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[CobraCommander]

8 minutes ago, mistertim said:

 

The idea that Ukraine is using Starlink in this conflict is hilarious. You saw Ukraine's response, right? They were like "uh, thanks".

 

The Vice Prime Minister of Ukraine Directly ask Musk for these. It wasn't a "uh, thanks" moment. I'm no Musk apologist but they wanted these for something. Probably to keep it's citizens connected with each other and the outside world. 

[CousinsCowgirl84]

16 minutes ago, mistertim said:

 

The idea that Ukraine is using Starlink in this conflict is hilarious. You saw Ukraine's response, right? They were like "uh, thanks".

 

Ukraine will already have their own ways to communicate locally for military applications and coordination. They'd have little to no use for Starlink unless they somehow decided to use it as a backup for unsecured access to the internet so their soldiers can check Facebook or something.

 

Protip: the military doesn't go over the internet for their secure communications during battle. They DO use TCP/IP in some cases nowadays, but those are hardened standalone networks. And yes, that would include private sliced 5G in the near future.

 

WHY THE WORLD’S MILITARIES ARE EMBRACING 5G

 

You seriously don't know anything about this stuff and should stop trying to pretend you do.

https://spacenews.com/spacex-heeds-ukraines-starlink-sos/

 

Ukraine asked for starlink. They didn’t call up Verizon asking for some 5g towers.

[tshile]

35 minutes ago, CousinsCowgirl84 said:

I wonder why Ukraine didn’t ask for 5g towers

Seems like a stupid thought

 

i, on the other hand, have no issue understanding why they didn’t request someone send them a bunch of towers. 

[CousinsCowgirl84]

2 minutes ago, tshile said:

Seems like a stupid thought

 

i, on the other hand, have no issue understanding why they didn’t request someone send them a bunch of towers. 

I agree with you. That is what @mistertim was suggesting a few weeks ago. Just deploy abunch of 5g towers everywhere. 

Edited March 1, 2022 by CousinsCowgirl84

[mistertim]

7 minutes ago, CousinsCowgirl84 said:

https://spacenews.com/spacex-heeds-ukraines-starlink-sos/

 

Ukraine asked for starlink. They didn’t call up Verizon asking for some 5g towers.

 

They're not using Starlink for their military. If they use Starlink at all, it would possibly be to try and keep connectivity to the regular internet for some of their citizens or officials in the event that their land based fiber internet access went down. So cool, they have backup for internet access.

 

All you ever do is move goalposts. Did you read the link? 5G is very much a technology that the military is starting to use and will use in near future military applications, utilizing a variety of 5G base stations, many of them mobile.

 

Again, you have zero experience in this area and yet you continuously thrust yourself into the conversation as if you're some expert, and then try to diminish the experience of those who do this sort of stuff for a living.

 

1 minute ago, CousinsCowgirl84 said:

I agree with you. That is what @mistertim was suggesting a few weeks ago. Just deploy abunch of 5g towers everywhere. 

 

See above.

Edited March 1, 2022 by mistertim

[CousinsCowgirl84]

4 minutes ago, mistertim said:

 

They're not using Starlink for their military. If they use Starlink at all, it would possibly be to try and keep connectivity to the regular internet for some of their citizens or officials in the event that their land based fiber internet access went down. So cool, they have backup for internet access.

 

how do you know what they are using it for? I assume they are using it to talk to the outside world. That has military uses.  Clearly you are wrong. Yea but still your way out of this if you like.

 

 

4 minutes ago, mistertim said:

 

All you ever do is move goalposts. Did you read the link?
 

 

I didn’t move any goal posts. 5g has uses where command control is secure but certainly not in the front lines in an insecure environment like a battlefield.

 

4 minutes ago, mistertim said:

 

Again, you have zero experience in this area and yet you continuously thrust yourself into the conversation as if you're some expert, and then try to diminish the experience of those who do this sort of stuff for a living.

 

 

We can see imperially what happens in on a battlefield.

Edited March 1, 2022 by CousinsCowgirl84

[mistertim]

Just now, CousinsCowgirl84 said:

 

how do you know what they are using it for? I assume they are using it to talk to the outside world. That has military uses.  Clearly you are wrong.

 

I didn’t move any goal posts. 
 

We can see imperially what happens in on a battlefield.

 

No the military doesn't use the internet for their military applications. Jesus Christ. Does the military use the internet in general? Sure. For regular internet stuff like their website, Facebook, Twitter, etc and so their soldiers and officers can get online and watch porn or do whatever. Or for unsecure communications in general. Not in actual military applications. That requires specifically designed hardened systems and networks.

