Springfield Posted December 21, 2009 Share Posted December 21, 2009 Best years clearly with Elway That begs the question: Assuming Jason Campbell is here next season. Is he better than Cutler, Griese or Plummer? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atlanta Skins Fan Posted December 21, 2009 Author Share Posted December 21, 2009 That begs the question:Assuming Jason Campbell is here next season. Is he better than Cutler, Griese or Plummer? I don't think Shanahan is hitching his wagon to Jason Campbell. I would have said that anyway, but I also believe that Snyder's attempts to dump Campbell for Cutler or Sanchez last offseason were attempts to lay the groundwork for eventually hiring Shanahan. Similar in this way to dumping Cerrato and hiring Bruce Allen. Directed as preconditions by Shanahan. The verdict from Shanahan is already in. Jason Campbell is Plan B, if he's part of the plan at all. Jason Campbell:Shanahan = Patrick Ramsey:Gibbs. If Shanahan is hired, we're almost certainly drafting a QB in the first round. That was the Plan B (Sanchez) option after the Cutler trade fell through, so it's Plan A now. If Campbell's around, maybe he starts until Shanahan feels the rookie is ready to play. This assumes Campbell beats out Todd Collins and Colt Brennan. The team's refusal to start Todd Collins in 2009 might suggest that Shanahan didn't favor Collins either. Paying CB to rehab might lead to a contest between CB and the rookie for the starting job, with Jason Campbell in the mix as insurance. If we draft Bradford (rehabbing from injury), that insurance becomes more important. Campbell doesn't play like a Shanahan QB. That's not a coachable quality, IMO. But, like Patrick Ramsey at the Gibbs II transition, he's available. Probably we tender him, and later trade him, when Shanahan is satisfied that he's got two QBs ready to play. Everyone always underestimates Todd Collins. He's the longest shot coming in, but if he gets a contract and an invitation to training camp, he might start Game 1. He'll adapt to Shanahan the fastest, and so is the safe choice not to embarrass Shanahan starting the year. Colt Brennan blows hot and cold, and who knows which Colt will show up next camp. A hot camp puts him ahead. It's hard to see any scenario where Campbell beats out CB and TC learning a new system under a coach who demands an attacking QB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
33 Posted December 21, 2009 Share Posted December 21, 2009 All that roster assumption, AFC, assumes that Vinny was in on this too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atlanta Skins Fan Posted December 21, 2009 Author Share Posted December 21, 2009 All that roster assumption, AFC, assumes that Vinny was in on this too. Just because you're in on the planning of one whacking, doesn't mean you're not the next to be whacked. In fact, the best guy to do the first whacking is the one you plan to do next. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[[ghost]] Posted December 21, 2009 Share Posted December 21, 2009 I'm convinced. Consider me on the Shanahan bandwagon. Although I still wouldn't be too upset with Gruden if he got Tebow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
33 Posted December 21, 2009 Share Posted December 21, 2009 Just because you're in on the planning of one whacking, doesn't mean you're not the next to be whacked. In fact, the best guy to do the first whacking is the one you plan to do next. That's a fair response. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Springfield Posted December 21, 2009 Share Posted December 21, 2009 It's hard to see any scenario where Campbell beats out CB and TC learning a new system under a coach who demands an attacking QB. Very fair assessment. Didn't want to quote it all but it does make a whole lot of sense. It does seem like Campbell is finally adapting to the offense though. Doesn't Shanny run a version of the WCO? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enter Apotheosis Posted December 21, 2009 Share Posted December 21, 2009 Best years clearly with Elway Bold statement Holmgren's best years were with Favre, Belichick's with Brady, Noll's with Bradshaw, Lombardi's with Starr, Walsh's with Montana, etc. (Okay that last one isn't really fair but you get the point...) ];7134166']I'm convinced. Consider me on the Shanahan bandwagon. Although I still wouldn't be too upset with Gruden if he got Tebow. I might actually cry if we get Gruden and Tebow. That is my nightmare scenario. Doesn't Shanny run a version of the WCO? Yes, albeit a more run-oriented version. He was an OC under Seifert, I believe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Springfield Posted December 21, 2009 Share Posted December 21, 2009 I might actually cry if we get Gruden and Tebow. That is my nightmare scenario. Yeah, not feeling Tebow at all. Not one bit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarrellsMyHero28 Posted December 21, 2009 Share Posted December 21, 2009 Yeah, not feeling Tebow at all. Not one bit. If we get Tebow, then clearly this franchise has made no improvement from the Ceratto era. Tebow will never be a quality, decent, or even game-managing type QB in the NFL if you ask me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redskins55 Posted December 21, 2009 Share Posted December 21, 2009 Whoever plays QB for Shanahan will be playing at their career best.Here is your money shot for Mike Shanahan: Mike Shanahan turns turds into gold. Give him a quality QB, he delivers a Hall of Fame QB and Super Bowl wins. This is not hype or potential. This is his record, from 1995 - 2008. Mike Shanahan is a machine that produces excellence. Now give him quality he never had in Denver. Give him a great defense, retain Scott Campbell as personnel director, and spend Dan Snyder's money with the discipline that Bruce Allen will bring. If Scott Campbell is retained and Mike Shanahan is the coach, bet the house on the Redskins. Great Stat! