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5 minutes ago, Renegade7 said:

 

I feel like you jus ignored my points out of pessimism.  That's fine, I'm not here to change anyone's mind.  When I see majority of the country wants him impeached and removed from office and growing, I'll stay optimistic.

I ain’t want this thread to focus solely on America, but removing Trump doesn’t reverse what’s happened here for over 40 years.

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5 minutes ago, BenningRoadSkin said:

Americans are comfortable and docile. We have some how become proud of that.

 

Actually recall two comments made about the social unrest of the 60s, by a social studies instructor in high school.  

 

For one thing, he asserted that the reason the violence of the 60s ended was the explosion of welfare.  His assertion was that welfare gave America an underclass that was peaceful, because people have to be starving, or near to it, before they will revolt.  And as long as everybody in the country had a barely-survivable standard of iving, they wouldn't risk losing what they had.  

 

And the other point he made was that freedom of speech makes for a more peaceful society.  His example was, go up to someone and try to prevent them from speaking.  They will become violent very quickly.  However, let them set up a soapbox in the public square and rant to a bunch of people who will ignore him, and almost all of them will be content with that.  

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15 minutes ago, BenningRoadSkin said:


that’s fair, but the New Deal transpired after the collapse of western economics. On top of that, there was a wave of socialism around the world that was bubbling in America.

 

Ya, I think we got half that now with our generation being this open to someone like Bernie. With a recession right around the corner, can make the arguement history is in the process of semi repeating itself.  I hope we dont need a recession to get the reforms people lie Warren are proposing.  We got lucky. A lot of times when countries get desperate economically they become authoritarian.

5 minutes ago, BenningRoadSkin said:

I ain’t want this thread to focus solely on America, but removing Trump doesn’t reverse what’s happened here for over 40 years.

 

Ya, I'm actually glad you started this thread because democracy is in full retreat on a global scale.  Its over if it falls here, too, not that saving it here will save it in general.

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7 minutes ago, Renegade7 said:

A legit pandemic would outrun our ability to vax it.  Whatever blows past us, I doubt it will be something we already have vax for.  Not rooting for it, but plague ended the dark ages and ushered in the renaissance.

 

That's EXACTLY what I'm getting at. We've reached a point where a large portion of society simply refuses to evolve to the next stage of human evolution/enlightenment. 

 

Only nature has the power of telling us how badly we've ****ed up. And if all is not lost, I think the true potential of humanity can finally be realized.

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10 minutes ago, Mr. Sinister said:

 

That's EXACTLY what I'm getting at. We've reached a point where a large portion of society simply refuses to evolve to the next stage of human evolution/enlightenment. 

 

Only nature has the power of telling us how badly we've ****ed up. And if all is not lost, I think the true potential of humanity can finally be realized.

 

I agree it might work, but society is far more complex then when dark ages ended.  When i think about nature correcting us, i realize that could kill me and everyone i care about. 

 

In that context, i cant root for it, not saying you are.  Plague wiped out half of Europe and lead to land ownership becoming more common, but that was a society dominated by agriculture.  

 

Our society is far more sensitive to total collapse because we too far removed from needing very little for it to function. 

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29 minutes ago, Larry said:

 

Actually recall two comments made about the social unrest of the 60s, by a social studies instructor in high school.  

 

For one thing, he asserted that the reason the violence of the 60s ended was the explosion of welfare.  His assertion was that welfare gave America an underclass that was peaceful, because people have to be starving, or near to it, before they will revolt.  And as long as everybody in the country had a barely-survivable standard of iving, they wouldn't risk losing what they had.  

 

And the other point he made was that freedom of speech makes for a more peaceful society.  His example was, go up to someone and try to prevent them from speaking.  They will become violent very quickly.  However, let them set up a soapbox in the public square and rant to a bunch of people who will ignore him, and almost all of them will be content with that.  

Freedom of speech was the first amendment in the bill of rights and it did not stop Americans from committing political violence and terrorism.

 

The same is true of welfare, which has gotten slashed the last 40 years too.

 

I am not a political theorist or philosopher, but imo we are a comfortable and docile nation. Everyone can afford an iphone, access the internet, and check out from their daily existence. 

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2 minutes ago, BenningRoadSkin said:

 

The same is true of welfare, which has gotten slashed the last 40 years too.

 

 

Has it?  that's not the impression I get.  

 

Granted, I'm not sure where I'd go to find authoritative figures for it.  Among other things, it's so hard to define what is and isn't "welfare".  Does SS retirement count?  How about SS disability?  Federal or military retirement?  Medicaid?  Medicare?

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14 minutes ago, Larry said:

Has it?  that's not the impression I get.  

I was thinking of actual welfare, which Clinton gave back to states after Reagan started a war against it. You are right, my B.

 

Social programs are actually high, although that money is being concentrated to help Trump voters.

The Guardian: Six killed as Iraq protests continue in Baghdad and Nasiriyah

 

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At least six more Iraqi protesters were killed on Saturday in clashes with security forces in Baghdad and the southern town of Nasiriyah, as thousands took part in nationwide anti-government protests, officials said.

 

Protesters were trying to reach Baghdad’s heavily fortified Green Zone, home to embassies and government offices.

 

Security forces fired teargas as protesters tried to remove blast walls from a main bridge leading to the government district. Three people were killed when they were struck by teargas canisters, security and medical officials said.

 

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8 hours ago, Renegade7 said:

  When I see majority of the country wants him impeached and removed from office and growing, I'll stay optimistic.

It's a slim majority if that.  And remember that an almost as large portion think he walks on water.  The gene pool needs some chlorine.

