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Qcard · April 3, 2002

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by redman: <blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Qcard: Well, I am man enough to say that in the past 5 years your draft classes have been light years ahead Dallas. Congratulations!! But isn't it sad to know with all that talent and excellent drafting those guys are 0-9 against Dallas. They are blue chip players whom have no bragging rights or victories over a rebuilding team.<hr /></blockquote>Rebuilding team, huh? I suppose that that was the reason why you guys traded away two #1's for Galloway a couple of years ago, right? The fact is that Jerruh has been deluded up until that popping sound in Galloway's knee in week 1 in 2000 that he could make one last Super Bowl run with Aikman and Smith. Don't you even know your own team? Oh, and if you were rebuilding during that time, we see that five years later you're still . . . rebuilding? Again, nice try, Chief. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Razz]" src="tongue.gif" /> <hr /></blockquote>YES, Jerry's plan failed and we move on. The rebulding phase started last season if you do not realize that then debating with you is futile.

Tommy-the-Greek · April 3, 2002

The skins have wallowed in agony as a 8-8 team inspite of themselves for the past 4 years. Your cowboys have been a joke and everyone knows it. Go back and check the vegas lines on your boys chances every year the past 5. Then check the odds on the skins. Four months from today, check the odds for the new season. The chance of the boys winning anything will be 2x the odds as the skins. What does this tell you?? That the people in the know, know the skins have alot more talent and a better coaching staff. I will be the first to admit the cowboys will be a better team, but that doesn't say to much. Skin fans have a better chance of seeing our team in a superbowl in the next 3 years then the cowboy fans do. And you can say whatever you want. You can sing the song of the truly stupid, like a nightingale in the meadow. It won't change the facts. We have a bright future instore for us "In The Spurrier Years".

redman · April 3, 2002

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Qcard: YES, Jerry's plan failed and we move on. The rebulding phase started last season if you do not realize that then debating with you is futile.<hr /></blockquote>Jerry's plan failed so . . . you're going with Jerry's plan. The truth is that every plan of Jerry's has failed. The only plans that have worked since he purchased the team were Jimmy Johnson's. Take a look at the team's first and second round draft picks in the Jones era: 1988 Michael Irvin WR; Ken Norton, Jr. LB 1989 Troy Aikman QB ; Steve Wisniewski G; Darlyl Johnston RB 1990 Emmitt Smith RB; Alexander Wright WR 1991 Russell Maryland DT; Alvin Harper WR; Kelvin Pritchett DT; Dixon Edwards LB 1992 Kevin Smith DB; Robert Jones LB; Jimmy Smith WR; Darren Woodson DB 1993 Kevin Williams WR; Darrin Smith LB [Jimmy Johnson leaves] 1994 Shante Carver DE; Larry Allen G 1995 Sherman Williams RB; Kendell Watkins TE; Shane Hannah G 1996 Kavika Pittman DE; Randall Godfrey LB 1997 David LaFleur TE 1998 Greg Ellis DE; Flozell Adams T 1999 Ebenezer Ekuban DE; Solomon Page T 2000 Dwayne Goodrich DB 2001 Quincy Carter QB; Tony Dixon DB See a pattern?

indyskinsfan · April 3, 2002

Well Henry I agree on that. I just realiized "how long" ago that was. It is more than 5-6 years ago. Still we have to end the streak decisively and extablish our own, before I will give a lot a credence to any such thing known as a "rivalry".. ok, for this particular team, it still, no need to fake it.. I just don't like them. This is sports I am talking about, so it has nothing to do with whether I care about humans or not. If you think you need to get deep here, then go watch Hardball on CNBC. So I hate that team, ok. ok, ok? However, one must still give credit where it is due and they have laid the smack down 9 straight times. Now hear this.... It's our turn!

Carlito Sway · April 4, 2002

I always assume divisional splits, except the Giants and Cards . . . People can hate on the NFC East all they want, but few realize that its very competitiveness that ruins our records. But I am hoping SS will focus on Dallas the way nobody since Gibbs has years ago . . . And if you, my friend, are crowing about Campo, I have but one thing to say . . . Toupee.

Dale · April 4, 2002

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by redman: I gotta hand it to you Qcard, you've done a good job at getting people riled up. <img border="0" title="" alt="[smile]" src="smile.gif" /> Here's some apples for you: FACT: Quincy Carter would not have started for the Univ. Georgia Bulldogs during the 2001 season had he remained in college. He started for the Dallas Cowboys in 2001. Anyway, keep bringing in more fresh meat for Lavar at QB. He's already got Aikman's scalp hanging on his belt. <img border="0" title="" alt="[big Grin]" src="biggrin.gif" /> <hr /></blockquote>Actually, that's false speculation redman. The Georgia head coach was on the radio during the college football season last year and was asked about Quincy. He stated the rumors that Quincy, if he returned, would not have started were ludicrous. He said he would have been crazy not to have started Quincy if he had him on the team...

