Atlanta Skins Fan Posted December 20, 2009 Share Posted December 20, 2009 Some people have been a little confused about whether Mike Shanahan would be a good hire for the Redskins. The case is not close. Shanahan has proven himself beyond shadow of doubt to be one of the best NFL head coaches and offensive coordinators working in the past 15 years. He is also notable for coaching four different QBs to much higher performance than they achieved under different coaches / teams. He gets too little credit for his offensive achievements, as people forget that Brian Griese, Jake Plummer and Jay Cutler have achieved nothing under other coaches. Shanahan's consistency of offensive excellence is extraordinary, considering he had four different starting quarterbacks at Denver. Shanahan is the perfect head coach for the Redskins, and arguably still has much to prove: specifically, that he can be a Super Bowl winner without Elway as his quarterback. This is not an aging Hall of Fame coach on afterburner: it is a super coach who wants to prove that he is a Hall of Fame coach. This is the job that could put Mike Shanahan in the Hall of Fame. Do not underestimate the total commitment to success he will bring. Hire this man at all costs, without reservation. Edit: table updated to include 1996 and correct 2000 playoff result. (Refresh browser if not visible) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laron Burgundy Posted December 20, 2009 Share Posted December 20, 2009 This was well thought out and I enjoyed the pictures. If he can bring his offense and we maintain our defense I'll be a happy camper. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ciacbw Posted December 20, 2009 Share Posted December 20, 2009 case closed... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hail2skins Posted December 20, 2009 Share Posted December 20, 2009 Good charts ASF. People are going to argue that Shanny didn't win or even get to a Super Bowl after Elway left; however, his record post-Elway seems markedly better than we have had in that time period. I think if you take his post-Elway record, it averages out to like 9-7. Not great, but he did have those three consecutive double-digit win seasons. Not exactly a dynasty, but sometimes you have to walk before you can run. Of course, even though it seems probable that he'll be the next HC, I won't believe it until the presser. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thechalkoutlines Posted December 20, 2009 Share Posted December 20, 2009 Bravo! Question is, who's behind center for the ShanaSkins next year? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HigSkin Posted December 20, 2009 Share Posted December 20, 2009 Great job there ASF! But, I'm still luke warm on the guy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SirClintonPortis Posted December 20, 2009 Share Posted December 20, 2009 The defense will expire in 3 years. Let's hope he wins a Super Bowl before then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tr1 Posted December 20, 2009 Share Posted December 20, 2009 Does that mean the AFCW = NFCE? Raiders, KC, SD and Denver. Giants, Philly, pukes and Skins. I just don't think so. And, if he was so good in Denver, why'd they ever let him go? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Metalhead Posted December 20, 2009 Share Posted December 20, 2009 Great work ASF. I do enjoy your posts as they are an anchor back to reality of sorts. The fact is he has been better than anything we've had in the last decade and he's proven. I'm still wary of his later decision making, as many around here are. If he is indeed the coach, then so be it. I'm just glad that the atmosphere around the franchise is starting to turn for the better, or at least it seems. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enter Apotheosis Posted December 20, 2009 Share Posted December 20, 2009 Does that mean the AFCW = NFCE?Raiders, KC, SD and Denver. Giants, Philly, pukes and Skins. I just don't think so. And, if he was so good in Denver, why'd they ever let him go? It's easy to dismiss the AFC West teams based on the current state of the division with the Chiefs and Raiders in the cellar. You have to remember, however, that all four teams have been dominant at points during the last 10 years and have played in what has been a tougher conference during that period. The Chiefs were great under Vermeil, the Chargers have been dangerous since the arrival of LT and great since the emergence of Brees as a star, the Raiders were great with Gannon, and the Broncos have been in the hunt year in and year out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkinsFTW Posted December 20, 2009 Share Posted December 20, 2009 Does that mean the AFCW = NFCE?Raiders, KC, SD and Denver. Giants, Philly, pukes and Skins. I just don't think so. And, if he was so good in Denver, why'd they ever let him go? Why all the posturing tr1? You and I both know that as soon as he's signed you're onboard 100% and telling everybody who roots for Dallas that he's so much better than anybody they've had there since JJ. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hail2skins Posted December 20, 2009 Share Posted December 20, 2009 The Chiefs were great under Vermeil, the Chargers have been dangerous since the arrival of LT and great since the emergence of Brees as a star, the Raiders were great with Gannon, and the Broncos have been in the hunt year in and year out. Admittedly, though, Shanny's last three-year stretch was at a time when both the Raiders and Chiefs were pretty bad. Having said that, even Cowher had a stretch of several lean years during his Pittsburgh stint and brought the Steelers back to somewhat elite status. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seriously Posted December 20, 2009 Share Posted December 20, 2009 His resume isn't better than Gibbs', I will root for whoever the coach is but this franchise has made take the only rational approach to whatever wo do.. Hope, wait and see... