Get Real Redskins fans

TennesseeCarl · April 3, 2002

QCard really didn't appear to be smack-talking when he started this thread, but it's escalated pretty quickly. I was at the Jeff-George dragging game in Dallas and about the only Redskin who showed up was Irving Fryar. It was pathetic. It's difficult to defend an 0-9 run. I can't say that any of our players (with the possible exception of some special teams guys like Dan Turk) have shown anything vs. Dallas. Clearly they've had a mojo going. Hope springs eternal. I'm not one of the Redskin fans claiming we'll sweep. I did notice there were some when the schedule came out, but it's our board and we're entitled to some pre-season exaggerated hopes. I'm pleased QCard acknowledged that he was concerned about the Spurrier signing and likened it to the Johnson signing. I hope it works that way and I hope the rivalry is brought out of mothballs. Before that happens, BOTH the Skins and the Cowboys have to be playing for something of value, like the NFC East crown. We can snipe at each other all we want, but the sad truth is that Dallas is drafting #6 and we're drafting #18. It'll mean a whole lot more when we're both up in the twenties or even thirties.

redman · April 3, 2002

I gotta hand it to you Qcard, you've done a good job at getting people riled up. <img border="0" title="" alt="[smile]" src="smile.gif" /> Here's some apples for you: FACT: Quincy Carter would not have started for the Univ. Georgia Bulldogs during the 2001 season had he remained in college. He started for the Dallas Cowboys in 2001. Anyway, keep bringing in more fresh meat for Lavar at QB. He's already got Aikman's scalp hanging on his belt. <img border="0" title="" alt="[big Grin]" src="biggrin.gif" />

Kilmer17 · April 3, 2002

I would trade a 0-16 year for the following. Emmett, needing only 7 yards to break Peyton record, takes the handoff and is "Aikmanned" by Lavar after a gain of 4 yds. His monster concussion prevents him from ever playing football again, thus leaving him tantalizingly close to the all-time record.

Qcard · April 3, 2002

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by bulldog: whatever the record between the teams several things to consider: 1. The Redskins have finished ahead of Dallas in the East the past 3 seasons, despite whatever other disappointments we all feel over not hoisting a Lombardi Trophy. <img border="0" title="" alt="[smile]" src="smile.gif" /> 2. The Redskins have a better core of players on which to build as evidenced by pro bowl and all-star voting by coaches, players and fans over the past two years. The Cowboys don't have a Champ Bailey or Fred Smoot at corner. They don't have an Arrington at linebacker. They don't have tackles like Chris Samuels or an in-prime runner as the Redskins do in Davis. That is a challenge for the Dallas GM, ie Jones, to overcome. 3. The Redskins and Dallas both have question marks at quarterback, and indeed, all over that side of the ball in terms of who the final 11 starters are going to be. The difference? Spurrier is an offensive mind who has worked with a number of the Redskins players before. He will be able to patch holes more effectively than Campo, who is a defensive coach by trade and whose most recognizable player on offense, Emmitt Smith, is 33 years old. <img border="0" title="" alt="[smile]" src="smile.gif" /> <hr /></blockquote>All valid and excellent points. I totally agree the nucleus or core players for the skins have had more success statitically than Dallas's nucleus. Dallas has a solid core of players, but we lack a blue chip/stud player whom will make his teammates a lot better. Jerry Jones addressed this problem by signing Glover. Glover's presence up the middle will make Ellis, Ekuban, Dat, Coakley and our secondary alot better. Our solid players were able to lift our defense to the a 4th place finish after a horrible and inexcusable 2000 season. Include veteran CB Byrant Westbrook (if healthy) and the sky is the limit. Jerry Jones has been critised for his drafting but it appears Quincy Carter, Narkus Steele and Mario Edwards may have been steals in last years draft. Redskins fans should go easy Jerry Jones because before the Mike Ditka gave you guys all those picks th eRedskins front office draft selections was horrible and pathetic, even Jerry Jones poor drafting in 95 & 96 cannot rival the busts and dissapointments Casserly and Cooke paraded through DC from from 1988 thru. 1998. THAT IS TEN YEARS - A DECADE- OF POOR DRAFTING UNTIL THEY SELECTED CHAMP BAILEY ( ROCKET ISMAIL'S FAVORITE CB HEHEHE)