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Full Monty Posted December 21, 2009 Share Posted December 21, 2009 If Scott Campbell is retained and Mike Shanahan is the coach, bet the house on the Redskins. Excellent thread, as always ASF. But let me amend your premises for betting the house on the Redskins: If Scott Campbell is retained and Mike Shanahan is the coach, and Bob Slowik is not the defensive coordinator, bet the house on the Redskins. The fear on my part is that Shanahan will want personnel men from his time in Denver to supplant Scott Campbell and his good friend Slowik to run our defense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oldfan Posted December 21, 2009 Share Posted December 21, 2009 Shanahan would be perfect as the OC in Chicago. He achieved above-average success in Denver because of two factors no longer in play -- Elway and the zone-blocking innovation of Alex Gibbs which had defenses on its heels when introduced. He's a retread, almost sure to be mediocre. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#1njskinsfan Posted December 21, 2009 Share Posted December 21, 2009 bravo!Question is, who's behind center for the shanaskins next year? cb5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sandman69 Posted December 21, 2009 Share Posted December 21, 2009 The distribution is very interesting. He favored offense slightly by number of picks, but used 7 first-round picks on defense, compared to 5 on offense. He also spent 3 first-round picks on LBs, but never drafted DT higher than 3rd round. This is a long-term strategic mistake IMO, and may help to explain some softness in Bronco defense. On offense, he picked 16 WRs and 14 RBs, but never drafted RB higher than the second round. He picked more centers than guards, and generally ignored TE. His first-rounders on offense emphasized tackle, WR and QB. Factoring existing Redskin strengths/weaknesses, I project that Shanahan would make the following draft need requests for the first two drafts: Round 1: QB, T Round 2: RB, DB Round 3: C, LB Round 4: G, DB Luckily we have a GM that does have a good history of drafting in the trenches, and if the "rumors" are right has 100% final say on personnel. Also, Allen has a history of not backing down from a demanding coach in regard to personnel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sandman69 Posted December 21, 2009 Share Posted December 21, 2009 Shanahan would be perfect as the OC in Chicago.He achieved above-average success in Denver because of two factors no longer in play -- Elway and the zone-blocking innovation of Alex Gibbs which had defenses on its heels when introduced. He's a retread, almost sure to be mediocre. Do you have any statistics and trend analysis to back that up? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morneblade Posted December 21, 2009 Share Posted December 21, 2009 Whoever plays QB for Shanahan will be playing at their career best.Here is your money shot for Mike Shanahan: Right now Jason Campbell has a qb Rating of 89.0 (better than anyone on that list). Do you think that Shanahan could get a additional 10 points out of him? If so, is there any reason to even bother going after a qb? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morneblade Posted December 21, 2009 Share Posted December 21, 2009 cb5 For the scout team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[[ghost]] Posted December 21, 2009 Share Posted December 21, 2009 cb5 Is that wishful or realistic thinking? Because I don't thnk Colt will be the starter coming in, though he'll have just as much a chance to start as JC does. If we draft a rookie I think we can say goodbye to Colt being the 2010 starter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
illone Posted December 21, 2009 Share Posted December 21, 2009 And if Shanny DOES come to Washington there is already a decent defense in place that doesn't need much more tweaking. Arguably better than any of the defenses that Denver had over the time span that he coached there. Maybe a OLB and nickel corner away from being elite. The real question becomes who will run the defense....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tr1 Posted December 21, 2009 Share Posted December 21, 2009 And if Shanny DOES come to Washington there is already a decent defense in place that doesn't need much more tweaking.Arguably better than any of the defenses that Denver had over the time span that he coached there. Maybe a OLB and nickel corner away from being elite. The real question becomes who will run the defense....... Right. If Shanny puts his DC in place, there will be an instant revolt on ES. Wait for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hitman21ST Posted December 21, 2009 Share Posted December 21, 2009 And if Shanny DOES come to Washington there is already a decent defense in place that doesn't need much more tweaking.Arguably better than any of the defenses that Denver had over the time span that he coached there. Maybe a OLB and nickel corner away from being elite. The real question becomes who will run the defense....... Wouldn't say OLB or nickel corner so much as free safety. We need a ballhawk (a la Sean Taylor, Ed Reed, Darren Sharper) so we can put L.Ron Landry back at strong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enter Apotheosis Posted December 21, 2009 Share Posted December 21, 2009 Do you have any statistics and trend analysis to back that up? He does not. The best he can possibly do is prove that Shanahan's offense was marginally worse in the decade after John Elway, Terrell Davis, Rod Smith, Ed McAffrey, and Shannon Sharpe all played together. Arguably better than any of the defenses that Denver had over the time span that he coached there. Arguably. He did have some pretty good defenses at various points during his tenure in Denver. The Redskins definitely have the best front four he'll have had the opportunity to work with since Bertrand Berry and Trevor Pryce left Denver in 2003. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wvtbred Posted December 21, 2009 Share Posted December 21, 2009 Nice work and a lot of it thank you! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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