Renegade7 Posted May 4, 2019 Share Posted May 4, 2019 5 hours ago, BenningRoadSkin said: She literally put out a proposal stating how she will pay for it. That's not going to fix the problem, jus a symptom. Does it involve lowering tuition prices or lending practices so we dont have to do it again down the road? And no I dont support free tuition, it's not anymore free them free healthcare. https://www.cnn.com/2019/05/03/politics/elizabeth-warren-calculator-student-debt-forgiveness/index.html Were talking about $680 billion, that's close to the entire military budget, and still wouldnt cover everything (says max $50k, which in my case is only half my student loan debt). I'd rather better programs for paying it back and using that unreal amount of money elsewhere, it doesnt address why they fell behind to begin with. Saying certain 2-4 year colleges will be free going forward sounds good, but they dont agree on how to pay for it, because someone will have to pay for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bozo the kKklown Posted May 4, 2019 Share Posted May 4, 2019 2 minutes ago, Renegade7 said: That's not going to fix the problem, jus a symptom. Does it involve lowering tuition prices or lending practices so we dont have to do it again down the road? And no I dont support free tuition, it's not anymore free them free healthcare. https://www.cnn.com/2019/05/03/politics/elizabeth-warren-calculator-student-debt-forgiveness/index.html Were talking about $680 billion, that's close to the entire military budget, and still wouldnt cover everything (says max $50k, which in my case is only half my student loan debt). I'd rather better programs for paying it back and using that unreal amount of money elsewhere, it doesnt address why they fell behind to begin with. Saying certain 2-4 year colleges will be free going forward sounds good, but they dont agree on how to pay for it, because someone will have to pay for it. Just realize you shifted your argument from, “it will never happen and it’s pandering” to “yeah, but what about this problem?!” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renegade7 Posted May 4, 2019 Share Posted May 4, 2019 Just now, BenningRoadSkin said: Just realize you shifted your argument from, “it will never happen and it’s pandering” to “yeah, but what about this problem?!” I did not, I'm sticking to it's never going to happen and presented why. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bozo the kKklown Posted May 4, 2019 Share Posted May 4, 2019 9 minutes ago, Renegade7 said: I did not, I'm sticking to it's never going to happen and presented why. “That’s not going to fix the problem, it’s just a symptom,” is you moving the goal posts. I agree it is a symptom to a bigger problem with college tuition costs which goes back to states, particularly red states, cutting money that went to colleges over the last 40 years. However you can’t change the argument mid-argument. You went from she is pandering and it will never happen to “college tuition costs skyrocketing is the bigger problem.” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renegade7 Posted May 4, 2019 Share Posted May 4, 2019 Just now, BenningRoadSkin said: “That’s not going to fix the problem, it’s just a symptom,” is you moving the goal posts. I agree it is a symptom to a bigger problem with college tuition costs which goes back to states, particularly red states, cutting money that went to colleges over the last 40 years. However you can’t change the argument mid-argument. You went from she is pandering and it will never happen to “college tuition costs skyrocketing is the bigger problem.” You asked me why I said it wouldnt happen and I'm telling you because it's too expensive for people to support and doesnt really fix the problem. That's not moving the goal post, that's continuing the conversation, I'm not sure what you were expecting me to do after you responded to me. Its pandering because the idea is targeted to people who need it most right now, but how often does that price tag come up or $50k limit? Me expanding on why I feel a certain way doesnt mean I'm running from anything, this is too expensive for me and a lot of centrist to get behind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bozo the kKklown Posted May 4, 2019 Share Posted May 4, 2019 1 minute ago, Renegade7 said: You asked me why I said it wouldnt happen and I'm telling you because it's too expensive for people to support and doesnt really fix the problem. That's not moving the goal post, that's continuing the conversation, I'm not sure what you were expecting me to do after you responded to me. Its pandering because the idea is targeted to people who need it most right now, but how often does that price tag come up or $50k limit? Me expanding on why I feel a certain way doesnt mean I'm running from anything, this is too expensive for me and a lot of centrist to get behind. I never asked that question. And for the record, I think we should institute a bigger tax on the wealthy and also close tax loopholes to end tax evaders. I’m also a lot more to the left than most of this board. