inmate running the asylum Posted January 1, 2005 Share Posted January 1, 2005 The Skins can't trade Fred Smoot and it probably would not be wise to either Transition Tag him or Franchise Tag him. Although its not clear yet how much of a signing bonus Fred Smoot is asking for, if he is asking for ridiculous money like $12-15 million SB, then the Skins might want to pass on him. Two players who may be just as good in Greg Williams defensive schemes and would probably come a lot cheaper are Gary Baxter of Baltimore and Ken Lucas of Seattle, who I believe are both UFA. Ken Lucas is more of a playmaker, but Gary Baxter is bigger and could also play safety if needed. Comments? Ken Lucas CB Seattle http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/235227 Gary Baxter CB Baltimore http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/235194 Fred Smoot CB Washington http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/235244 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
laurent Posted January 1, 2005 Share Posted January 1, 2005 Either Sam Madison or Patrick Surtain might be available as well, possibly even both. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inmate running the asylum Posted January 1, 2005 Author Share Posted January 1, 2005 Originally posted by laurent Either Sam Madison or Patrick Surtain might be available as well, possibly even both. Madison is not, but Surtain may very well be. Surtain will be 29 next year, whereas Gary Baxter and Ken Lucas are a few years younger. -- Madison Unhappy with Dolphins -- Fri Dec 31, 2004 --from FFMastermind.com The Palm Beach Post reports Miami Dolphins CB Sam Madison said Thursday that he is most frustrated by the Dolphins' failure to extend the contract of fellow corner Patrick Surtain — even after Madison took a pay cut to free up money. Madison was due to make $27.7 million for the next four seasons, but before training camp he agreed to renegotiate his deal to $18 million for the same span. Madison said he was led to believe that the Dolphins would use the savings to lock up Surtain, who is entering the final year of his contract. "Somebody told me that I would finish my career here and I would be playing with one of the best corners," Madison said. "I was like, 'They're in negotiations with Pat. We can finish playing together.' I only have three years left on my deal so I was like, 'OK, I can play three years by renegotiating my deal and have a great corner on the opposite side.' I had the opportunity to take a pay cut, allow them to re-sign him and then we could do some great things down here, and now it hasn't happened yet." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. S Posted January 1, 2005 Share Posted January 1, 2005 hmm, after reading that story, Id rather not have Patrick Surtain, kinda sad really. Here's a decent player who actually took a paycut to remain with the team, only to see his friend leave. both Lucas and Baxter seem good. We may be able to land Lucas if he wants out of Seattle, but seems like he would demand money with his stats. Baxter, we could land too being nearby, but the Ravens have a way of keeping their defense together, those guys have too much fun out there, If I was on that team on defense I wouldnt wanna leave it either and would take the paycut (unless of course the skins wanted to sign me) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedDawg36 Posted January 1, 2005 Share Posted January 1, 2005 My comment is (maybe obviously): Smoot > the guys you mentioned. Ergo I feel we should REALLY try and get him back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
method man Posted January 1, 2005 Share Posted January 1, 2005 Smoot is better than Baxter and Lucas. Smoot is not just a normal player who can be replaced. He is a fiery leader. If we lose him, we are losing some of the feisty character of the redskins. But, on the other hand, if he is asking for something outside the framework of springs's deal then i would be less inclined to resign him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[[ghost]] Posted January 1, 2005 Share Posted January 1, 2005 Originally posted by RedDawg36 My comment is (maybe obviously): Smoot > the guys you mentioned. Ergo I feel we should REALLY try and get him back. bingo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B&G Posted January 1, 2005 Share Posted January 1, 2005 I hope we retain Smoot but, if not, my vote goes to Andre Dyson, the young CB currently playing for the Tennessee Titans Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jtyler42 Posted January 1, 2005 Share Posted January 1, 2005 Originally posted by method man Smoot is better than Baxter and Lucas. Smoot is not just a normal player who can be replaced. He is a fiery leader. If we lose him, we are losing some of the feisty character of the redskins. But, on the other hand, if he is asking for something outside the framework of springs's deal then i would be less inclined to resign him. I think Smoot is on par w/Lucas and Baxter I dont think he is better than them...I love Smoot as a Skin look at my sig pic, and we would lose some leadership but I think either of those two would be a more than adequate replacement... The key is Smoot realizing that he shouldnt get a deal bigger than Springs' and use his deal as a framework to get his done...IF not bye, bye.