E-Dog Night Posted December 6, 2004 Share Posted December 6, 2004 Not usually a position you think too much about, but it seems pretty clear that Raymer's best days are behind him, and if Freidman can't beat him out, then somebody new needs to be in there. If anyone has a list of FA centers for next year please post 'em. As far as the draft goes: 1. Ben Wilkerson, LSU http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/playerprofiles/c/benwilkerson.html 2. Vince Carter, Oklahoma http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/playerprofiles/c/vincecarter.html 3. Dylan Gandy, Texas Tech http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/playerprofiles/c/dylangandy.html 4. Scott Mruczkowski, Bowling Green http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/playerprofiles/c/scottmruczkowski.html 5. Drew Hodgdon, Arizona State http://www.nfldraftblitz.com/Profiles/drewhodgdonprofile.htm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riggo-toni Posted December 6, 2004 Share Posted December 6, 2004 Center is definitely the weak link in our line at the moment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkinsCrunkin Posted December 6, 2004 Share Posted December 6, 2004 Couldn't agree more...Raymer looks terrible on every down.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fred Jones Posted December 6, 2004 Share Posted December 6, 2004 We definitely need to draft a center, but we should bring in a vet with a year or two left until his replacement is ready. Besides resigning Smoot and Pierce I believe this is our most pressing need. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mookie0720 Posted December 6, 2004 Share Posted December 6, 2004 Raymer is pitiful, I'd draft a center in round 3. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drex Posted December 6, 2004 Share Posted December 6, 2004 We need a center badly. Whether it's through the draft or via free agency, we need an upgrade at this position. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Potato Sack Posted December 6, 2004 Share Posted December 6, 2004 He just looked like his head was not in the game. It really pisses me off. Every lineman played hard, even Samuels. Then you have this friggin center playing like he just came off the practice squad. Note to Raymer: we DO want to win the last 4 games. Get your damn head in the game already! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SRBFan Posted December 6, 2004 Share Posted December 6, 2004 I cannot believe that Friedman can play any worse than Raymer is. Wasn't Friedman benched because of a couple of bad snaps? The only 2 bad offensive plays yesterday (The calling back of a touchdown due to holding, and the only sack allowed), were totally Raymer's fault. Surely Friedman can do better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dead Money Posted December 6, 2004 Share Posted December 6, 2004 He got manhandled yesterday....(period) Does a drafted center come in and immediately contribute??? Or is it a better position to fill in free agency??? Who's got the answer??????? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Art Posted December 6, 2004 Share Posted December 6, 2004 Raymer, certainly, has been the weakest player on the line at this point. He consistently gives up quick, early pressure almost every time we TRY to develop a deep passing route. I think this is a spot we really need to improve in the offseason, but, I suspect we may look toward a free agent player instead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cskin Posted December 6, 2004 Share Posted December 6, 2004 I don't think it's Raymer's head thats the problem, I believe the injuries to his knees and ankle (achilles) have caught up to him. He can no longer hold up at the point of attack because he lacks the strength in his lower body. On Ramsey's sack he was out of position and the DT just threw him to the side like a ragdoll and then sat on Ramsey. On the holding penalty he was again out of position, due to his poor base, and grabbed the guys collar and jerked him. I fully expect him to be released this offseason. As for the whole O-line... I couldn't believe how they were finishing blocks. They were sealing the pursuit off and really opening up seams for Portis. I thought Samuels played like a man possessed..... completely manhandling his assignment and blocking anyone in sight until the whistle blew. Watch the tape of Dockery, I don't think I've seen a guard that spends as much time on the ground as he does. He must have the worst balance in the world. I'm hoping in the offseason that the coaching staff asks him to loose 20 or 30 pounds. He seems weigh to heavy to use his feet effectively. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