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atlanta Skins Fan Posted December 20, 2009 Author Share Posted December 20, 2009 Bravo!Question is, who's behind center for the ShanaSkins next year? Whoever plays QB for Shanahan will be playing at their career best. Here is your money shot for Mike Shanahan: Mike Shanahan turns turds into gold. Give him a quality QB, he delivers a Hall of Fame QB and Super Bowl wins. This is not hype or potential. This is his record, from 1995 - 2008. Mike Shanahan is a machine that produces excellence. Now give him quality he never had in Denver. Give him a great defense, retain Scott Campbell as personnel director, and spend Dan Snyder's money with the discipline that Bruce Allen will bring. If Scott Campbell is retained and Mike Shanahan is the coach, bet the house on the Redskins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkinsHokieFan Posted December 20, 2009 Share Posted December 20, 2009 I am more impressed ASF can get Excel 07 files on to here Did you turn it into a bitmap, put it online and link it here? Do tell ASF Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atlanta Skins Fan Posted December 20, 2009 Author Share Posted December 20, 2009 I am more impressed ASF can get Excel 07 files on to hereDid you turn it into a bitmap, put it online and link it here? Do tell ASF Just a screencap GIF. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tr1 Posted December 20, 2009 Share Posted December 20, 2009 The last time an AFCW team went to the SB was in 98 and 99...both times were Denver. Since then, none. Oh, and here's Denver's playoff record recently: • Jan. 9, 2005 - AFC Wild Card - Indianapolis 49, Denver 24 • Jan. 4, 2004 - AFC Wild Card - Indianapolis 41, Denver 10 • Dec. 31, 2000 - AFC Wild Card - Baltimore 21, Denver 3 That's three one-and-dones. Considering the love JG got after two playoffs in four years, Shanny might not too pretty after a five year stint here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkinsHokieFan Posted December 20, 2009 Share Posted December 20, 2009 Just a screencap GIF. Beautiful. Thanks for that, as I too often put in different stats in excel and would love to present them This is a terrific presentation on Shanny' QBs and what it bodes for our next QB, Now we may want to take a look at his defenses, which is my one worry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cpt.Chaos47 Posted December 20, 2009 Share Posted December 20, 2009 I like Shanny as our HC, I just hope he leaves our Defensive staff alone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkinsHokieFan Posted December 20, 2009 Share Posted December 20, 2009 The last time an AFCW team went to the SB was in 98 and 99...both times were Denver.Since then, none. Oh, and here's Denver's playoff record recently: • Jan. 9, 2005 - AFC Wild Card - Indianapolis 49, Denver 24 • Jan. 4, 2004 - AFC Wild Card - Indianapolis 41, Denver 10 • Dec. 31, 2000 - AFC Wild Card - Baltimore 21, Denver 3 That's three one-and-dones. Considering the love JG got after two playoffs in four years, Shanny might not too pretty after a five year stint here. Yup and that was in part to his defenses complete inability to slow down the Colts at all. Which is what I think all of us are apprehensive about. During the last 6 years, the D has been at a championship or near championship level. The offense has been the problem. No reason to go back to the 90s when our D was terrible, or the George Edwards era Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Califan007 The Constipated Posted December 20, 2009 Share Posted December 20, 2009 The last time an AFCW team went to the SB was in 98 and 99...both times were Denver.Since then, none. Oh, and here's Denver's playoff record recently: • Jan. 9, 2005 - AFC Wild Card - Indianapolis 49, Denver 24 • Jan. 4, 2004 - AFC Wild Card - Indianapolis 41, Denver 10 • Dec. 31, 2000 - AFC Wild Card - Baltimore 21, Denver 3 That's three one-and-dones. Considering the love JG got after two playoffs in four years, Shanny might not too pretty after a five year stint here. You didn't mention the AFC Championship game that Shanny got his team to in 2005...wouldn't that fall under "recent playoff record"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hail2skins Posted December 20, 2009 Share Posted December 20, 2009 The last time an AFCW team went to the SB was in 98 and 99...both times were Denver.Since then, none. Oh, and here's Denver's playoff record recently: • Jan. 9, 2005 - AFC Wild Card - Indianapolis 49, Denver 24 • Jan. 4, 2004 - AFC Wild Card - Indianapolis 41, Denver 10 • Dec. 31, 2000 - AFC Wild Card - Baltimore 21, Denver 3 That's three one-and-dones. Considering the love JG got after two playoffs in four years, Shanny might not too pretty after a five year stint here. They did make the playoffs also during the '05 season and beat the Pats before falling to the Steelers (because it was materially impossible to say "Jake Plummer in the Super Bowl" truthfully!). I just want this circus of a season of ours to be over so we can definitely find out who the HC is going to be going forward. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seabee1973 Posted December 20, 2009 Share Posted December 20, 2009 The last time an AFCW team went to the SB was in 98 and 99...both times were Denver.Since then, none. Oh, and here's Denver's playoff record recently: • Jan. 9, 2005 - AFC Wild Card - Indianapolis 49, Denver 24 • Jan. 4, 2004 - AFC Wild Card - Indianapolis 41, Denver 10 • Dec. 31, 2000 - AFC Wild Card - Baltimore 21, Denver 3 That's three one-and-dones. Considering the love JG got after two playoffs in four years, Shanny might not too pretty after a five year stint here. Way to leave out the year they went to the AFC Championship game? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tr1 Posted December 20, 2009 Share Posted December 20, 2009 Way to leave out the year they went to the AFC Championship game? My bad. I'm just not liking the implied AFCW to NFCE comparison... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hail2skins Posted December 20, 2009 Share Posted December 20, 2009 My bad.I'm just not liking the implied AFCW to NFCE comparison... Hmmmm.... http://www.extremeskins.com/showthread.php?t=304793 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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