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Shanahan unhired, Romeo Crennel hired.

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jflow78

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I can understand wanting to go for a fresh face, but the odds of that (what I believe you're talking about) working out (hiring a retread who WASN'T successful somewhere else) make less sense to me than hiring someone who wasn't given a chance at all. In nearly every instance the former failure of a coach moved from a bad team to a much much better one (Belicheck inherited the Pats from Parcells after his SB run, Norv was handed the SB caliber Chargers after a 14-2 season, and even Shanahan was given the Broncos who already had Elway, and Davis if I'm not mistaken).

We're in a completely different situation here. Regardless of what anyone says, most of us can agree that we need to rebuild. I'd rather have a coach from Parcell's line who's never ha d a chance (like what happenned with the Saints) than a guy from Belichick's line. Especially since no one from his line has had ANY success anywhere but in Boston with Bill overseeing them.

In this instance, you're getting basically what you wanted, except that Shanahan has had success in between being a failure HC and coming here. I'm much more comfortable with him, knowing he's been a success, than I am with Crennel since the rest of Bills' assistants have turned out to be failures as well. Especially when we're rebuilding and we need someone who not only has the knowledge and experience behind them (like those who wanted Cowher, Holmgren, Gruden) but someone who the owner respects enough to be mostly hands off with. For exactly that reason, I think Shanahan was the perfect guy for the job.

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A joke, obviously, but it got me thinking two things.

You want a 3-4 look? Think Crennel. I don't know if I prefer Mike Zimmer generally or not. I recall him being HIGHLY aggressive with that 0-coverage stuff in Dallas, which makes me like it and should suit us, because even when we have a safety back, we have no actual coverage.

I also got to thinking, as generally positive as people feel today about the direction of the team and Dan Snyder as the owner (today, for recent actions of course), imagine if he'd done like the Pats and hired a loser head coach from the Browns out of the Parcells tree.

So, yes, if things fail with Shanahan and we're at our all time low, remember, everyone becomes a genius overnight with ONE spot of luck.

We HAVE hired the young up and comer. And his name is also Shannahan. I LOVE the Mike Shannahan hire. I think he brings credibility and discipline and all the stuff everyone is talking about. BUT, what really makes me giddy about this hire is the fact that we now have HIS SON inside our organization. The absolutely ideal situation is a a few champsionship runs under Senior before he eventually leaves the head coaching gig to his son Kyle. I love this situation.

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This thread title is misleading

Indeed so. And, yet, not a violation of the rules. Imagine how that can be and get back to me.

HINT: The rule was implemented to prevent two things. One, the fake post at any time. Two, the misleading post during a time of heavy use. Both portions were meant to capture someone willfully trying to trick someone into believing the post as true, OR, possibly someone wanting you to read how much he hates Dan Snyder, but titles it, "Redskins bring back Gregg Williams as DC," in order to get you there.

Heck, that's almost MORE than a hint, but you can complete the rest.

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Jeff in D.C.

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Originally Posted by cphil006 viewpost.gif

Guess what?

Romeo Crennel wasn't the DC of the Patriots...

Bill Belicheck was!!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Romeo_Crennel

Crennel was the DC for the Patriots 2001-2004

His point was that Grimace had the title of DC, but that Belichick was the one behind the schemes and philosophy and was essentially running the D behind the scenes.

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Riggo-toni

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Art,

How could we possibly go wrong by hiring a guy who's won one payoff game in the last ten years? Be reasonable. And how can you doubt Bruce Allen, other than the fact that the Bucs had one of the worst drafting records in the NFL during his tenure and went from perennial contender to league doormat. The haters like you really upset me!

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Art,

How could we possibly go wrong by hiring a guy who's won one payoff game in the last ten years? Be reasonable. And how can you doubt Bruce Allen, other than the fact that the Bucs had one of the worst drafting records in the NFL during his tenure and went from perennial contender to league doormat. The haters like you really upset me!

People should probably read this post :).

It was RIGHT to be euphoric with Gibbs returning, though a sober look would have revealed some trouble getting back into the swing. Shanahan will be in the swing fine, but there are reasons to think we won't be in the Bowl next year.

However, we have professional people in key positions. THAT is better than a few days ago. And we appear to have some VERY high level coaches willing to consider us. We could go from a weak staff to the best overnight. That will be beneficial, even if we can't compete at the highest levels.

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Gibbs is the only coach in NFL history to win 3 SBs with 3 different QBs. Name one other coach who's won another SB without the same QB. All you guys have against Shanahan is that he won 2 SBs with Elway, who also won zeor SBs without Shanahan.

Sorry, but after hearing the game plan for the SB against the Packers, it was complete genius and I'm very happy to have him as our HC, much more than pcking a guy from Belichicks line, where they are completely devoid of success. His entire line of former assistants haven't won a single playoff game as HCs combined.

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All you guys have against Shanahan is that he won 2 SBs with Elway, who also won zero SBs without Shanahan.

Actually, what I have against Shanahan is that he couldn't win a playoff game even with Elway in the bush-league era AFC until Terrell Davis showed up, and then only won one lousy playoff game in 10 years after TD had to retire.

Seifert had the highest winning percentage of any coach in history when he left the 49ers so he could have final say in personnel with the Panthers. How'd that turn out?

I wouldn't want Crennel either, mind you, nor do I think the OP (Art) would. The point is that this is the usual Snyder move, when criticized, hire a known name HC and step back for a few years.

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This is unrelated to the topic, but how come a Mod is able to make a thread title that is uninformative and a joke, but when a regular user does this, he gets snapped at to change it and risks being NNTd?

Be careful. I got a 1 day vacation for saying the exact same thing.

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Jeff in D.C.

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Actually, what I have against Shanahan is that he couldn't win a playoff game even with Elway in the bush-league era AFC until Terrell Davis showed up, and then only won one lousy playoff game in 10 years after TD had to retire.

Seifert had the highest winning percentage of any coach in history when he left the 49ers so he could have final say in personnel with the Panthers. How'd that turn out?

I wouldn't want Crennel either, mind you, nor do I think the OP (Art) would. The point is that this is the usual Snyder move, when criticized, hire a known name HC and step back for a few years.

You're missing the point here Riggo.

First off, we all knew that Seifert was overrated and won those Super Bowls with Bill Walsh's players. Plus the Panthers were in horrible shape when Seifert got there, so the coaching part of it wasn't entirely his fault but he was his own worst enemy with his personnel decisions.

Secondly, TD was drafted in 1995, which was Shanny's first year in Denver. So to say that Shanny didn't win a playoff game until TD got there is irrelevant. Shanny won the SB there in his third season so I don't see your point.

Third, the topic of post-Elway. Until Cutler, Shanny had a combo of Brian Griese, the Gus Bus, & Jake Plummer at QB. No coach could have done better with those guys then what he did, and keep in mind that the decade belonged to the Patriots, Colts, & Steelers, who combined to account for three of his playoff losses in the decade (2000 Ravens were the other, they won the SB). Shanny made some poor personnel decisions, but I don't doubt his coaching ability and I think he'll be better at making personnel decisions than he was in Denver.

He got to the playoffs with Brian Griese & Gus Frerotte at QB and went 13-3 with Jake Plummer and beat the Patriots in the playoffs the year they were attempting to three-peat. He also had to constantly re-build an aging defense, especially after Elway retired.

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This is unrelated to the topic, but how come a Mod is able to make a thread title that is uninformative and a joke, but when a regular user does this, he gets snapped at to change it and risks being NNTd?

Asked and answered IN this thread.

Read it. Your next post is a directly reply to that answer.

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