Qcard · April 3, 2002

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by CounterTre: Heismann candidate?? So freakin what??? Heath Shuler was a Heisman man...didn't mean squat in the NFL. No we're talkin about the QB that NO ONE but Jerrah was enamored with. You know they kid that was drafted at least 2 rounds too early when Jerrah could have had him in the 4th. I have visions of Lavar cleaning Emmitt's clock...AGAIN and ending another Puke career. <img border="0" alt="[laugh]" title="" src="graemlins/laugh.gif" /> Next!<hr /></blockquote>Who cares about what other people say? Jerry Jones selects players whom he thinks will benefit Dallas. he is not in this business to please the media or other teams. Charles Casserly was drinking too much Mel Kiper juice when he drafted the following 1st round picks. 1991 - Booby Wilson DT 1992 - Desmond Howard (What was he anyway WR KR??) 1993 - Tom Carter CB 1994 - Heath shuler QB 1995 - Michael Westbrook WR (Biggest Dissapointment) 1996 - Andre Johnson T 1997 - Kenard Lang DE( good pick- poorly utilised) And these are just 1st rounders picks like Tre Johson and Stephen Alexander have severly underahieved for their lofty status. So please before you questions Jerry's philosophy in the past clean out your own closet.

Qcard · April 3, 2002

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by redman: I gotta hand it to you Qcard, you've done a good job at getting people riled up. <img border="0" title="" alt="[smile]" src="smile.gif" /> Here's some apples for you: FACT: Quincy Carter would not have started for the Univ. Georgia Bulldogs during the 2001 season had he remained in college. He started for the Dallas Cowboys in 2001. Anyway, keep bringing in more fresh meat for Lavar at QB. He's already got Aikman's scalp hanging on his belt. <img border="0" title="" alt="[big Grin]" src="biggrin.gif" /> <hr /></blockquote>More Apples get your facts straight: Here is a qutoe from Quincy Carter's Coach at Georgia just after Carter declared he was going pro. I have also added the link from th eentire article, next time get a bigger gun REDMAN!! <a href="http://www.augustasports.com/stories/011001/col_124-7782.shtml" target="_blank">http://www.augustasports.com/stories/011001/col_124-7782.shtml</a> <blockquote>quote:<hr />Richt said he told Carter during their Monday meeting that he would be Georgia's starting quarterback entering spring practice, but Richt also made it clear he didn't want to have to talk Carter into staying. ``He asked if he'd be the starter,'' Richt said. ``I said, `You'll start out as the No. 1 quarterback, and I'll do everything in my power to help you succeed.' If Quincy came back and he wasn't the starter, that wouldn't have been fair to him. He would have been the starter going in. ``The big question I think in his mind was, how quickly could it all come together for him to have the kind of success he wanted to have?''<hr /></blockquote> [ April 03, 2002, 01:59 PM: Message edited by: Qcard ]

PCinOz · April 3, 2002

QCard you said..... " Glover's presence up the middle will make Ellis, Ekuban, Dat, Coakley and our secondary alot better." The one problem with Glover is that he does not play the run that well, he needs to be teamed with a DT like Hand at NO to be even serviceable as a run stopper. Glover is, however, an excellent inside pass rusher. So how you gonna stop teams with strong inside running games who will run right at Glover?

Henry · April 3, 2002

<blockquote>quote:<hr />And these are just 1st rounders picks like Tre Johson and Stephen Alexander have severly underahieved for their lofty status. So please before you questions Jerry's philosophy in the past clean out your own closet.<hr /></blockquote>I hate to tell you this kiddo, but the people who picked those draftees are no longer with the Redskins. Our closet is cleaned, so to speak. The Cowboys, fhowever, are still stuck with the same self-appointed GM who's been drafting busts for the past five years. But none of this really matters, does it? You've made it quite clear that going 5-11 and sweeping the Redskins is a great season for you. How touching. Especially considering there's no rivalry. <img border="0" title="" alt="[smile]" src="smile.gif" />

Talent Wasted at a Desk · April 3, 2002

How many times did Quincy Farter lose to Spurrier? And how badly?

