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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Die Hard:<br /><strong> </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"><strong>Originally posted by Qcard:<br />YES, Jerry's plan failed and we move on. <br />The rebulding phase started last season if you do not realize that then debating with you is futile.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">The first step of correcting any problem is admitting there is a problem. I haven't heard Jerry Jones making any apologies for drafting Quincy Carter last year or any other picks for that matter. Nor has he hired a competent GM or other staffers.<br /><br />What exactly leads you to believe you've 'moved on'?</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Quincy Carter broke your hearts last year. What makes you think Quincy Carter will not succeed. Did you close your eyes when Quincy threw that picture perfect strike to Ismail. If you really think Quincy is not worth his salt - TAKE A TIMEOUT AND FIGURED OUT WHO WAS TOSSING ALL THOSE BOMBS TO CHAMP BAILEY AT GEORGIA, BETTER GO THE SKINS TRAINING CAMP AND PERSONALLY ASK CHAMP WHAT HE THINKS ABOUT QUINCY. HOW F' NAIVE ARE . DO YOU THINK JERRY WOULD MORTGAGE THE FUTURE ON A SUSPECT QB. QUINCY HAD A LOT OF SUCCESS BEFORE HE GOT INJURED IN COLLEGE. A DIAMOND IN A ROUGH AND YOUR TEAM WILL BE ON THE RECEIVING END OF HIS A$$ WHOOPING HE ALREADY HAS CHAMP BAILEY'S NUMBER.

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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Art:<br /><strong>I have been trying to avoid this thread. I'll give it another few minutes, but Q, when you entered this thread, I took it on faith you might not be quite as foolhardy as you are ending this thread appearing. Ask around, what you do not want is for me to start teaching you what it really is to debate and talk trash with the best of them. You are being well handled now, but, if you keep up the incredible stupidity, I might just carve out an afternoon to treat you rather less kindly. <img border="0" title="" alt="[smile]" src="smile.gif" /> .</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">OOOH I AM SCARED. GET REAL BUDDY I GOT 9 GAMES WORTH OF TRASH TALKING, HALF DECADE OF DOMINANCE. I CAN TOP ANY STAT, PLAYER AND TEAM ACCOMPLISHMENT YOU SPEW WITH FACTS.

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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Brave:<br /><strong>"Brave, you must've still been asleep dude... " - Blade<br /><br />Oh sh!t! You're absolutely right! <br /><br />Yes, I was still asleep AND still feeling the effects of those big and pricey beers at the Canes game last night.<br /><br />My apologies, Q. Thanks Blade.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">thats cool.

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Alright, I admit that I didn't bother wading through this entire thread, so I imagine these points have been brought up and summarily ignored by this oaf. I should do my part in letting this thread die, but I just have to ask QCard a couple of questions.<br /><br />You talk about the game QC had against the Redskins last year. I seem to remember Heath Shuler carving up your boys down in Dallas in '95, a year where the Redskins went 6-10 and your team won the Super Bowl. Obviously his success in that game did not translate into a successful career. Why do you think that Carter's success in a game (one play) last year translates into greatness for him?<br /><br />If the Cowboys are so sold on Carter, why did they go and shell out big bonus $ on an unknown quantity like Hutchinson? Doesn't that suggest at least the slightest bit of doubt in the organization's mind about Carter? Wouldn't it be better for the team, in terms of the cap, if the bonus baby beat out the guy with far less dollars committed to him?

