Lavarleap56 Posted February 25, 2014 Share Posted February 25, 2014 Id rather have a guy who could work the middle of the field like Landry or Robinson. We already have that type of player in the offense. I understand what you would rather have but it doesn't make a lot of sense.Landry is not an outside WR in the NFL, he is a slot WR that will play inside. Robinson is a beast in RAC but hasn't shown to be a great vertical threat. Redskins have NO VERTICAL threats that dictate to a defense. The closest one is Robinson but he's on the smaller side and won't make plays vs tight coverage deep. If you had to throw a ball 50 yards downfield what would you rather throw to? A trash can aka Smaller WR's like Robinson OR a construction dumpster aka big, tall, WR's with a BIG catch radius ? Think of Robert at Baylor.. Garcon is like K.Wright but Robert doesn't have a T.Williams or J.Gordon as a vertical threat. It's important to remember a WR core needs to compliment one another, not all be the same type of player. I'm just saying if they didn't do it in college it will be hard to expect it out of them right away in the pros. I just see it hard justifying taking Bryant at a spot where starting caliber players will be available. He did the things in college that he would be asked to do as a rookie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RemoveSnyder Posted February 25, 2014 Share Posted February 25, 2014 Telvin Smith starts growing on me. You should get that checked out by a dermatologist. ... let Telvin just run free ... Lavonte David wasn´t that big comming out of college either...that worked out pretty good. m Listed from the official weigh-in measurements of the Senior Bowl. Height Arm Hand Wing A. 72.500 inches = 6.041667 Feet (6'0" ½) 31 1/8 in = 31.125 in 8 ½ in 76 ¾ B. 74.875 inches = 6.23958 Feet (6'2" ⅞) 32 ¾ in = 32.75 in 10½ in 79 ⅜ Weight A. 225 B. 218 combine: 40-yd dash | 10-yd | 20-yd | 20-SS | 3-Cone | Vert | Broad | BP A. 4.65 s 1.63 s X 4.22 s 7.28 s 36.5 in 9 ft 11" (119 in) 19 reps B. 4.52 s 1.53 s X X X 31.5 in 9 ft 11" (119 in) X Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darrelgreenie Posted February 25, 2014 Share Posted February 25, 2014 ...I'm just saying if they didn't do it in college it will be hard to expect it out of them right away in the pros.Ok, if that's what you meant that isn't how it came across. It came across as you saying he can't do it. But look at the Baylor WRs with literally "no route tree" and they seem to be doing a good job in the pros. Then you have WRs from pro-style offenses that could run a complete NFL route tree in college come to the league and struggle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HtownRocks111 Posted February 25, 2014 Share Posted February 25, 2014 Would you guys be willing to trade our first rounder for 2015 for multiple picks in this years draft? It seems the closer we get to draft day the more I'm liking alot of guys that will last well into rounds 2 and 3... if this draft class is better then next years then I'd be tempted to stockpile this talent while its there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JKonaP Posted February 25, 2014 Share Posted February 25, 2014 Alright, I subscribe to collegefootballmetrics.com and thoough the dude isn't 100%, he hits at a higher average than the talking heads/internet pundits. He takes physical metrics and combines them with an adjusted performance metric to create a final grade. I urge any of you that play FF, and dynasty FF specifically to spend the $ and subscribe to him as well. The preface leads to the question of availability of a #1 WR at the beginning of round 2. Right now that is a real possibility. That prospect's name is Jordan Matthews. His on-field production is incredible in a tough conference, the SEC, with shotty QB play the last two years. Physically, he is just about as rare as the come. If you read CFM's scouting report, these are the WRs he matches favorably with: Larry Fitzgerald A.J. Green Alshon Jeffery Jordy Nelson Here is the report(subscription needed to read in full): http://collegefootballmetrics.com/scouting/2014/WRb_Matthews_Jordan.html 2012 numbers: 94 rec 1,323 yards 14.1 avg 8 TDs 2013 numbers: 112 rec 1,477 yards 13.2 avg 7 TDs Physical Metrics via combine: 6'3" 212 lbs with 33.25" arms and 10.5" hands! 