Luca Brasi · April 3, 2002

Thanks Die Hard! First day on the board. I couldn't think of a better time to join than in response to this cow pukes' fan. Thanks for your help! [ April 03, 2002, 03:15 PM: Message edited by: Skins56 ]

Die Hard · April 3, 2002

We all start as newbies <img border="0" title="" alt="[smile]" src="smile.gif" /> Hey Skins56 welcome. Just a heads up... when you REPLY WITH QUOTE... it automatically inserts the entire text of the post in the text area (ie. the big white box where you would type your message). You can type your message underneath the quoted message after the </quote> tag. Hit the "Edit This Post" button above your post. Try again <img border="0" title="" alt="[big Grin]" src="biggrin.gif" /> [ April 03, 2002, 02:54 PM: Message edited by: Die Hard ]

Qcard · April 3, 2002

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Henry: I hate to tell you this kiddo, but the people who picked those draftees are no longer with the Redskins. Our closet is cleaned, so to speak. The Cowboys, fhowever, are still stuck with the same self-appointed GM who's been drafting busts for the past five years.<hr /></blockquote>Congratulations on taking the step forward and cleaning out the closet(ps isn't Danny the same guy who overpaid for Deion, Mark Carrier, Bruce Smith - doo I have to go on). I have no excuses or rebutal to Jerry Jones drafting the past 5 years, especially 95,96 &97. The jury is still out 0n the 98,99,00 &01 draftees. This their year to shine or fail. Neither one of us can project their future. I am an objective fan who realizes that Jerry has drafted poorly and I accept that fact, but I would rather have an owner like Jerry who would do whatever it takes to win, takes his critism like a man and promises to improve without destroying the teams future. Jerry built a juggernaut in the 90's(yeah I know JImmy played a part but what happened at Miami). Jerry was the first to evalute talent when he hired Jimmy Johnson when hiring a college coach with no Pro experience was met with laughter and critism. I wonder where everybody got that idea from. Every other team was hiring retread Headcoaches and assistants. <blockquote>quote:<hr />But none of this really matters, does it? You've made it quite clear that going 5-11 and sweeping the Redskins is a great season for you. How touching. Especially considering there's no rivalry. <img border="0" title="" alt="[smile]" src="smile.gif" /> [/QB]<hr /></blockquote>Where have I made it clear I am happy with a 5-11 season? All I did was question the skins fans who believe they will sweep Dallas this season. Your assumption is really making a you know what out of youself.

All In · April 3, 2002

You have no room talk when it comes to the draft. What was that crap when Jerry drafted 4+ DBs I think two years ago? Throwing darts at a board I guess. Good luck with Jerry running the show. At least The Dan accepts and learns from his mistakes. Go away cowgirl... The streak ends come T-day.

Qcard · April 3, 2002

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by PCinOz: QCard you said..... " Glover's presence up the middle will make Ellis, Ekuban, Dat, Coakley and our secondary alot better." The one problem with Glover is that he does not play the run that well, he needs to be teamed with a DT like Hand at NO to be even serviceable as a run stopper. Glover is, however, an excellent inside pass rusher. So how you gonna stop teams with strong inside running games who will run right at Glover?<hr /></blockquote>Very good insight, but let me introduce you to: Brandon Noble (300 plus DT and Starter last year) John Nix (300 plus DT *stripped Stephen Davis of the ball,causing a fumble last year you know the rest of the story) Willie Blade (3rd pick 2000 IR entire season) Daleroy Stewart(5th round 2000 IR entire season) Not to mention Dallas may draft a stud DT at the 6th spot if Jammer is gone. Willie Blade(broken wrist) and Daleroy Stewart(rotator cup) were considered late first round picks before they got injured in college. Dallas will have an solid rotation and keep bodies fresh this season. I know you are saying known of these guys are Norman Hand, but where was Hand before he was paired with Glover 0 proBowls. They made each other better.