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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by SonnyJ:<br /><strong>Alright, I admit that I didn't bother wading through this entire thread, so I imagine these points have been brought up and summarily ignored by this oaf. I should do my part in letting this thread die, but I just have to ask QCard a couple of questions.<br /><br />You talk about the game QC had against the Redskins last year. I seem to remember Heath Shuler carving up your boys down in Dallas in '95, a year where the Redskins went 6-10 and your team won the Super Bowl. Obviously his success in that game did not translate into a successful career. Why do you think that Carter's success in a game (one play) last year translates into greatness for him?<br /><br />If the Cowboys are so sold on Carter, why did they go and shell out big bonus $ on an unknown quantity like Hutchinson? Doesn't that suggest at least the slightest bit of doubt in the organization's mind about Carter? Wouldn't it be better for the team, in terms of the cap, if the bonus baby beat out the guy with far less dollars committed to him?</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">First, we will be in agreement if I stated that finding a Franchise QB is a very difficult task. Being a skins fan you should know this. Jerry is playing the percentages. He is stock pilling QBs on the roster with potential without using a high draft picks which would severly hamper the team if the QB does not pan out ala Heath Shuler or Ryan Leaf. Carter, Hutchinson and Leaf were once considered(during their collegiate careers) promising NFL QB prospects. Quincy Carter before his injuries was a heismann hopeful. He has a enormous upside and if he fails the cap ramifications are not as severe as Leaf's with SanDiego or Heath Shuler with the Redskins. The price to pay will be Jerry's ego tarnished. Chad Hutchinson was also considered a first round draft pick before he opted to go the baseball route. It will only cost the Cowboys 3.1 million in cap hit spread over 7 seasons if he can not acclimate to the NFL. The upside by far out weighs the downside. <br />Secondly, Quincy Carter had more than 1 good game. He earned offensive player of the week against the playoff bound 49ers and carved the Giants up 2 weeks earlier. Basically after unceding a proven veteran (Tony Banks) in camp, looking like a deer in headlights against a physical team in Tampa bay week 1, sufferng a injury(set back), Quincy carter came back to lead the team to 3 impressive victories. Did you watch the 49ers game? In 6 starts Quincy Carter showed impressive improvemment after injuries retarded his development. <br />Lastly, In 1995 when the skins swept Dallas Gus started the game in Dallas. What are talking about? Heath Shuler only played 7 games that season. he was either benched or injured during the latter part of the season. TRIED TO SLIP ANOTHER FALSE STATEMENT BY ME. GET REAL.<br /> I am a Quincy Carter supporter, if he fails I will eat crow and shut up. Never put all your eggs in 1 basket. Jerry knows injuries and development at the QB position are serious factors, shouldn't he cover his *** just incase Quincy falls on his face. The redskins did by signing Gus in the seventh round and they got seventh round production. Jerry is stocking piling previous 1st round prospects, hoping to find a gem in the rough without morgaging the future.<br /> <br /> <small>[ April 04, 2002, 02:52 PM: Message edited by: Qcard ]</small>

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QCard wrote....<br /><br />"OOOH I AM SCARED. GET REAL BUDDY I GOT 9 GAMES WORTH OF TRASH TALKING, HALF DECADE OF DOMINANCE. I CAN TOP ANY STAT, PLAYER AND TEAM ACCOMPLISHMENT YOU SPEW WITH FACTS."<br /><br />As I've stated previously, it saddens me greatly to see fans - be they bandwagon hoppers or some confused incestial emergence -- of a once great team think they are really getting to me or other Redskin fans by offering nine straight as some kind of anthem.<br /><br />I mean, I don't get riled up when I see a bunch of homosexuals shouting their Gay Pride anthem, so I'm not going to get worked up by your similarly soft slogan. I realize that for a team of a once solid history, you need to grasp at whatever straws of success you can find.<br /><br />I understand that for you being 5-11 is an impressive feat as long as you have wins against the Redskins. Being such a lousy team that the Cowboys have so clearly become makes you look for positives in the negative world view of your team. For you, it's somehow impressive that you beat the Redskins, a team that has largely been average over the last five years, and still that has largely been more accomplished than the Cowboys over that same time.<br /><br />You see, no matter what stats you think you can counter me with, all you have is "Nine straight," to counter the fact that we're better than you today and have been for a few years. Just like when we swept you on the way to the Super Bowl, it made us feel good as Redskin fans, but, ultimately, it was hollow, as you must feel, because, YOU were the better team.<br /><br />Tide has turned and you can enter whatever masturbatory glee you feel. The fact is, you have NO stats to counter the facts that your team has been 5-11 for two straight years. You have no counter to being the awful, last-placed team you were. That's reality.<br /><br />Now, to you, if "Nine Straight" is your "Gay Pride" that's great. Keep marching little soldier. But, the whippin' won't be less for it.