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fdarugar Posted January 1, 2005 Share Posted January 1, 2005 Surtain would be the only player mentioned better than Smoot. Lucas is probly on par with Smoot. Baxter is a physical CB and being in the area he could be a possible replacement. I would be most confident with Surtain as Smoots replacement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skins11 Posted January 2, 2005 Share Posted January 2, 2005 We HAVE to resign Smoot. That said, if we can afford to waste $8 million+ on Brunell, then we can afford a big signing bonus for Smoot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeHateMe Posted January 2, 2005 Share Posted January 2, 2005 I like Baxter a lot. Not too high on Lucas. But I'd jump on Surtain if he became available. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simmsm88 Posted January 2, 2005 Share Posted January 2, 2005 Surtain > Smoot > Baxter and Lucas. Surtain would looking for more money than Smoot would probably though. If you can't spend the money on Smoot I'd doubt you could afford Surtain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bubba9497 Posted January 2, 2005 Share Posted January 2, 2005 Smoooooooooooooooooooot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
terpfan Posted January 2, 2005 Share Posted January 2, 2005 I want Smoot. We HAVE to be able to afford him. That said, Surtain is extremely underrated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Williams Posted January 2, 2005 Share Posted January 2, 2005 Originally posted by terpfan I want Smoot. We HAVE to be able to afford him. That said, Surtain is extremely underrated. not really......maybe to theaverage person but not to people who are really into football....... the easiest way to tell if someone is UNDERRATED is check his madden rating;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inmate running the asylum Posted January 2, 2005 Author Share Posted January 2, 2005 Well today was the first time I've seen any figures thrown out there as to what the Skins FO is offering Smoot. Reportedly it was a $10.3 Mil signing bonus. Seems fair to me. Its $300k more then Shaun Springs got last year. I'm glad it was not $12-15 million SB which a few guys on the board here were claiming Smoot was worth. Being cap squeezed, the Skins can't afford any more of these ridiculous FA signings which they have done in the past. Smoot had an all-pro type year, but he hasn't had all pro years every year he has been here. If Smoot doesn't take the offer, then I bet we can get CB Ken Lucas for the same amount, who will do just as well in Greg Williams schemes. I think much will depend on how well Walt Harris plays against the Vikings Sunday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dfbovey Posted January 2, 2005 Share Posted January 2, 2005 Smoot doesn't deserve a bigger contract than Shawn Springs. Smoot is a good corner but I think he may be listening to the wrong people in addition to having an over inflated sense of self worth. Skins want to pay him as a top ten corner... that's fair. If we do lose Smoot, they may use the draft pick on a physical corner like Antrel Rolle to replace him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Busch1724 Posted January 2, 2005 Share Posted January 2, 2005 What was Smoot asking for? From what I read it was very reasonable. It was in the 5-6 year range for 30 million. Not sure on signing bonus numbers though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garg8050 Posted January 2, 2005 Share Posted January 2, 2005 Given the new rules, there are NO shutdown CB's anymore (as Denver is finding out). I believe the front office at least suspected trouble resigning Smoot, hence the signings of Walt Harris and Ralph Brown (subsequently cut). The coaching staff really seems high on Rufus Brown and Wilds, as well. I suspect if Smoot isn't resigned that the team will look for a cheaper 2nd/3rd CB or just wait and see how the young guys develop heading into camp. I don't see the front office breaking the bank to resign Smoot. I really think his performance this year is more a function of Williams system more so than individual excellence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Akhhorus Posted January 2, 2005 Share Posted January 2, 2005 Lucas would be a good fit, Springs and him know each other from Seattle and he's not a guy who gets beat a lot and can tackle well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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