DRSmith Posted March 16, 2011 Share Posted March 16, 2011 Many seem to think that regulation is bad that it is slowing down things, but after watching what is happening in Japan and knowledge that other disasters can happen has the position changed at all? Regulation can not prevent everything but they can minimize damage Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thiebear Posted March 16, 2011 Share Posted March 16, 2011 Regulations are great if they are managed and not zero tolerance. Great intentions don't mean much if they actually cause harm. In my opinion: Regulation is created to clean the water/air/land. Loopholes are in there that 'someone' uses to make money. (lawmaker, lobbyist, individual, corporation). More regulation is added to fix that which causes other issues. 13 years later we have a mess and have to start over, but we don't... example: The U.S. Department of Transportation has proposed a series of regulations aimed at operators of farm equipment in Pennsylvania. Those regulations would require farmers to keep logs, prohibit anyone under 18 from working a tractor, and anyone operating a tractor or other farm equipment would need a medical certificate. Carl Shaffer, president of the Pennsylvania Farm Bureau, said Pennsylvania is being singled out with these regulations because of a recent federal review of the state’s motor carrier standards. Regulators in the USDOT have threatened to withhold highway funding to Pennsylvania if these regulations are not enforced, Shaffer said. http://www.farmanddairy.com/news/pa-farmers-hammered-by-dot-regs/14313.html And as others have pointed out Penssylvania has crappy roads already.. They can't lose that funding. This seemed like a good read to me: http://www.apatheticvoter.com/RegulationDeregulation.htm Example of why you HAVE to have regulation: OSHA - A Prime Example of Bureaucratic Power Congress created the Occupational Safety and Health Administration (OSHA) to safeguard workers, but the fear of many Americans has been borne out by some of the ridiculous ruling and fines laid on small business by these bureaucrats. OSHA has literally forced a number of companies out of business because of exorbitant fines for very minor infractions. In the opinion of many people (especially corporations), OSHA eventually should be scrapped altogether, although the advocates of laissez-faire have a difficult time supporting their position when numerous horror stories of corporate America’s callous disregard for the public have been documented in the news even if the problems occurred 20 or 50 years ago. The Love Canal in New York was a perfect example of this callous attitude. The canal became a haven for the dumping of hazardous wastes from 1920-1953. The canal was abandoned and buried over in 1953 before the extent of the hazardous material was recognized. In simple terms, Love Canal is one of the most appalling environmental tragedies in American history. In the late 1950s, about 100 homes and a public school were built at the site. Twenty five years after the Hooker Chemical Company stopped using the Love Canal here as an industrial dump, 82 different compounds, 11 of them suspected carcinogens, were found percolating up through the soil, their drum containers rotting and leaching their contents into the backyards and basements of the homes and the school. The New York State Health Department found a disturbingly high rate of miscarriages, along with five birth-defect cases in the area. A large percentage of people in Love Canal were found to have high white-blood-cell counts, a possible precursor of leukemia. Using Superfund monies, the site has been cleaned up and people eventually started to move back into the area. This tragic incident cannot be considered an isolated event, although the damage was done in this one incident over 50 years ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DRSmith Posted March 16, 2011 Author Share Posted March 16, 2011 Regulations are great if they are managed and not zero tolerance.Great intentions don't mean much if they actually cause harm. In my opinion: Regulation is created to clean the water/air/land. Loopholes are in there that 'someone' uses to make money. (lawmaker, lobbyist, individual, corporation). More regulation is added to fix that which causes other issues. 13 years later we have a mess and have to start over. At time though regulation does not suit the situation Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twa Posted March 16, 2011 Share Posted March 16, 2011 So your position is Japan was loosely regulated?...seriously? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DRSmith Posted March 16, 2011 Author Share Posted March 16, 2011 So your position is Japan was loosely regulated?...seriously? Where did I say that? Why not try again ---------- Post added March-16th-2011 at 06:43 AM ---------- Regulations are great if they are managed and not zero tolerance.Great intentions don't mean much if they actually cause harm. In my opinion: Regulation is created to clean the water/air/land. Loopholes are in there that 'someone' uses to make money. (lawmaker, lobbyist, individual, corporation). More regulation is added to fix that which causes other issues. 13 years later we have a mess and have to start over, but we don't... example: The U.S. Department of Transportation has proposed a series of regulations aimed at operators of farm equipment in Pennsylvania. Those regulations would require farmers to keep logs, prohibit anyone under 18 from working a tractor, and anyone operating a tractor or other farm equipment would need a medical certificate. Carl Shaffer, president of the Pennsylvania Farm Bureau, said Pennsylvania is being singled out with these regulations because of a recent federal review of the state’s motor carrier standards. Regulators in the USDOT have threatened to withhold highway funding to Pennsylvania if these regulations are not enforced, Shaffer said. http://www.farmanddairy.com/news/pa-farmers-hammered-by-dot-regs/14313.html And as others have pointed out Penssylvania has crappy roads already.. They can't lose that funding. This seemed like a good read to me: http://www.apatheticvoter.com/RegulationDeregulation.htm