 

Which is why they're embracing private 5G. Again, if you read the link you'd gain more actual knowledge on this subject, not what you seem to think is knowledge.

 

I prefer to metrically see what happens on battlefields. Imperial is way too niche to the USA. Other countries would get confused when we started talking about how many feet away we are instead of meters.

[tshile]

3 minutes ago, mistertim said:

That requires specifically designed hardened systems and networks.

I appreciate reading what you write

But, you are wasting your time. 

[CousinsCowgirl84]

7 minutes ago, mistertim said:

 

No the military doesn't use the internet for their military applications. Jesus Christ. Does the military use the internet in general?

 

because it would be impossible to create a highly secure vpn using starlink, a system that the US government has absolute control over who can access? Or because you can’t use starlink to hold meetings with world leaders asking for weapons and other assistance?

 

7 minutes ago, mistertim said:

 

 

I prefer to metrically see what happens on battlefields.

what has happened is they are asking for starlink.

Edited March 1, 2022 by CousinsCowgirl84

[mistertim]

14 minutes ago, CousinsCowgirl84 said:

 

becysse it would be impossible to create a highly secure vpn using starlink, a system that the US government has absolute control over who can access?

 

 

Just so I understand you, you're claiming that you think an advanced 1st world military is going to use a VPN GRE tunnel over the internet for secure military applications like command and coordination on the battlefield. Is that right? You seriously just said that with a straight face?

 

The entire point is that the US government does not have absolute control over it. It's the internet. Those packets will be hopping over many different providers to get to their endpoint and there's no way to control how it gets there, regardless of whether you're using a VPN tunnel or not. That's why, as I've stated, the military uses hardened and independent systems and networks for actual military applications. (And soon, private 5G...again...as explained in detail in the IEEE link I provided).

 

Is there some reason that you can't accept that there are people who have more experience in these areas and have more knowledge than you? Is this your thing in general or is it solely when someone says something mean about Musk? Do you do this in real life or is it just anonymously on the internet?

 

I truly don't understand this sort of behavior from people. I don't go into the SCOTUS thread and tell actual lawyers that they have no clue what they're talking about because I read some Wikipedia articles about jurisprudence in the USA. I don't go into the Ask A Mechanic thread and tell people who are professional car mechanics that they're clueless because I spent an hour online reading about how fuel injection works.

 

17 minutes ago, tshile said:

I appreciate reading what you write

But, you are wasting your time. 

 

Yeah, it's in one ear and out the other. Though to be honest I'm not sure it even gets to the first ear in most cases.

Edited March 1, 2022 by mistertim

[CousinsCowgirl84]

9 minutes ago, mistertim said:

 

The entire point is that the US government does not have absolute control over it. It's the internet.

 

starlink is not the internet.

[mistertim]

4 minutes ago, CousinsCowgirl84 said:

 

starlink is not the internet.

 

 

 

From literally the very first page on Starlink's website:

 

"Starlink provides high-speed, low-latency broadband internet across the globe. Within each coverage area, orders are fulfilled on a first-come, first-served basis."

Edited March 1, 2022 by mistertim

[Sacks 'n' Stuff]

Why don’t we all just agree that Elon is a genius and he’s also a jerk?

[CobraCommander]

Just now, Sacks 'n' Stuff said:

Why don’t we all just agree that Elon is a genius and he’s also a jerk?

I'm not so sure about Genius. I will say that he can be both generous and selfish. He can be both helpful and destructive. He is very Yin Yang. 

[CousinsCowgirl84]

47 minutes ago, mistertim said:

 

 

 

From literally the very first page on Starlink's website:

 

"Starlink provides high-speed, low-latency broadband internet across the globe. Within each coverage area, orders are fulfilled on a first-come, first-served basis."

Yes, they provide internet access as a product to commercial/residential consumers.

 

 

do you know how the internet works though? Or do you think the starlink dish connects straight to the internet?

Edited March 1, 2022 by CousinsCowgirl84

[mistertim]

5 minutes ago, CousinsCowgirl84 said:

Yes, they provide internet access as a product to commercial/residential consumers.

 

 

do you know how the internet works though? Or do you think the starlink dish connects straight to the internet?

 

No. I have no idea how the internet works.

 

Can you please explain it to a stupid glorified IT bro who definitely has never designed and built multiple global service provider networks in the past? I need to understand it and I would like you to give me an in-depth tuturial because I enjoy learning new things.