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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Art:<br /><strong>QCard wrote....<br /><br />"OOOH I AM SCARED. GET REAL BUDDY I GOT 9 GAMES WORTH OF TRASH TALKING, HALF DECADE OF DOMINANCE. I CAN TOP ANY STAT, PLAYER AND TEAM ACCOMPLISHMENT YOU SPEW WITH FACTS."<br /><br />As I've stated previously, it saddens me greatly to see fans - be they bandwagon hoppers or some confused incestial emergence -- of a once great team think they are really getting to me or other Redskin fans by offering nine straight as some kind of anthem.<br /><br />I mean, I don't get riled up when I see a bunch of homosexuals shouting their Gay Pride anthem, so I'm not going to get worked up by your similarly soft slogan. I realize that for a team of a once solid history, you need to grasp at whatever straws of success you can find.<br /><br />I understand that for you being 5-11 is an impressive feat as long as you have wins against the Redskins. Being such a lousy team that the Cowboys have so clearly become makes you look for positives in the negative world view of your team. For you, it's somehow impressive that you beat the Redskins, a team that has largely been average over the last five years, and still that has largely been more accomplished than the Cowboys over that same time.<br /><br />You see, no matter what stats you think you can counter me with, all you have is "Nine straight," to counter the fact that we're better than you today and have been for a few years. Just like when we swept you on the way to the Super Bowl, it made us feel good as Redskin fans, but, ultimately, it was hollow, as you must feel, because, YOU were the better team.<br /><br />Tide has turned and you can enter whatever masturbatory glee you feel. The fact is, you have NO stats to counter the facts that your team has been 5-11 for two straight years. You have no counter to being the awful, last-placed team you were. That's reality.<br /><br />Now, to you, if "Nine Straight" is your "Gay Pride" that's great. Keep marching little soldier. But, the whippin' won't be less for it.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Well, I will be a bigger man than you are and refrain from the incest, masturbation and gay cliche's. It is a shame you would associate such moronic statements with a awesome player and class individual in ART MONK (your login name). <br />I talk trash, but being a visitor on this forum I refrain from childish abuses. My trash talking is confined within the parameters of football facts and stats. <br />It is easy to to spew insults over the internet because their are no ramifications. <br />I will be the classy individual and continue debating with the likes of REDMAN AND DARKHORSE.<br />REDSKINS HISTORY AND TRADITION IS WHAT MAKES YOU PROUD TO BE A FAN.<br />WHY DOES IT HURT YOU SO MUCH WHEN I EMBRASS MY HISTORY?<br />GET REAL, BETTER YET GROW UP!!!<br /> p.s. Isn't it your coach who is calling out the 5-11 last place Cowboys!!! he should be calling out the Eagles. Let me break it down for you brother. SS KNOWS THAT BEATING THE COWBOYS MEANS A WHOLE LOT MORE TO YOUR FRANCHISE THAN IT DOES TO US SMACKING YOU 9 STRAIGHT TIMES. - SPEAK ABOUT LOW EXPECTATIONS. I THOUGHT OWNERS ONLY GOT GAME BALLS AFTER WINNING THE SUPERBOWL HEHEHEHE<br /> <br /> <small>[ April 04, 2002, 03:13 PM: Message edited by: Qcard ]</small>

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Reply within....<br /><br />"Well, I will be a bigger man than you are and refrain from the incest, masturbation and gay cliche's."<br /><br />I'm sure you will attempt to be the bigger man, but, you can confidently understand that that is not a possibility. <br /><br />"It is a shame you would associate such moronic statements with a awesome player and class individual in ART MONK (your login name)."<br /><br />Q, my name is Art. Might it be possible I use my own name when I speak? That thought ever penetrate your sun-baked cranium?<br /><br />"I talk trash, but being a visitor on this forum I refrain from childish abuses."<br /><br />Being an administrator of this forum, why would one want to avoid childish abuses? You do talk trash, but, that is defined as worthless or discarded material. Again, I took on faith that you were actually TRYING to be reasonable when you started here. It turns out you weren't. It turns out you were just trying to be a bore. I do apologize if you were attempting some uplifting football discourse considering the glaring errors and foolhardy statements you decided to make. You can understand my confusion given your own inability to make a lot of sense.<br /><br />"My trash talking is confined within the parameters of football facts and stats."<br /><br />No it's not. Because if it was, you'd recognize that 8-8, no matter how bad it is, is substantially better than 5-11. Nine straight is meaningless for a 5-11 team. Nine straight is especially meaningless for a team that has been 5-11 two straight years. You didn't want to talk football. You wanted to somehow think nine straight is more important to a conversation than 10-22. Trust me, it's not all that cool. Not even as your anthem. <br /><br />"It is easy to to spew insults over the internet because their are no ramifications."<br /><br />Any ramifications you think you are capable of providing, let me know and I'll make myself available.<br /><br />"I will be the classy individual and continue debating with the likes of REDMAN AND DARKHORSE.<br />REDSKINS HISTORY AND TRADITION IS WHAT MAKES YOU PROUD TO BE A FAN.<br />WHY DOES IT HURT YOU SO MUCH WHEN I EMBRASS MY HISTORY?"<br /><br />It hurts me to see a flamer dressed in Dale's clothing. You don't see Dale inspiring the beating you are taking. Ask yourself why.<br /><br />"GET REAL, BETTER YET GROW UP!!!"<br /><br />From the mirror, the reflection you see would do well to listen.