Example of why you HAVE to have regulation: OSHA - A Prime Example of Bureaucratic Power Congress created the Occupational Safety and Health Administration (OSHA) to safeguard workers, but the fear of many Americans has been borne out by some of the ridiculous ruling and fines laid on small business by these bureaucrats. OSHA has literally forced a number of companies out of business because of exorbitant fines for very minor infractions. In the opinion of many people (especially corporations), OSHA eventually should be scrapped altogether, although the advocates of laissez-faire have a difficult time supporting their position when numerous horror stories of corporate America’s callous disregard for the public have been documented in the news even if the problems occurred 20 or 50 years ago. The Love Canal in New York was a perfect example of this callous attitude. The canal became a haven for the dumping of hazardous wastes from 1920-1953. The canal was abandoned and buried over in 1953 before the extent of the hazardous material was recognized. In simple terms, Love Canal is one of the most appalling environmental tragedies in American history. In the late 1950s, about 100 homes and a public school were built at the site. Twenty five years after the Hooker Chemical Company stopped using the Love Canal here as an industrial dump, 82 different compounds, 11 of them suspected carcinogens, were found percolating up through the soil, their drum containers rotting and leaching their contents into the backyards and basements of the homes and the school. The New York State Health Department found a disturbingly high rate of miscarriages, along with five birth-defect cases in the area. A large percentage of people in Love Canal were found to have high white-blood-cell counts, a possible precursor of leukemia. Using Superfund monies, the site has been cleaned up and people eventually started to move back into the area. This tragic incident cannot be considered an isolated event, although the damage was done in this one incident over 50 years ago. Is there the same rule for farms in every state? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thiebear Posted March 16, 2011 Share Posted March 16, 2011 Where did I say that? Is there the same rule for farms in every state? There is not, they are using the Pennsylvania Transportation law to affect tractors and farm equipment. another one that is more topical: On Extremeskins. Re: Maryland Senators Approve In-State Tuition For Illegal Immigrants Maryland is a Sanctuary State that "allows" illegals against Federal Law. Maryland is trying to allow illegals to get in state tuition fees if they went to a local high school at least 3 years. Maryland business' will be fined and can be put out of business depending on size if they hire them after they graduate with that brain filled with knowledge. It's these kind of regulations that makes the avg. citizens eye twitch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DRSmith Posted March 16, 2011 Author Share Posted March 16, 2011 There is not, they are using the Pennsylvania Transportation law to affect tractors and farm equipment.another one that is more topical: On Extremeskins. Re: Maryland Senators Approve In-State Tuition For Illegal Immigrants Maryland is a Sanctuary State that "allows" illegals against Federal Law. Maryland is trying to allow illegals to get in state tuition fees if they went to a local high school at least 3 years. Maryland business' will be fined and can be put out of business depending on size if they hire them after they graduate with that brain filled with knowledge. It's these kind of regulations that makes the avg. citizens eye twitch. A state making laws for it's self to me seems a bit different than the feds making laws for one state. Immigration over all seems to be a bit of an example of over regulations in some cases as they seem to have classes of immigrants and exceptions for this group or that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burgold Posted March 16, 2011 Share Posted March 16, 2011 Everything in balance, too much regulation can be as dangerous as too little. On a different level, one of the difficulties we most often face is the effect of unenforced regulations and people getting away with stuff they are not supposed to do. Underfunding of agencies lead to poor enforcement and corporations getting away with murder (sometimes quite literally) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LD0506 Posted March 16, 2011 Share Posted March 16, 2011 To me it is an issue of who is making the regs and what their motivations are. There is seemingly little objective control, it always comes down to serve someone's profit incentive. Gov't serves the people only as an afterthought. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DRSmith Posted March 16, 2011 Author Share Posted March 16, 2011 To me it is an issue of who is making the regs and what their motivations are. There is seemingly little objective control, it always comes down to serve someone's profit incentive. Gov't serves the people only as an afterthought. Get rid of private money in elections and this may change Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LD0506 Posted March 16, 2011 Share Posted March 16, 2011 Get rid of private money in elections and this may change Grind up half the lawyers and use them as fertilizer, that'd do more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DRSmith Posted March 16, 2011 Author Share Posted March 16, 2011 Grind up half the lawyers and use them as fertilizer, that'd do more. Why they can ask for things all they want but if they do not have money to give how are they any different Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lombardi's_kid_brother Posted March 16, 2011 Share Posted March 16, 2011 God bless Japanese building codes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zoony Posted March 16, 2011 Share Posted March 16, 2011 God bless Japanese building codes. damn gov't intervention. They should have let the free market decide. Communists, all of them. Ron Paul for pres. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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