88Comrade2000 Posted February 2, 2016 Author Share Posted February 2, 2016 Lots of buzz about Rubio doing well but to me it looks like he has already coalesced the establishment vote and it is still only good for third place. Rubio was in the single digits not to long ago in IA. Rubio's performance tonight helps him next week. Christie, Bush, Kasich are fighting Rubio for the establishment vote. Rubio can finish 2nd next week, it's over for all 3. Bush won't drop out yet but Christie and Kasich will be done. If Trump stumbles, maybe Rubio can win NH. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brandymac27 Posted February 2, 2016 Share Posted February 2, 2016 As a Bernie supporter, I'm quite happy with what I'm seeing here. For all intents and purposes, this is a tie game. Given the way this campaign started, that's a victory. Omg I literally said the same thing to my neighbor about 10 minutes ago lol. Go Bern! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
88Comrade2000 Posted February 2, 2016 Author Share Posted February 2, 2016 That's true. What do you think happens if he loses NH? Game over? Time to worry, or no big deal? CRUZ is playing for SC and Super Tuesday. Cruz wasn't going to win anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nonniey Posted February 2, 2016 Share Posted February 2, 2016 Obviously due to Democrats crossing party lines, to vote against him. LOL I'm sure any Dem crossing party lines would vote for Trump. Like I've been saying a Vote for Trump is vote for Hillary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brandymac27 Posted February 2, 2016 Share Posted February 2, 2016 CRUZ is playing for SC and Super Tuesday. Cruz wasn't going to win anyway. I'm sorry, I meant if Trump loses NH. My fault! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Predicto Posted February 2, 2016 Share Posted February 2, 2016 That's true. What do you think happens if he loses NH? Game over? Time to worry, or no big deal? Iowa and New Hampshire get all the press because they are first but they mostly don't mean jack, unless you are a marginal candidate trying to hang on. Rural caucuses are always weird, and New Hampshire is tiny. Rick Santorum won the Iowa caucuses and it kept him in the race for a while, but he was doomed from the start. For the big boys, it's all about Super Tuesday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Destino Posted February 2, 2016 Share Posted February 2, 2016 i disagree. Trump already has a built in excuse. IA was more inclined towards Evangelicals, hence a Cruz victory. Trump is still going to come in a close second. It's NH and beyond where you statements are more valid. He loses NH,NV and SC after leading; then he's probably done and dropping out of the race.I don't agree. Trump lead in the polls, so many of them, and now he's barely fighting Rubio off for second. This is a big win for Cruz. Trump skipping the debate is going to loom large and it's going to look like his supporters jumped ship. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Predicto Posted February 2, 2016 Share Posted February 2, 2016 LOL I'm sure any Dem crossing party lines would vote for Trump. Like I've been saying a Vote for Trump is vote for Hillary. Really? Cruz seems like the utterly unelectable one to me. If I was gaming things for the Democrats, I'd be trying to get Cruz the nomination. Or maybe Santorum. but gaming like that never works Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
88Comrade2000 Posted February 2, 2016 Author Share Posted February 2, 2016 Bush,Christie and Kasich have to be depressed tonight. No, they didn't expect to do much tonight but with Rubio's strong showing; Rubio can now make the case that he's the alternative to Trump and Cruz. I fully expect Rubio's NH numbers to jump to be at least second. How are you going to tell NH voters that you are better option than Rubio if your Christie,Kasich and Bush. You don't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brandymac27 Posted February 2, 2016 Share Posted February 2, 2016 For the big boys, it's all about Super Tuesday. Gotcha. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
visionary Posted February 2, 2016 Share Posted February 2, 2016 Trump must be ****ing furious right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedskinsFan44 Posted February 2, 2016 Share Posted February 2, 2016 All the stragglers who support Jeb and Carly and Kacich and so on will gravitate to him eventually. And when Cruz and Trump punch each other in the face, some of each of their followers will end up with Rubio too. I think the Carson votes go to Cruz or Trump, and he got more than Bush, Fiorina and Kasich combined. But I do believe Rubio is the establishment guy going forward, and is far more viable in the general election. Probably about to get a boatload of money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
88Comrade2000 Posted February 2, 2016 Author Share Posted February 2, 2016 Ted Cruz projected winner of Iowa caucus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
s0crates Posted February 2, 2016 Share Posted February 2, 2016 81% of Dem vote in, less than 1% separate Bernie and Hillary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twa Posted February 2, 2016 Share Posted February 2, 2016 Rubio within 1.6% of T ....make it happen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedskinsFan44 Posted February 2, 2016 Share Posted February 2, 2016 Trump must be ****ing furious right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Destino Posted February 2, 2016 Share Posted February 2, 2016 Trump must be ****ing furious right now. Yup, he expected to win this. Cruz can now hammer him for losing and we all know Trump is going to hate that. That's assuming he holds second, if Rubio passes him Iowa becomes a disaster for the Donald. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
88Comrade2000 Posted February 2, 2016 Author Share Posted February 2, 2016 ****, Rubio can finish second. Now, that's shocking. Looks like not having an organization and missing the debate really hurt him. Good. I wanted a surprise tonight and I may get it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Going Commando Posted February 2, 2016 Share Posted February 2, 2016 Iowa and New Hampshire get all the press because they are first but they mostly don't mean jack, unless you are a marginal candidate trying to hang on. Rural caucuses are always weird, and New Hampshire is tiny. Rick Santorum won the Iowa caucuses and it kept him in the race for a while, but he was doomed from the start. For the big boys, it's all about Super Tuesday. They're extremely important for momentum. The last candidate to win the presidency who didn't win Iowa or New Hampshire was Bill Clinton. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brandymac27 Posted February 2, 2016 Share Posted February 2, 2016 For Iowa to have so many conservative evangelicals, I have to assume this is great for Bernie...considering he's supposed to be some Socialist loon by quite a few conservatives. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
s0crates Posted February 2, 2016 Share Posted February 2, 2016 As far as what this means going forward, is it safe to say tonight's big winners are Bernie and Rubio? CNN reports Cruz the winner. Good night for him. Trump is the big loser. Give Iowa credit for that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
88Comrade2000 Posted February 2, 2016 Author Share Posted February 2, 2016 I'm sorry, I meant if Trump loses NH. My fault! Actually, if Trump loses to Rubio in IA; that's major. Hell, could Trump lose NH? If that happens, his campaign could be going off the rails and be over by the end of February. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brandymac27 Posted February 2, 2016 Share Posted February 2, 2016 I wanted a surprise tonight and I may get it. I think we're all shocked about this one! They're extremely important for momentum. The last candidate to win the presidency who didn't win Iowa or New Hampshire was Bill Clinton. Interesting. That was the first election I was old enough to vote in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
88Comrade2000 Posted February 2, 2016 Author Share Posted February 2, 2016 Mike Huckabee has suspended his campaign, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Destino Posted February 2, 2016 Share Posted February 2, 2016 Destino projects this is the beginning of the end for Trump. His mistakes will pile up, and strong feelings against him will ensure that as other GOP candidates drop out they'll join Rubio and Cruz. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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