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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Lastly, In 1995 when the skins swept Dallas Gus started the game in Dallas. What are talking about? Heath Shuler only played 7 games that season. he was either benched or injured during the latter part of the season. TRIED TO SLIP ANOTHER FALSE STATEMENT BY ME. GET REAL.</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Um, wrong, butt-munch. Frerotte started the game at RFK. Shuler started the game at Dallas. You lost both games. Try checking your facts before you post for a change.<br /><br />And the Cowboys aren't going to take 7 years to evaluate Hutchinson. For that type of $, they're going to make their decision PDQ, and if he doesn't pan out, he'll be a blight on their cap. You don't give someone $3.1 million in signing bonus on a wing and a prayer - you expect that player to produce. Maybe they haven't invested a first-round pick in the guy, but he sure is being paid like a mid-to-low first rounder. If JJ is throwing that kind of money around (Hutchinson), and using high draft picks (Carter), just to throw against the wall and see what sticks, then he's a bigger fool than I thought. Those are major investments. Those players are expected to be producers in a relatively short time frame. My guess is that he is panicking because he doesn't believe that Carter is "the man."<br /><br />The Redskins are kind of taking the see what sticks approach now with their QBs. They can't do that forever, but the difference is that the Redskins have scant invested in these guys. But, if the team takes a QB in round 1 or 2 of the draft, I expect that guy to be somewhat productive by the 2003 season. If they sign someone like Blake and give him a $3+ million bonus, I expect that guy to produce immediately.<br /><br />Hey, if you go for JJ's approach to building a team, you're in luck. However, it's hardly considered wise to "stockpile" expensive (some might say questionable) investments in a position where only one guy can emerge. Either way, they've squandered either a high pick, or created a cap headache. It would be like using your first and second round picks on a QB. You can't honestly believe that this is a rational approach to finding a QB, can you?

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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">p.s. Isn't it your coach who is calling out the 5-11 last place Cowboys!!! he should be calling out the Eagles. Let me break it down for you brother. SS KNOWS THAT BEATING THE COWBOYS MEANS A WHOLE LOT MORE TO YOUR FRANCHISE THAN IT DOES TO US SMACKING YOU 9 STRAIGHT TIMES. - SPEAK ABOUT LOW EXPECTATIONS. I THOUGHT OWNERS ONLY GOT GAME BALLS AFTER WINNING THE SUPERBOWL HEHEHEHE</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">WHAT HAPPENED TO THE REPONSE TO THIS STATEMENT.<br />Okay ARTTY,<br />I have no illusions that the Cowboys have not been pathetic the past 2 seasons.<br />I will agree that your team has a better nucleus or core of players.<br />I will agree the Redskins are a better team on paper, but on the past 9 Sundays my team has been better. <br />I am man enough to accept the facts, but I would prefer if you keep your insults to yourself. If you want to call me out the so be it. I guess because you are moderator you get away with you ***** moves. <br />Now I reside in both Greenbelt MD and South East DC. That means if you live withinthe beltway I am available. Do not call me out and expect me to back down. I go to every Cowboy game and even the most obnoxious Skins fans have more class than you. If you find fault in my posts then refute it and state facts, but if you want to question my intelligence and insult me, then let me know where you reside and I can met you face to face and you can repeat the same crap you are spewing.<br />Fans rag on each other everyday about victories and losses. Not every team can win the Superbowl in a given year so you have to lay your head on what you got and hope the best the next year.<br />If you can't keep the trash talking confined to football then give me a time date, and location.<br />P.s. Our team has been ***** slapping you guys before we even took the field- $2500 worth hehe:<br /><a href="http://espn.go.com/page2/wash/s/toomay/020314.html" target="_blank">http://espn.go.com/page2/wash/s/toomay/020314.html</a><br /> <br /> <small>[ April 04, 2002, 03:59 PM: Message edited by: Qcard ]</small>

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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Art:<br /><strong>I have been trying to avoid this thread. I'll give it another few minutes, but Q, when you entered this thread, I took it on faith you might not be quite as foolhardy as you are ending this thread appearing. Ask around, what you do not want is for me to start teaching you what it really is to debate and talk trash with the best of them. You are being well handled now, but, if you keep up the incredible stupidity, I might just carve out an afternoon to treat you rather less kindly. <img border="0" title="" alt="[smile]" src="smile.gif" /> .</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">ooooo wow ART is the secret weapon.<br />Extremist this guy Qcard is too much (drum roll) Bring out "THE ART".