4.46 40 yard dash. This was faster than anticipated and very close to the WRs listed above 21 bench reps which was tops in class, so we know he has the muscle tobeat bump and run 6.95 3 cone drill which is above-average agility for a big WR Not sure about the 10 yard split, but I urge everyone to checkgame tape and see these metrics in action. It is rare that a top WR is glanced over by the "experts" and available in the 30s. If we are looking for a big #1 WR, his name is Jordan Matthews and at the moment he is available in round 2. Let's do this 'skins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJD2 Posted February 25, 2014 Share Posted February 25, 2014 Would you guys be willing to trade our first rounder for 2015 for multiple picks in this years draft? It seems the closer we get to draft day the more I'm liking alot of guys that will last well into rounds 2 and 3... if this draft class is better then next years then I'd be tempted to stockpile this talent while its there. No on mortgaging the future. Especially since next year #1 could be in top half of draft again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mania Posted February 25, 2014 Share Posted February 25, 2014 Would you guys be willing to trade our first rounder for 2015 for multiple picks in this years draft? It seems the closer we get to draft day the more I'm liking alot of guys that will last well into rounds 2 and 3... if this draft class is better then next years then I'd be tempted to stockpile this talent while its there. No no no no no. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SJValleySkinz Posted February 25, 2014 Share Posted February 25, 2014 Alright, I subscribe to collegefootballmetrics.com and thoough the dude isn't 100%, he hits at a higher average than the talking heads/internet pundits. He takes physical metrics and combines them with an adjusted performance metric to create a final grade. I urge any of you that play FF, and dynasty FF specifically to spend the $ and subscribe to him as well. The preface leads to the question of availability of a #1 WR at the beginning of round 2. Right now that is a real possibility. That prospect's name is Jordan Matthews. His on-field production is incredible in a tough conference, the SEC, with shotty QB play the last two years. Physically, he is just about as rare as the come. If you read CFM's scouting report, these are the WRs he matches favorably with: Larry Fitzgerald A.J. Green Alshon Jeffery Jordy Nelson Here is the report(subscription needed to read in full): http://collegefootballmetrics.com/scouting/2014/WRb_Matthews_Jordan.html 2012 numbers: 94 rec 1,323 yards 14.1 avg 8 TDs 2013 numbers: 112 rec 1,477 yards 13.2 avg 7 TDs Physical Metrics via combine: 6'3" 212 lbs with 33.25" arms and 10.5" hands! 4.46 40 yard dash. This was faster than anticipated and very close to the WRs listed above 21 bench reps which was tops in class, so we know he has the muscle tobeat bump and run 6.95 3 cone drill which is above-average agility for a big WR Not sure about the 10 yard split, but I urge everyone to checkgame tape and see these metrics in action. It is rare that a top WR is glanced over by the "experts" and available in the 30s. If we are looking for a big #1 WR, his name is Jordan Matthews and at the moment he is available in round 2. Let's do this 'skins. This is a very wise man right here. Most complete WR in the draft outside of perhaps Mike Evans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RemoveSnyder Posted February 25, 2014 Share Posted February 25, 2014 I'm expecting big things from Jason Verrett today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lavarleap56 Posted February 25, 2014 Share Posted February 25, 2014 Alright, I subscribe to collegefootballmetrics.com and thoough the dude isn't 100%, he hits at a higher average than the talking heads/internet pundits. He takes physical metrics and combines them with an adjusted performance metric to create a final grade. I urge any of you that play FF, and dynasty FF specifically to spend the $ and subscribe to him as well. The preface leads to the question of availability of a #1 WR at the beginning of round 2. Right now that is a real possibility. That prospect's name is Jordan Matthews. His on-field production is incredible in a tough conference, the SEC, with shotty QB play the last two years. Physically, he is just about as rare as the come. If you read CFM's scouting report, these are the WRs he matches favorably with: Larry Fitzgerald A.J. Green Alshon Jeffery Jordy Nelson Here is the report(subscription needed to read in full): http://collegefootballmetrics.com/scouting/2014/WRb_Matthews_Jordan.html 2012 numbers: 94 rec 1,323 yards 14.1 avg 8 TDs 2013 numbers: 112 rec 1,477 yards 13.2 avg 7 TDs Physical Metrics via combine: 6'3" 212 lbs with 33.25" arms and 10.5" hands! 