 2015 Daniel Jeremiah almost put Sample in his top 50 draft board which would equate roughly to a 2nd roundish grade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morrison J Posted February 18, 2015 Share Posted February 18, 2015 Interesting.. Wouldn't be that high on him but I can definitely see something there. In this poor a class he may get bumped up and go earlier I suppose. Didn't realise there was hype being generated around him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darrelgreenie Posted February 18, 2015 Author Share Posted February 18, 2015 Daniel Jeremiah[/size] ✔ @MoveTheSticksFollow Only 1 safety in my updated top 50 list. James Sample (Louisville) just missed the cut. Not a good year at that position.James Sample - DB - LOU - Feb. 13 - 2:31 pm et NFL Media analyst Daniel Jeremiah is high on Louisville junior S James Sample and believes he's "a firm tackler.""Studying safeties..Really like James Sample from Louisville. Quick to read/fill & a firm tackler. I'm down on Holliman. 0 interest vs run," Jeremiah tweeted. The 6-foot-2, 190-pound Sample spent two years at the University of Washington and then left the program to play ball at American River College in California, before transferring to Louisville. In his only season starting with the Cardinals, Sample recorded 4 interceptions, 8 pass break-ups and a team-leading 90 tackles. Feb. 13 - 2:31 pm et Source: Daniel Jeremiah on Twitter In relation to to safeties, I'm expecting Damarious Randall to produce big combine numbers and prob push up a few draft boards. Would happily take him later in the draft if he doesn't though. No safety I've watched this year has jumped out to me at all but Randall has shown some flashes especially relative to his draft stock. //www.youtube.com/watch?v=xGvNTLe-tVk I haven't had the chance to chart this game. Any thoughts in summary or any + or - play stick out? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laron Burgundy Posted February 18, 2015 Share Posted February 18, 2015 <Edited out Youtube video> Landon Collins vs Florida 2014 Overall: 15 plus, 2 minus From what I recall that was Collins' best game of the year. Interested to see how you grade some of his other efforts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leonard Washington Posted February 18, 2015 Share Posted February 18, 2015 As someone who doesn't watch college football, I love these type of threads. The best part about it is one of you is correct. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darrelgreenie Posted February 18, 2015 Author Share Posted February 18, 2015 From what I recall that was Collins' best game of the year. Interested to see how you grade some of his other efforts. I gotta get through the 1st games of the rest of the QBs first but I plan to circle around again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morrison J Posted February 18, 2015 Share Posted February 18, 2015 I haven't had the chance to chart this game. Any thoughts in summary or any + or - play stick out? He looks pretty good against the run and a weapon when used to blitz. Immense burst of speed. Not tested enough in coverage but would question his positioning on a couple of plays. Another play where he goes too aggressive and draws a flag. Plays very aggressive in general. Has a way to go yet but physically he definitely has the attributes. I'd be willing to take him on as a project with a latter round pick but just have a feeling his combine numbers may bump him up a bit early. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clskinsfan Posted February 18, 2015 Share Posted February 18, 2015 I like prewitt,Drummond,smith,eskridge,& Hackett At free safety ..wouldn't be mad at any of those picks If we are talking pure FS. I like Holliman over all of them. He's not much in run support. But the guy makes plays on the ball. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DcOverAll Posted February 18, 2015 Share Posted February 18, 2015 If we are talking pure FS. I like Holliman over all of them. He's not much in run support. But the guy makes plays on the ball. .... Noooo I think Holliman is a project that had a good year ... There are at least 5 safeties I think that are better then him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laron Burgundy Posted February 19, 2015 Share Posted February 19, 2015 If we are talking pure FS. I like Holliman over all of them. He's not much in run support. But the guy makes plays on the ball. .... Noooo I think Holliman is a project that had a good year ... There are at least 5 safeties I think that are better then him Some players are ahead of their time. 20 years from now when hitting is illegal, Holliman will be looked back as the first of the next generation. All kidding aside, I've seen poor tackling before, but Holliman set a new lower limit to what I've seen. That boy just does not want to hit anyone. Saw a scout's report on him where he charted every tackle opportunity Holliman had, and he had 20 missed or broken tackles to just 40 made tackles. That is unspeakably poor. He's a guy who jumped ship to the pros early because he knew he wouldn't have another season like this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darrelgreenie Posted February 19, 2015 Author Share Posted February 19, 2015 Derron Smith vs Wyoming 2013 Overall: 5.5 plus, 1.5 minus 19 snaps 5 snaps Cover 2 4 snaps shallow Cover 2 2 snaps in the box 4 snaps Single High FS 3 snaps NB off 1 snap ? Tackling: 7 Tackle opportunties 2 individual tackles made 3 assists 1 @ 1:55 miss- QB scramble misses contact 1 bonus effort to chase, 1 questionable angle where he free hitter @ 1:32 Coverage: +2 @ (2:44) intercepts tipped pass while playing Cover 2, picks up ~25 return yards Short cut-up. But there are more game cut-ups to watch. Thoughts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darrelgreenie Posted February 20, 2015 Author