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QCard.....who cares?........new season, new possibilities. if 9 straight sizzles your bacon - terrific! i've already overwritten those sectors in my cranial ram. when the skins win, and they will win one this year, what will be your response? "well, we won the last 9/10". nobody will care - it's the road ahead, not the path behind that matters. the boys are improving, so are we. we'll see how this pans out in the fall. btw, how many years do emmit and larry allen have left? i think you have other things to worry about....

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Reply within:<br /><br />"WHAT HAPPENED TO THE REPONSE TO THIS STATEMENT."<br /><br />This may astound you QCard, but, when you are going to edit your nuggets of sun-stroked idiocy, it's not always possible that a person responding will even take a gander at your edit. Perhaps when you are done talking and have something else to say you may be able to figure out the intricacies of the "Post reply" button, rather than the edit button. How's that?<br /><br />"Okay ARTTY,<br />I have no illusions that the Cowboys have not been pathetic the past 2 seasons."<br /><br />Then you have not that illusion among your others. It is good to see such progress. The more reality you can touch, the closer you will be to being worthwhile.<br /><br />"I will agree that your team has a better nucleus or core of players."<br /><br />You are doing so well buckaroo. I'm proud.<br /><br />"I will agree the Redskins are a better team on paper, but on the past 9 Sundays my team has been better."<br /><br />And just as you were doing so well, you have that whole, illusion thing come back in your mind. No one questions the Cowboys have beaten the Redskins. But, just as no one thought the Redskins were a better team than the Dallas Cowboys when Dallas won the Super Bowl and we swept you, no one thinks Dallas is a better team than Washington despite their recent success. Again, we're back to the point that in an effort to glaze over your awful team you've latched on to ONE positive. It's like falling from a cliff and breaking every bone in your body but your thumb, and being happy you didn't break your thumb.<br /><br />It's a meaningless statement, made by a desperate fan of a lousy team hoping to extract some desperation from other fans he mistakenly feels he has some advantage over. I don't talk a lot of junk about the Cowboys because they deserve the credit for beating the Redskins and as a Redskin fan, I tip my hat to them. I also have to look downward in the standings to find them which gives my neck a terrible cramp, so you can understand when I'm not overly impressed with your success.<br /><br />"I am man enough to accept the facts, but I would prefer if you keep your insults to yourself. If you want to call me out the so be it. I guess because you are moderator you get away with you ***** moves."<br /><br />I get away with it because it is true. You decided to be clouded in your statements and you got called on it. What is, is. Dallas is 10-22 in the last two years. I didn't make it so. It just happens to be what is. Don't hate me for making you see what is actually the case. And, as a fan, don't settle for symbolic victories when real victories are so difficult to witness.<br /><br />"Now I reside in both Greenbelt MD and South East DC. That means if you live withinthe beltway I am available."<br /><br />I'll be sure to exchange numbers when I come for a visit.<br /><br />"Do not call me out and expect me to back down."<br /><br />I don't expect you to back down. I prefer it when you don't. Desperation is much easier to counter than reason. <br /><br />"I go to every Cowboy game and even the most obnoxious Skins fans have more class than you."<br /><br />May be just so. May be that you aren't accustomed to having the reality of your football team's struggles focused on so and you think this is an insult. It's not. It just is, what is.<br /><br />"If you find fault in my posts then refute it and state facts, but if you want to question my intelligence and insult me, then let me know where you reside and I can met you face to face and you can repeat the same crap you are spewing."<br /><br />I did refute your statement to me with facts. You said nothing I could say could not be countered with your stats and in fact, I say you are 10-22 and that you are a last-place team and there are no stats that can make you anything OTHER than what you are, because those are the stats that define you. As for meeting, if you are insistent upon such a thing, which, I promise, will go much worse for you than this, feel free to private message me and I will exchange home addresses with you so if either of us are in the area, we can chat. How'd that be?<br /><br />"Fans rag on each other everyday about victories and losses. Not every team can win the Superbowl in a given year so you have to lay your head on what you got and hope the best the next year."<br /><br />And there is the most coherent thing I've seen you say for some time in this thread. If you want to admit this fact, the fact that I said you were leaning on, that ends any debate. I told you that you were focusing on whatever minimal positives you could find to cope with such terrible performances, and you confirm it here. You are absolutely correct that as a fan you lay your head on what you got and hope for the best the following year. Just as I told you you were doing and you seemed to find error in the statement. Thank you for restating what I told you you were doing.<br /><br />"If you can't keep the trash talking confined to football then give me a time date, and location."<br /><br />Yawn. The first response of the mentally weak is to challenge a physical confrontation. It never fails. Again, we can exchange whatever personals you wish, and I can assure you, without heavy weaponry or substantially larger numbers, such a set up will be immensely painful for you. However, you can always smile and be happy you didn't break your thumb in the occasion.<br /><br />"P.s. Our team has been ***** slapping you guys before we even took the field- $2500 worth hehe:<br />[url=http://espn.go.com/page2/wash/s/toomay/020314.html]http://espn.go.com/page2/wash/s/toomay/020314.html"<br /><br />P.S. Your team is a last-place team. Keep laying your head on the whatever you have, because what you have most of, is last place. Cheers.