Dale · April 4, 2002

I agree with the sentiment that Spurrier could bring the end to our streak of wins over you all. He's an intense guy and I'm sure will focus on beating his hated rivals like he did in his days at Florida. And I certainly realize that just because we have beaten you the past 9 times really had little relevance on this season. For the past three years, I've predicted a split with the Skins. I'll likely predict the same this season. Honestly, I thought Schottenheimer was going to find a way to end our streak. He had an impressive record against his rivals while at Kansas City and I thought he would provide the discipline needed to finally get over the hump against us. Obviously, I was wrong <img border="0" title="" alt="[smile]" src="smile.gif" /> So while I do think it's highly possible Spurrier figures out the ingredients to defeat us at least once ... being a Cowboys fan, excuse me for saying, but it does get old hearing "This coach will change things...". Norv, Robiskie, Schotty, and now Spurrier. I think the biggest factor in whether you all can beat us or not is if you acquire an upgrade at QB. Sorry, but I can't see Weurffel being the guy that snaps the winning streak based on what I've seen of the guy in the past. But, the way our rivalry is (odd), he'll be the one to finally give you all the victory LOL.

indyskinsfan · April 4, 2002

Yeah Dale that is strange aint' it??? One year, Carter's on the winning end, Cunningham, then Wright another. Man you guys have got too many Hogebooms for me! <img border="0" alt="[laugh]" title="" src="graemlins/laugh.gif" /> [ April 04, 2002, 02:09 AM: Message edited by: indyskinsfan ]

Romo · April 4, 2002

Redmen i like your draft breakdown. Just a side note the guy who was Jimmy's right hand man on draft day was Butch Davis. He had his hand all over Jimmy's draft success. I wouldnt be surprised of the Browns become a dominant team if Davis can continus his drafting success.

Brave · April 4, 2002

"... and what do you guys have to show for the excellent drafting 3 coaching changes, 1 division Title, 1 wild card playoff victory." - QCard In the spirit of getting things right, that playoff victory over Detroit was not a Wild Card game. It was a divsional playoff game with the winner advancing to the NFC Championship Game vs. St. Louis the next week. Admittedly not real important at this point, but let's keep things accurate.

Glenn X · April 4, 2002

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Who cares about what other people say?<hr /></blockquote>Couldn't have said it any better myself, Q-bert. And since this is a Redskin fan message board, you clearly qualify as "other people." To borrow a page from smoot21's book: Get lost, Q.

Blade · April 4, 2002

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Brave: In the spirit of getting things right, that playoff victory over Detroit was not a Wild Card game. It was a divsional playoff game with the winner advancing to the NFC Championship Game vs. St. Louis the next week.<hr /></blockquote>Brave, you must've still been asleep dude... the Skins were the 3rd-ranked div. winners that year(99/00) and played the lowest ranked wild card team (the Lions) in a wildcard game at FedEx. We then lost to Tampa in the Divisional playoff (Turk), who then lost to the Rams in the NFC Championship. [ April 04, 2002, 09:37 AM: Message edited by: Blade ]

Kilmer17 · April 4, 2002

Not True Dale. I have PERSONALLY been at a reception where Richt, on the record, stated that David Green was going to be his starter whether Quincy stayed or not. He also added DJ Shockley to back him up (even as a freshman). I know it's hard for Cowboy fans to accept, but trust me, his demise was even harder for us Georgia fans to stomach.

Qcard · April 4, 2002

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by redman: <blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Qcard: YES, Jerry's plan failed and we move on. The rebulding phase started last season if you do not realize that then debating with you is futile.<hr /></blockquote>Jerry's plan failed so . . . you're going with Jerry's plan. The truth is that every plan of Jerry's has failed. The only plans that have worked since he purchased the team were Jimmy Johnson's. Take a look at the team's first and second round draft picks in the Jones era: 1988 Michael Irvin WR; Ken Norton, Jr. LB 1989 Troy Aikman QB ; Steve Wisniewski G; Darlyl Johnston RB 1990 Emmitt Smith RB; Alexander Wright WR 1991 Russell Maryland DT; Alvin Harper WR; Kelvin Pritchett DT; Dixon Edwards LB 1992 Kevin Smith DB; Robert Jones LB; Jimmy Smith WR; Darren Woodson DB 1993 Kevin Williams WR; Darrin Smith LB [Jimmy Johnson leaves] 1994 Shante Carver DE; Larry Allen G 1995 Sherman Williams RB; Kendell Watkins TE; Shane Hannah G 1996 Kavika Pittman DE; Randall Godfrey LB 1997 David LaFleur TE 1998 Greg Ellis DE; Flozell Adams T 1999 Ebenezer Ekuban DE; Solomon Page T 2000 Dwayne Goodrich DB 2001 Quincy Carter QB; Tony Dixon DB See a pattern?<hr /></blockquote>Good job Redman, now what do you guys have to show for your excellent drafting. There is a reason why you get to draft that high. It is because your team had poor seasons previously. Once again what do you have to show for your excellent drafting: 3 coaching changes (3 year span), 1 wildcard playoff victory, 1 division Title and a 0-9 record against your lifetime arch rival. That in my opinion is pathetic. I do not condone Jerry's poor drafting but isn't it worse to have all the talent in the world and still be underachieving. The Redskins for past years officially joined the likes of Bengals and cardinals. You know the deal high draft picks, coaching turmoil and idiotic free agent spending. SS will bring respectability even in with a losing season.