Qcard · April 3, 2002

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Skins_Freak: You have no room talk when it comes to the draft. What was that crap when Jerry drafted 4+ DBs I think two years ago? Throwing darts at a board I guess. Good luck with Jerry running the show. At least The Dan accepts and learns from his mistakes. Go away cowgirl... The streak ends come T-day.<hr /></blockquote>Inexcusable yes, but Mario Edwards 6th round pick is a starter and shut Michael Westbrook down last season. Dwayne Goodrich spent the entire season on the IR with a ruptured achilles and Kareem Larrimore the most talented was a head case and was cut.

inmate running the asylum · April 3, 2002

Qcard the Cowpukes may have won 9 straight regular season games against the Skins, but they were meaningless games for both teams during this period, as neither team was going anywhere. The only time the Skins have ever played the Cowpukes in the playoffs (two championship games with the Super Bowl on the line), we trounced the Cowpukes both times ...34-17 and 26-7. Remember? <img border="0" title="" alt="[big Grin]" src="biggrin.gif" /> In all honesty though, Jerry Jones seems to be a humorous, likeable guy. I actually like the guy, even though he owns the Cowpukes. I think Danny Boy likes him too, judging by the frequent visits he makes to Dallas to pick his brain. That joke that Jerry Jones told at the ESPN draft two years ago about the two buzzards was a riot. [ April 03, 2002, 03:48 PM: Message edited by: inmate running the asylum ]

Skins24 · April 3, 2002

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Charles Casserly was drinking too much Mel Kiper juice when he drafted the following 1st round picks. 1991 - Booby Wilson DT 1992 - Desmond Howard (What was he anyway WR KR??) 1993 - Tom Carter CB 1994 - Heath shuler QB 1995 - Michael Westbrook WR (Biggest Dissapointment) 1996 - Andre Johnson T 1997 - Kenard Lang DE( good pick- poorly utilised) And these are just 1st rounders picks like Tre Johson and Stephen Alexander have severly underahieved for their lofty status. So please before you questions Jerry's philosophy in the past clean out your own closet.<hr /></blockquote>So becuase these people were disappointments or poorly utilised, it's Casserly's fault and not the coach's? That's new. Because Tre and Stephen got injured, they are underacheivers now? Didn't they just make the pro bowl the years before they got injured?

Henry · April 3, 2002

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Congratulations on taking the step forward and cleaning out the closet(ps isn't Danny the same guy who overpaid for Deion, Mark Carrier, Bruce Smith - doo I have to go on).<hr /></blockquote>Ooookay, we were talking about the DRAFT, weren't we? I really don't think you want to get into Jerry and his love for overpriced veterans because I'm pretty sure Snyder didn't give up two first rounders for all three of those guys, or a $12 million signing bonus to any of them. If we are talking about the DRAFT, then Snyder in his three years as owner has overseen the first and second round draft of Bailey, Jansen, Arrington, Samuels, Gardner and Smoot. Solid starters all, pro-bowlers some. Not a bust in the lot. <blockquote>quote:<hr />I am an objective fan who realizes that Jerry has drafted poorly and I accept that fact, but I would rather have an owner like Jerry who would do whatever it takes to win, takes his critism like a man and promises to improve without destroying the teams future.<hr /></blockquote>Uh, your team just went 5-11 two seasons in a row. That IS the future of Jerry's 96-99 Cowboys, who alienated head coaches, drafted horribly, signed mediocre free agents to huge contracts and re-worked the existing contracts of their over-the-hill talent. That's what you would rather have than Dan Snyder. Whatever floats your boat. <blockquote>quote:<hr />Jerry built a juggernaut in the 90's(yeah I know JImmy played a part but what happened at Miami). Jerry was the first to evalute talent when he hired Jimmy Johnson when hiring a college coach with no Pro experience was met with laughter and critism. I wonder where everybody got that idea from. Every other team was hiring retread Headcoaches and assistants.<hr /></blockquote>Jerry and Jimmy together built that team, and apart can't replicate it. Especially with a salary cap and no Herschel Walker. Ancient history and irrelevant to this discussion. <blockquote>quote:<hr />Where have I made it clear I am happy with a 5-11 season? All I did was question the skins fans who believe they will sweep Dallas this season. Your assumption is really making a you know what out of youself.<hr /></blockquote>Oh sorry. What the heck are you doing talking smack then? Your team stinks. Over the past three seasons it has gone 18-31. Although unable to improve upon a 5-11 season, you are talking about the bright future and genius owner. I foolishly assumed you were over here solely due to the fact that the Cowboys have swept the Redskins over the past four years. I guess I gave you too much credit. You think your team is actually good. Yikes. Besides, the majority of Redskin fans on this board are not predicting a sweep of the Cowboys. Heck, just look at the responses you've been getting. If you came over here and started this smack-fest simply because one or two homers called for a sweep, then perhaps you are being a bit too sensitive.

chiefhogskin48 · April 3, 2002

How about you face reality. Quincy is terrible and so is your team. Even Detroit had success against you. Your team has won 6 games in the last two years against teams not named the Redskins. If that doesnt change, I wont sweat it too much. So long as the 'Boys bathe in their pit of despair I am happy. And of course we'll have a better record.... AGAIN!! Talk about winning the battle and losing the war...