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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Kilmer17:<br /><strong>Not True Dale. I have PERSONALLY been at a reception where Richt, on the record, stated that David Green was going to be his starter whether Quincy stayed or not. He also added DJ Shockley to back him up (even as a freshman).<br /><br />I know it's hard for Cowboy fans to accept, but trust me, his demise was even harder for us Georgia fans to stomach.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Well Kilmer, he must have been lying through his teeth in that radio report I heard then.

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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Qcard:DO YOU THINK JERRY WOULD MORTGAGE THE FUTURE ON A SUSPECT QB.</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Yes. He already did that on a suspect (and now injured) WR. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Razz]" src="tongue.gif" />

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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Qcard:Lastly, In 1995 when the skins swept Dallas Gus started the game in Dallas. What are talking about? Heath Shuler only played 7 games that season. he was either benched or injured during the latter part of the season. TRIED TO SLIP ANOTHER FALSE STATEMENT BY ME. GET REAL.</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Wrong again. <a href="http://www.football-reference.com/games/ShulHe00.htm#1995" target="_blank">Shuler started at Dallas in week 14</a> for the <a href="http://www.football-reference.com/teams/was1995.htm" target="_blank">Redskins in 1995</a>. <br /><br /><a href="http://www.football-reference.com/games/FrerGu00.htm#1995" target="_blank">Frerotte did not play in week 14 at Dallas in 1995</a>. <br /><br />Next.

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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">The Redskins for past years officially joined the likes of Bengals and cardinals. You know the deal high draft picks, coaching turmoil and idiotic free agent spending.<br /> </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">What are you talking about? When have the Cards and Bengals EVER had any spending sprees? <br /><br />The only think the Bengals and Cards are known for is annually posting a losing record. In the last 3 seasons, the Skins have finished 10-6, 8-8, and 8-8...none of those are losing records. Yet posting back-to-back 5-11 seasons is a different story, your team is joining the ranks of Arizona and Cincy.

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Follow up: Coaching turmoil? Yeah, I suppose we'd can our coaches if they turned in consecutive 5-11 seasons. But I guess if a coach in Dallas can last beyond 2 years... the turmoil has officially ended.<br /><br />Wasn't Norv Turner here for eight years? And when he was fired we had an interim coach for 3 games. Turner was going to be fired in the offseason regardless. Yes, Marty was fired after one season. But hardly a coaching carousel.<br /><br />The difference between Dallas and Washington is the better coaches don't want to coach in Dallas but the Redskins always get their man (Schottenheimer, Spurrier, Lewis).

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C'mon, we can just let this thread die, can we?<br /><br />Last 3 Washington head coaches (exclucing interim coach Robiskie):<br /><br />Norv Turner (former Dallas off. coor. who Cowboys reportedly wanted as their head coach); <br /><br />Marty Schottenheimer (one of the winningest head coaches of all time who was forced to cut most of the high profile players from the year before, and finished 8-8, 3 games ahead of Dallas); <br /><br />Steve Spurrier (one of the most successful Div. 1 college head coaches in the last 15 years)<br /><br />Last 3 Dallas head coaches:<br /><br />Barry Switzer<br /><br />Chan Gailey<br /><br />Dave Campo<br /><br />The most flak you can give us is for Norv, who came from your team and who has been sought after by your team, at least at times. Dallas quite simply has become Jerruh's fiefdom. Our condolences to you.

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