4.46 40 yard dash. This was faster than anticipated and very close to the WRs listed above 21 bench reps which was tops in class, so we know he has the muscle tobeat bump and run 6.95 3 cone drill which is above-average agility for a big WR Not sure about the 10 yard split, but I urge everyone to checkgame tape and see these metrics in action. It is rare that a top WR is glanced over by the "experts" and available in the 30s. If we are looking for a big #1 WR, his name is Jordan Matthews and at the moment he is available in round 2. Let's do this 'skins. Pass.... He doesn't compare to any of the WR's listed and most people believe he is maxed out as a player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pjfootballer Posted February 25, 2014 Share Posted February 25, 2014 Would you guys be willing to trade our first rounder for 2015 for multiple picks in this years draft? It seems the closer we get to draft day the more I'm liking alot of guys that will last well into rounds 2 and 3... if this draft class is better then next years then I'd be tempted to stockpile this talent while its there. No. We've been without a first round pick for two years. Plus you never know who will come out early next year that found deepen the draft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RemoveSnyder Posted February 25, 2014 Share Posted February 25, 2014 Oh dear, Phillip Gaines just ran a 4.34 unofficial. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RemoveSnyder Posted February 25, 2014 Share Posted February 25, 2014 Kyle Fuller, Slot DB, possible FS, for me. You might consider FS due to the ball skills and tracking. That's some good speed he showed there, can cover ground. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CRobi21 Posted February 25, 2014 Share Posted February 25, 2014 Nvm. Meant Gilbert wasnt happy with his first run. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lavarleap56 Posted February 25, 2014 Share Posted February 25, 2014 Keep an eye on A.Exum..Skins like him a lot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RemoveSnyder Posted February 25, 2014 Share Posted February 25, 2014 Two 4.34s for Phillip Gaines. Emmm Hhhmm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RemoveSnyder Posted February 25, 2014 Share Posted February 25, 2014 Keep an eye on A.Exum..Skins like him a lot Well, if I was privileged enough to be a part of the conversation, one of the first things I'd say (with a caveat) is that when you first look at him, he looks clearly like a guy who has used some performance enhancers. So, whatever issues he had with the knee (surgery) it could be tied together and whatever physical achievements he's had, they might be (could be) a bit of a false facade. Though the whole performance enhancer debate is but a niche category and (ha) we know PEDs are an integral part of the NFL. So maybe NFL folks don't really give a ****. Maybe I'd get shouted out of the room, but he looks artificially puffed up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mania Posted February 25, 2014 Share Posted February 25, 2014 Keep an eye on A.Exum..Skins like him a lot How is he rated? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RemoveSnyder Posted February 25, 2014 Share Posted February 25, 2014 I don't know anything about Terrence Brooks of FSU but he's showing up today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darrelgreenie Posted February 25, 2014 Share Posted February 25, 2014 Brooks-4.41u D.Buc-4.50u DHC-4.50u Dixon-4.54u Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darrelgreenie Posted February 25, 2014 Share Posted February 25, 2014 I don't know anything about Terrence Brooks of FSU but he's showing up today.If interested here are my charting notes on Brooks. Brooks vs Boston College: 31 plays/ 8 plus/ 4 minus Overall from this game: Usually brought his arms to wrap. Missed on a couple of cut/dive tackles and 1 poor angle but usually took good pursuit paths to ball carrier. Worked to get off blocks. Fluid movement more fast then quick/sudden. Played a some snaps as Center field FS and some in the box. Seemed more like a SS but could see him playing FS. Terrence Brooks vs Pitt 22 plays +10/-2 +5 cov Sometimes brings arms to wrap finishes tackles with leg drives. Sometimes cut tackles. Hits with pop. Willing tackler. Good pursuit paths. Active player. Good coverage instincts to break-on passes to deflect/intercept. Plays most of his snaps at Single Post FS. Fluid natural movement. http://es.redskins.com/topic/375204-one-more-time-with-kirk-opening-script-vs-the-falcons/?p=9726027 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bird_1972 Posted February 25, 2014 Share Posted February 25, 2014 I see CBS Sportsline has Brooks in the 3-4th round range. Does that still seem reasonable? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RemoveSnyder Posted February 25, 2014 Share Posted February 25, 2014 Phillip Gaines: "arrow up." Ha. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesMadisonSkins Posted February 25, 2014 Share Posted February 25, 2014 I'm intrigued by Exum if he can be had in the mid to later rounds. Would he be more of a FS or a slot CB ... or both? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RemoveSnyder Posted February 25, 2014 Share Posted February 25, 2014 Out of the safeties, Tre Boston looked the smoothest in the deep drop, flip hips and track the ball drill. P. Gaines was just natural and smooth flipping his hips. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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