E-Dog Night Posted December 6, 2004 Author Share Posted December 6, 2004 Does a drafted center come in and immediately contribute??? Or is it a better position to fill in free agency??? Who's got the answer??????? That's what I want to know. I think FA would be better, but the question is, who's the best FA center available? Anyone? Bueller? Anyone? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PCRoughrider Posted December 6, 2004 Share Posted December 6, 2004 Raymer is chronically being pushed back into the backfield. It's been like that all season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TLusby Posted December 6, 2004 Share Posted December 6, 2004 Originally posted by IbleedBurgundy&Gold Does a drafted center come in and immediately contribute??? Or is it a better position to fill in free agency??? Who's got the answer??????? That's what I want to know. I think FA would be better, but the question is, who's the best FA center available? Anyone? Bueller? Anyone? Exactly, who is out there? Come on smart guys! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RabidFan Posted December 6, 2004 Share Posted December 6, 2004 Frye? Frye? Frye? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkinsNorth Posted December 6, 2004 Share Posted December 6, 2004 The draft is relatively weak at the centre position and it is very rare for a college centre to start in the pros as a rookie, IMO, if teh skins want immediate help, it must come thru FA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
E-Dog Night Posted December 6, 2004 Author Share Posted December 6, 2004 Damien Woody from the Pats is the only guy I could find that's made a name for himself. He's listed as a guard but he's more of a natural center. http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/133456 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fdarugar Posted December 6, 2004 Share Posted December 6, 2004 Quality FA centers can come cheaply. Stud centers don't come around too often and this draft doesn't have one. I think as of now we need to get a replacement for Raymer through FA and trade down in the first round of the draft to pick the Elton Brown the guard from UVA. We could also use our 3rd rounder on a center. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trevor Posted December 6, 2004 Share Posted December 6, 2004 Originally posted by IbleedBurgundy&Gold Damien Woody from the Pats is the only guy I could find that's made a name for himself. He's listed as a guard but he's more of a natural center. http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/133456 Woody signed a big deal with Detroit last offseason. So we wont be getting him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SonnyRules Posted December 6, 2004 Share Posted December 6, 2004 I really like Corey; even have an autographed picture from him the last time he was here. However, more than once, I saw him on the seat of his pants, starring at his guy breaking into the backfield. We have to upgrade the center position without question. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrfriedm Posted December 6, 2004 Share Posted December 6, 2004 This Dylan Gandy, sounds pretty good, from the little info that was provided. I defenitly think that we should address this postition in the mid to early late rounds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrfriedm Posted December 6, 2004 Share Posted December 6, 2004 Originally posted by fdarugar Quality FA centers can come cheaply. Stud centers don't come around too often and this draft doesn't have one. I think as of now we need to get a replacement for Raymer through FA and trade down in the first round of the draft to pick the Elton Brown the guard from UVA. We could also use our 3rd rounder on a center. Please don't go on that, "we need to draft the entire UVA team" kick again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BayouBrave86 Posted December 6, 2004 Share Posted December 6, 2004 Wilkerson is a stud. He has been LSU's best offensive lineman the past 4 years. He came in and started as a true freshman. He might slip down to the 3rd round because of his season ending injury. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fdarugar Posted December 6, 2004 Share Posted December 6, 2004 Originally posted by jrfriedm Please don't go on that, "we need to draft the entire UVA team" kick again. and since when is elton brown the entire UVA team? i'm not a UVA fan but from what I've seen this kid and he is a manchild. you need to get off whatever high horse you are on, I'm a knowledgable fan and would not base my opinions on homer bias. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Montilar Posted December 6, 2004 Share Posted December 6, 2004 There has not been a "drafted the entire UVA kick"on the board. The draftable players from uva who would fill weaknesses on the skins has been mentioned as possibilities to consider, just like Wilkerson, Kiwanawhatever from BC, players from USC, Auburn, Michigan, and many others have been mentioned. It just so happens UVa has what is likely the best G AND the best TE available in the draft. And a DE who was touted as a top DE before getting injured. UVA has 4 draftable players that might go early in the draft and help a team. Lundy is the 4th (I think he's the sr with Pearman being a jr.) I'm wondering if maybe some of VT's OL or DL might be worthy of looking at as well. Vt's DL might not be highly touted, but they all have that 150% effort and desire. Might be a Salavea or Noble in that group to be had later in the draft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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