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renegade7 Posted May 4, 2019 Share Posted May 4, 2019 7 minutes ago, BenningRoadSkin said: I never asked that question. And for the record, I think we should institute a bigger tax on the wealthy and also close tax loopholes to end tax evaders. I’m also a lot more to the left than most of this board. Thats what I gathered from this back and forth. I've seen that and agree with you on more then you think. But if we raise that kinda bulk of money we have to very smart and efficient on how we use it. In my head I'm hoping with all this talk of raising taxes some of it eventually goes to balancing the budget and lowering the national debt before those interest payments get out of control. I'm hearing more about programs them balancing the budget and that kinda concerns me, maybe its inferred it will be done, but THAT needs to be a priority, imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bozo the kKklown Posted May 4, 2019 Share Posted May 4, 2019 5 minutes ago, Renegade7 said: Thats what I gathered from this back and forth I haven’t said much, tbf. I actually agreed with your secondary point about tuition costs being a problem and pointed to why. That’s the most I said during this. I just don’t think Warren is pandering. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cooked Crack Posted May 4, 2019 Share Posted May 4, 2019 Good thread on why in 10 tweets Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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kfrankie Posted May 5, 2019 Share Posted May 5, 2019 Are people on this website pretty much all political democrats/ socialists that hate Trump? I'm pretty new here but for the tailgate part the first page looks far left? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
visionary Posted May 5, 2019 Share Posted May 5, 2019 12 minutes ago, kfrankie said: Are people on this website pretty much all political democrats/ socialists that hate Trump? I'm pretty new here but for the tailgate part the first page looks far left? No. For instance, I'm a moderate Republican who hates Trump. 😀 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kfrankie Posted May 5, 2019 Share Posted May 5, 2019 6 minutes ago, visionary said: No. For instance, I'm a moderate Republican who hates Trump. 😀 So it's just Trump ok get it. Thought it was very strange will try to stay away from politics anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Wiggles Posted May 5, 2019 Share Posted May 5, 2019 Some of us are Neo Stalinists. By us I mean me of course. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
youngestson Posted May 5, 2019 Share Posted May 5, 2019 9 hours ago, kfrankie said: Are people on this website pretty much all political democrats/ socialists that hate Trump? I'm pretty new here but for the tailgate part the first page looks far left? Not really. A revulsion to Trump's criminal and dangerous lunacy has created an odd mix of different political leanings unified in their opposition to both he and what is now the GOP. I'm what used to be called a liberal Republican or a conservative Democrat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Bozo the kKklown Posted May 5, 2019 Share Posted May 5, 2019 55 minutes ago, visionary said: this is pandering Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
visionary Posted May 5, 2019 Share Posted May 5, 2019 2 minutes ago, BenningRoadSkin said: this is pandering I think it's called campaigning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nonniey Posted May 5, 2019 Share Posted May 5, 2019 22 hours ago, BenningRoadSkin said: “That’s not going to fix the problem, it’s just a symptom,” is you moving the goal posts. I agree it is a symptom to a bigger problem with college tuition costs which goes back to states, particularly red states, cutting money that went to colleges over the last 40 years. However you can’t change the argument mid-argument. You went from she is pandering and it will never happen to “college tuition costs skyrocketing is the bigger problem.” Yes states cutting support certainly contributed to tuition increases. But are you seriously stating that was the primary driver for tuition increases? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nonniey Posted May 5, 2019 Share Posted May 5, 2019 44 minutes ago, BenningRoadSkin said: this is pandering That is Biden's base within the party. He is almost certainly going to be the nominee and it is the minority voters (who mostly aren't part of the bat chit crazy progressive wing of the Dems) that gives him the advantage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cooked Crack Posted May 5, 2019 Share Posted May 5, 2019 11 hours ago, clietas said: Some of us are Neo Stalinists I'm one of those Antifa super soldiers Fox News is always going on about. When I'm not on the collective farm getting swole, I'm out harassing conservatives. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nonniey Posted May 5, 2019 Share Posted May 5, 2019 12 hours ago, kfrankie said: Are people on this website pretty much all political democrats/ socialists that hate Trump? I'm pretty new here but for the tailgate part the first page looks far left? Yes for the most part. I don't like him myself (neo-con never Trumper) but haven't lost my mind over him like most here have and it wouldn't surprise me if he is reelected (which would completely dumbfound most on this board who have a tendency delude themselves into thinking he can't possibly win). There are a couple of Trump voters that post regularly - one voted reluctantly and one voted enthusiastically for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TradeTheBeal! Posted May 5, 2019 Share Posted May 5, 2019 12 hours ago, kfrankie said: Are people on this website pretty much all political democrats/ socialists that hate Trump? I'm pretty new here but for the tailgate part the first page looks far left? It’s a very diverse, very intelligent group here. The best place I’ve found on the web to get different viewpoints on a lot of issues. I’m a pretty moderate guy. I was on the record for Kasich last time around. Trump, and really all the Fox News punditry, are obviously swine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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