Share Posted February 20, 2015 He looks pretty good against the run and a weapon when used to blitz. Immense burst of speed. Not tested enough in coverage but would question his positioning on a couple of plays. Another play where he goes too aggressive and draws a flag. Plays very aggressive in general. Has a way to go yet but physically he definitely has the attributes. I'd be willing to take him on as a project with a latter round pick but just have a feeling his combine numbers may bump him up a bit early. Good breakdown. The coverage plays I'm guessing are the same ones? How did you evaluate plays 1:41 and 2:21? Damarious Randall vs Weber State 2014 Overall: 8 plus, 1.5/2.5 minus 18 snaps 10 snaps Cover 2 0 snaps Shallow Cover 2 5 snaps in the box/edge 2 snaps deep/Single High FS 1 snaps NB off:1 Tackling: 8 Tackle opportunties 5 individual tackles made 2 assists -.5 caught in the wash: @ 1:41s -.5 half a miss @ 2:06 @1:07 comes off hash to delivery a sideline hit not a push out @ 1:14 comes up from Cover 2 avoids block, pop and wrap on RB +1 blitz pressure vs OT @ 3:02 +1 blitz pressure vs RB @ 3:30 @3:50 TFL coming form the edge Coverage: Played in Cover 2 a lot with little action. -.5 @3:39 good coverage vs fake wr screen got there a little early? -1? last play of game, not sure if its Cover 2 or Cover 3 if its Cover 2 then should have stayed overtop to help the CB if its Cover 3 no fault on the play Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darrelgreenie Posted February 20, 2015 Author Share Posted February 20, 2015 Wanted to get this out there before the SAFs run on Monday... Landon Collins Ibraheim Campbell Jackquiski Tartt Adrian Amos Damarious Randall Kurtis Drummond Quandray Diggs Anthony Jefferson Eric Rowe Cody Prewitt Chris Hacket Derron Smith Clayton Geathers Gerod Holliman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laron Burgundy Posted February 20, 2015 Share Posted February 20, 2015 Good breakdown. The coverage plays I'm guessing are the same ones? How did you evaluate plays 1:41 and 2:21? Played in Cover 2 a lot with little action. -.5 @3:39 good coverage vs fake wr screen got there a little early? -1? last play of game, not sure if its Cover 2 or Cover 3 if its Cover 2 then should have stayed overtop to help the CB if its Cover 3 no fault on the play Almost positive last play was in cover 3 based on how everyone else played that snap. The shallow coverage was zone as well and that corner wasn't handing him off. Randall breaks on the middle receiver, who was, in fact, handed off by the linebacker. Had Randall bailed to the sidelines the middle receiver would have been wide open in the end zone as the linebacker didn't flip his hips to run with him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darrelgreenie Posted February 22, 2015 Author Share Posted February 22, 2015 Ibraheim Campbell vs California 2014 Overall: 16 plus, 1 minus 25 snaps 8 snaps Cover 2 8 snaps in the box 7 shallow Cover 2 2 snaps Goal line Tackling: 17 Tackle opportunties 10 individual tackles made 6 assists 1 @ 2:25 missed/broken- hit and wrap but RB gained 2 yards after contact before going down 9 bonus plays that showed effort and aggression e.g. @ 1:46 hits with pop to create forced fumble Coverage: 8 coverages plays - quick reaction to route - good initial jam +3 @ 3:04 good initial jam, turns and runs with receiver (off screen) reads QB eyes makes diving sideline interception -made defensive call x1 I was surprised by the grade and double checked and had to nit-pick to find a minus play. Check out the cut-up maybe I missed some negatives? Thoughts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laron Burgundy Posted February 22, 2015 Share Posted February 22, 2015 I was surprised by the grade and double checked and had to nit-pick to find a minus play. Check out the cut-up maybe I missed some negatives? Thoughts? From what I could find on him he's a three time all-academic all-big 10 and he prides himself on his study habits. I'm thinking he'll move up in the draft from his current 3-4th projection. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lavar1156 Posted February 22, 2015 Share Posted February 22, 2015 I love me some Amos. Great player. Played S and CB at PSU. I would def draft him in the mid rounds. Rarely heard his name called in coverage, which is a good thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandyHolt Posted February 22, 2015 Share Posted February 22, 2015 Can someone answer the burning question in my head. How is DHall just "going to move to FS" . Why do fans just think a CB can automatically play FS or SS. I remember when we read the threads "Sign Bailey to play FS". When have you ever heard of a CB playing FS or SS when he gets older in age? I'll give you a hint, they don't. Can we please stop pretending DHall is going to be a pro bowl safety this year. He's a corner. It is kind of funny after all these years. Springs was another. Amerson, too. Biggers to open 2013 was the only time I recall it actually happening, and IIRC, we got shelled. Circling back on topic and sticking to yours, I wonder if there are corners in college GMSM is projecting to safety. I doubt it, but maybe. GMSM may have a few tricks up his sleeve, actually doing some of the things that were otherwise fan fantasy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darrelgreenie Posted February 22, 2015 Author Share Posted February 22, 2015 CBs that have played or could move to S: L. Gunter Eric Rowe DeShazor Quandre Diggs Shaw There are others... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SWFLSkins Posted February 22, 2015 Share Posted February 22, 2015 CBs that have played or could move to S: L. Gunter Eric Rowe DeShazor Quandre Diggs Shaw There are others... Quandre, LLS, was your momma doubting ya? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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