 

Glad some of you are optimistic. I'm not.  It's why I made the thread a while ago about how society will play out.  I'm not seeing things in the world that make me optimistic. 

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33 minutes ago, TheGreatBuzz said:

It's a slim majority if that.  And remember that an almost as large portion think he walks on water.  The gene pool needs some chlorine.

 

Glad some of you are optimistic. I'm not.  It's why I made the thread a while ago about how society will play out.  I'm not seeing things in the world that make me optimistic. 

 

That number is growing, give it time, we have a full year until the election, a lot can happen in a year in court of public opinion, let alone a Senate trial.

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2 minutes ago, Renegade7 said:

 

That number is growing, give it time, we have a full year until the election, a lot can happen in a year in court of public opinion, let alone a Senate trial.

Denial isn't just a river in Egypt.

 

~40% of our country is all in supporting an openly racist, sexist, everything else-ist guy.  Not to mention the ones that are mad because he hasn't gone far enough.

 

And once the election happens, no matter who wins, one side is going to be VERY angry.

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1 minute ago, TheGreatBuzz said:

Denial isn't just a river in Egypt.

 

~40% of our country is all in supporting an openly racist, sexist, everything else-ist guy.  Not to mention the ones that are mad because he hasn't gone far enough.

 

And once the election happens, no matter who wins, one side is going to be VERY angry.

 

What am I denying?  That the number of people that want him impeached and removed from office is now growing larger then the number that voted against him in the election? 

 

I dont take one side being VERY angry seriously, I'm not convinced this country will fly apart over him losing, seeing a couple civil war posts on Twitter doesnt phase me.  Remember I went to a rally, I didnt feel surrounded by "my guy or civil war" folk at all.  

 

We're talking about expecting half the country predicated on freedom taking up arms to protect someone trying to implement authoritarianism, that doesnt seem logical at all, let alone plausible, more talk then anything else.

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1 minute ago, Renegade7 said:

What am I denying? 

More referring to your optimism over all.

 

2 minutes ago, Renegade7 said:

I dont take one side being VERY angry seriously, I'm not convinced this country will fly apart over him losing, seeing a couple civil war posts on Twitter doesnt phase meRemember I went to a rally, I didnt feel surrounded by "my guy or civil war" folk at all.  

I'm not forecasting a blue vs gray sort of thing.  More just massive violent protest met by violent anti protestors.  

 

5 minutes ago, Renegade7 said:

that doesnt seem logical at all

Found your mistake.

 

Can't count on logic with Trump supporters. 

 

There was a time where plenty of Germans thought Hitler was great.  (Yes, I know they were just coming off losing WW1 and other factors, just a point not a direct comparison)

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2 minutes ago, TheGreatBuzz said:

More referring to your optimism over all.

 

Well, if you dont believe it, it wont happen, that's my experience.  My optimism isnt blind though.

 

2 minutes ago, TheGreatBuzz said:

I'm not forecasting a blue vs gray sort of thing.  More just massive violent protest met by violent anti protestors.  

 

Which even if it happens will die off eventually, not keep this guy in office or fling us into total collapse.

 

2 minutes ago, TheGreatBuzz said:

Found your mistake.

 

Can't count on logic with Trump supporters. 

 

There was a time where plenty of Germans thought Hitler was great.  (Yes, I know they were just coming off losing WW1 and other factors, just a point not a direct comparison)

 

Nazism was a direct response to needing a million mark to buy a single piece of bread.  This is not like that at all.

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7 minutes ago, Renegade7 said:

Well, if you dont believe it, it wont happen, that's my experience.  My optimism isnt blind though.

Neither of us know what will happen.  We're just guessing.  I'll be ecstatic though to have you bump this in 5 years and show what an idiot I was.

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1 minute ago, TheGreatBuzz said:

Neither of us know what will happen.  We're just guessing.  I'll be ecstatic though to have you bump this in 5 years and show what an idiot I was.

Aye, I as well.

 

Lets put it this way, we can't say the country is too docile to look up from their smartphones while the country plunges into authoritarianism at the same time being so angry that if Trump loses the election or Senate votes to remove him that there could be a Civil War.  A lot of things make sense to me, that just doesn't, its completely contradicatory, so I'm going to finish this baseball and basketball game and try to finish some homework : )

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Just now, TheGreatBuzz said:

Dude, its already over.

 

****, if I turned off every Redskins game when I knew they were over, I wouldn't even turn them on.

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I admit I tend to lean pessimism. The game is so rigged right now. Senate, DoJ, Supreme Court. Trump's a missile with 3 warheads and he's under Putin's thumb. Chaos, lies, and cover-ups run rampant in the WH and Senate. The last election was shady, there's already proof the president is working to shade the next one. He's following the Russian agenda dutifully and right in our faces. He'll invoke whatever he has to in order to stay office whether it be 2020 or 2024. 

 

He is as advertised. Anyone under him who sells out for him goes down. He'll cut bait and stay afloat while they sink. 

 

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9 hours ago, TheGreatBuzz said:

Denial isn't just a river in Egypt.

 

~40% of our country is all in supporting an openly racist, sexist, everything else-ist guy.  Not to mention the ones that are mad because he hasn't gone far enough.

 

And once the election happens, no matter who wins, one side is going to be VERY angry.

 

And every single person on capitol hill with an R after his name is actively engaged in an organized attempt to make sure that a POTUS who every one of them knows is guilty of multiple felonies, goes unpunished for it.  

 

And 80% of them will be reelected.  By voters who, in large numbers, also know that a coverup is in progress, and approve of it.  

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