Skins24 · April 4, 2002

<blockquote>quote:<hr />nce again what do you have to show for your excellent drafting: 3 coaching changes (3 year span), 1 wildcard playoff victory, 1 division Title and a 0-9 record against your lifetime arch rival. That in my opinion is pathetic. The Redskins for past years officially joined the likes of Bengals and cardinals. You know the deal high draft picks, coaching turmoil and idiotic free agent spending.<hr /></blockquote>Please, please say it ain't so.... They have to be smarter than this! They are human afterall... Let's take that same 3 year span. What do you have to show for it. 0 playoff victories 0 division titles and only 12 victories other than the against skins. Officially joined the ranks of Bengals and Cards!? This is a joke right?? This crap coming out of the mouth of a team that has been 5-11 in the past 2 years saying that WE have joined the ranks of the Bengals and Cards??????? Weren't those high draft picks from a trade and not because our record was bad, if I remember our team was 10-6 the year before we got those high picks.

Die Hard · April 4, 2002

rskin24 - And don't forget... in those same 3 years... the Cowboys only started rebuilding last year according to QCard <img border="0" title="" alt="[smile]" src="smile.gif" />

Die Hard · April 4, 2002

QCard is turning out to be quite the maroon. Those years while the Skins we churning out those high picks... the Skins ACQUIRED those picks!!! The #5 overall pick in 1999 - which we traded down to #7 to select Champ Bailey - was courtesy of Carolina for Sean Gilbert. The Skins held the #12 pick that year and traded it away to the Vikes for Brad Johnson; the Vikes selected Daunte Culpepper. The #2 pick overall in the 2000 draft - which was used to select LaVar Arrington - was also courtesy of the Saints. And the #3 overall pick - used on Chris Samuels - was via a trade for the right to the #12 pick overall (via Carolina) and the Skins #24 pick overall. Unlike the Cowboys... who have earned those TOP TEN picks the past few years... and yet traded half of them away. [ April 04, 2002, 10:56 AM: Message edited by: Die Hard ]

Skins24 · April 4, 2002

They'll never understand. Their world(in which they are perfect while we are the ones who make the mistakes) and reality are two different things.... I guess the players aren't the only ones....uh..... <img border="0" alt="[joint]" title="" src="graemlins/joint.gif" />

Die Hard · April 4, 2002

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by QCard: I do not condone Jerry's poor drafting but isn't it worse to have all the talent in the world and still be underachieving.<hr /></blockquote>You see how it works? At first your surprised that Skins fans have the gall to suggest the Skins can sweep the Cowboys in a season and in the same breathe you acknowledge the Skins have "all the talent in the world". So is it really unreasonable expect such a talented team to beat a less talented team? Especially if you're so convinced that Spurrier won't let the Skins underachieve? Really now... what's your point? [ April 04, 2002, 10:57 AM: Message edited by: Die Hard ]

Art · April 4, 2002

I have been trying to avoid this thread. I'll give it another few minutes, but Q, when you entered this thread, I took it on faith you might not be quite as foolhardy as you are ending this thread appearing. Ask around, what you do not want is for me to start teaching you what it really is to debate and talk trash with the best of them. You are being well handled now, but, if you keep up the incredible stupidity, I might just carve out an afternoon to treat you rather less kindly. <img border="0" title="" alt="[smile]" src="smile.gif" /> .

Die Hard · April 4, 2002

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Qcard: YES, Jerry's plan failed and we move on. The rebulding phase started last season if you do not realize that then debating with you is futile.<hr /></blockquote>The first step of correcting any problem is admitting there is a problem. I haven't heard Jerry Jones making any apologies for drafting Quincy Carter last year or any other picks for that matter. Nor has he hired a competent GM or other staffers. What exactly leads you to believe you've 'moved on'? [ April 04, 2002, 11:29 AM: Message edited by: Die Hard ]

Brave · April 4, 2002

"Brave, you must've still been asleep dude... " - Blade Oh sh!t! You're absolutely right! Yes, I was still asleep AND still feeling the effects of those big and pricey beers at the Canes game last night. My apologies, Q. Thanks Blade.

Skins24 · April 4, 2002

What exactly was the plan that failed? Last year Jerry guarenteed a 10-6 season. Does moving on mean that he has finally come to realize his team will *shocker* Not be as good as he thought?

redman · April 4, 2002

Actually, the 10-6 prediction must have meant that they were not rebuilding last year, right? <img border="0" alt="[dunce]" title="" src="graemlins/dunce.gif" />

RF4L · April 4, 2002

I disagree, Dale, that it will be better quarterbacking that allows the Skins to finally break the streak. That is definitely a factor with the like of Banks, but the streak will end when our up-front D smacks Larry Allen and his buddies in the mouth and makes Emmitt look and play like the thirty-something he is. [ April 04, 2002, 12:13 PM: Message edited by: RF4L ]

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