 

And please don't copy and paste it from a website or give me a link. I want you to tell me in your own words exactly how the internet works. I appreciate your magnanimity in this matter.

[CousinsCowgirl84]

Ok, well I’m perplexed that you think it would be impossible for starlink to create a secure network because it also sells internet service to end consumers. SpaceX has complete control (and since SpaceX is a defense contractor in a strategic industry, the government has complete control) over who connects to its satellites. The sattelites have an encrypted conscript between the terminals and land base reciever/repeaters. Those the connect to the internet. You should be able to use your IT bro skills to figure out that SpaceX can deliver fully encrypted data streams for the military from there.

[Jabbyrwock]

6 minutes ago, mistertim said:

No. I have no idea how the internet works.

 

Can you please explain it to a stupid glorified IT bro

[mistertim]

3 minutes ago, CousinsCowgirl84 said:

Ok, well I’m perplexed that you think it would be impossible for starlink to create a secure network because it also sells internet service to end consumers. SpaceX has complete control (and since SpaceX is a defense contractor in a strategic industry, the government has complete control) over who connects to its satellites. The sattelites have an encrypted conscript between the terminals and land base reciever/repeaters. Those the connect to the internet. You should be able to use your IT bro skills to figure out that SpaceX can deliver fully encrypted data streams for the military from there.

 

I'm waiting for you to explain to me how the internet works. Please explain it.

[CousinsCowgirl84]

Just did 👍 

[mistertim]

Just now, CousinsCowgirl84 said:

Just did 👍 

 

No you didn't. You just said that the satellites connect to a receiver that connects to the internet (which in itself is a super simplified version of how sat broadband actually works). That doesn't explain how the internet works. You asked me if I know how the internet works, implying that you do.

 

Let's see your chops. Tell me how the internet works.

[CousinsCowgirl84]

1 hour ago, mistertim said:

 

No you didn't. You just said that the satellites connect to a receiver that connects to the internet (which in itself is a super simplified version of how sat broadband actually works).

 

 

which is QED on whether not Starlink can be secure enough for military purposes.

 

if starlink sends data up and down encrypted and controls the receivers, end to end data is ran over a fully encrypted network and they have complete control over access to the network, and there no greater risk of intrusion than any other means of getting data from one side of the world to the other.

 

 

you don’t have to connect the starlink receivers to the internet. You could connect it to private servers.

Edited March 1, 2022 by CousinsCowgirl84

[mistertim]

1 hour ago, CousinsCowgirl84 said:

which is QED on whether not Starlink can be secure enough for military purposes.

 

if starlink sends data up and down encrypted and controls the receivers, end to end data is ran over a fully encrypted network and they have complete control over access to the network, and there no greater risk of intrusion than any other means of getting data from one side of the world to the other.

 

Who's "fully encrypted network" does it run over? It isn't Starlink's, because Starlink satellites don't send data to each other. They don't have a "backbone" network up there and they also don't have a terrestrial one down here. They originally wanted to use FSO links and have the satellites peer with each other but they don't have it right now.

 

Each satellite is a more or less a standalone unit which sends data down to base stations, where it's then sent over local LECs and other providers' fiber networks to public and private peering points where it sends the data to various service providers that they peer with (aka the internet). So no, Starlink does not have "complete control". It's actually closer to the opposite when compared to terrestrial providers who have their own backbone networks.

 

At some point you're going to just have to realize that you don't know as much about this stuff as you believe, and whether or not you think I'm a "glorified IT bro" doesn't change the fact that I have over 20 years experience in designing and building service provider networks and datacenters. And that includes at a broadband satellite company. So literally none of this is new to me.

Edited March 1, 2022 by mistertim

[CousinsCowgirl84]

1 minute ago, mistertim said:

 

It isn't Starlink's, because Starlink satellites don't send data to each other.

But, they do.

 

https://www.satellitetoday.com/broadband/2021/01/25/latest-starlink-satellites-equipped-with-laser-communications-musk-confirms/

[mistertim]

Just now, CousinsCowgirl84 said:

But, they do.

 

https://www.satellitetoday.com/broadband/2021/01/25/latest-starlink-satellites-equipped-with-laser-communications-musk-confirms/

 

Yes, and that has nothing to do with anything that's happening on their network right now. Just because they launched a few new satellites that have that capability doesn't mean anything because pretty much none of the other 2,000 satellites up there have it so those handful of new satellites can only communicate with each other.

 

So again I ask, who's "fully encrypted network" is this data being sent over? And again I say...it isn't Starlink's because Starlink doesn't have a backbone network. Starlink sends it out to the internet.