Qcard · April 3, 2002

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by inmate running the asylum: Qcard the Cowpukes may have won 9 straight regular season games against the Skins, but they were meaningless games for both teams during this period, as neither team was going anywhere. The only time the Skins have ever played the Cowpukes in the playoffs (two championship games with the Super Bowl on the line), we trounced the Cowpukes both times ...34-17 and 26-7. Remember? <img border="0" title="" alt="[big Grin]" src="biggrin.gif" /> <hr /></blockquote>Great now put your 2-1/2 superbowl trophies up against our 5 superbowl Trophies, 8 NFC Conference Titles, 17 Division Titles and our All time 49-33 record against your team and then you'll realize why we are called "America's Team"

shamaran · April 3, 2002

Wow! Things must be REALLY slow for this Dallass fan! The last time I looked, it just turned -- APRIL! What's all the hoopla 'bout? Check back after a game is actually played (or about to be played) and then start tooting your arse off. At least it will make a little more sense then -- VERY LITTLE. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Roll Eyes]" src="rolleyes.gif" />

Die Hard · April 3, 2002

What did being "America's team" get you the past 2 years? How does a team with all those accolades post 5-11 records in consecutive years?

inmate running the asylum · April 3, 2002

You WERE America's team! I understand you guys are not on MONDAY NIGHT FOOTBALL this year! <img border="0" title="" alt="[big Grin]" src="biggrin.gif" /> <img border="0" title="" alt="[big Grin]" src="biggrin.gif" /> Funny how Qcard was bragging about head-to-head matchups and the Cowpukes 9 straight victories, and then when I pointed out we were 2-0 in championship games against them..... he switches subjects and starts talking about them as America's team. <img border="0" alt="[laugh]" title="" src="graemlins/laugh.gif" /> [ April 03, 2002, 04:00 PM: Message edited by: inmate running the asylum ]

redman · April 3, 2002

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Qcard: More Apples get your facts straight:[/b] Here is a qutoe from Quincy Carter's Coach at Georgia just after Carter declared he was going pro. I have also added the link from th eentire article, next time get a bigger gun REDMAN!! <a href="http://www.augustasports.com/stories/011001/col_124-7782.shtml" target="_blank">http://www.augustasports.com/stories/011001/col_124-7782.shtml</a> <blockquote>quote:<hr />Richt said he told Carter during their Monday meeting that he would be Georgia's starting quarterback entering spring practice, but Richt also made it clear he didn't want to have to talk Carter into staying. ``He asked if he'd be the starter,'' Richt said. ``I said, `You'll start out as the No. 1 quarterback, and I'll do everything in my power to help you succeed.' If Quincy came back and he wasn't the starter, that wouldn't have been fair to him. He would have been the starter going in. ``The big question I think in his mind was, how quickly could it all come together for him to have the kind of success he wanted to have?''<hr /></blockquote><hr /></blockquote>I'm sure that Richt said that to his underdeveloped QB who was declaring eligibility for the NFL draft. That wasn't my point. The point is that every knowledgeable fan at UGA knew that ole Quincy would be beaten out at QB, no matter where he was on the totem pole come spring practice. And as for declaring Quincy a "steal", I'd remind you that even if he turns out all right, the Cowboys could have drafted him 1-2 rounds later than they did - after having traded up for him. <img border="0" alt="[laugh]" title="" src="graemlins/laugh.gif" /> <img border="0" title="" alt="[Razz]" src="tongue.gif" /> :

Uptown Skins · April 3, 2002

News must be slow. 47 responses to a thread started by a crappy-azz Cryboy fan. He's probably someone that gets a rise out people responded to his crap. [ April 03, 2002, 04:04 PM: Message edited by: FunBunch2FunNGun ]

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