monsta Posted November 16, 2009 Author Share Posted November 16, 2009 He is a loser as a head coach in college...in the NFL, he has THREE super bowl wins as an offensive coordinator, decidely not a loser. As for not wanting a "wide open" offense. Why not? Those offenses score points, those offenses keep you in EVERY game. Those offenses are different from what most of the NFC is playing. Paired with our defensive LINE and an attacking style of defense that wins ball games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gorebd82 Posted November 16, 2009 Share Posted November 16, 2009 I threw this idea out there in the "PFW..Bill Parcells" thread. I think it would be a great opportunity to get a proven OC that knows how to mold an NFL QB. I think it would be great if we could get Weis and Clausen because Clausen will actually have a jump on veterans by having 3 years in the system. I also think Weis could turn Bradford into a great QB if that were to be our draft pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bowhunter Posted November 16, 2009 Share Posted November 16, 2009 Gotta agree, Spurrier proved without doubt the wide open college coaches excel in the NFL. Sign him up now please Mr. Snyder. (or maybe not) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
monsta Posted November 16, 2009 Author Share Posted November 16, 2009 Do you not understand or recognize that weis was a wildly succesful NFL coordinator? Bringing him in to be a coordinator again and JUST to manage the offense is a bad idea? YRB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skinsfan1523 Posted November 16, 2009 Share Posted November 16, 2009 Gotta agree, Spurrier proved without doubt the wide open college coaches excel in the NFL. Sign him up now please Mr. Snyder.(or maybe not) Even though I'm not sure about Weis, comparing him to spurrier is not the same. Spurrier had no clue about how the NFL worked, Weis has already been in and been relatively successful in the NFL. When spurrier first got here Marvin Lewis had to show him how to run an NFL style practice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bowhunter Posted November 16, 2009 Share Posted November 16, 2009 Do you not understand or recognize that weis was a wildly succesful NFL coordinator? Bringing him in to be a coordinator again and JUST to manage the offense is a bad idea? YRB OK, I admit that I did not. Perhaps I was a bit too quick on the reply button. Sorry, but I still have nightmares of the Spurrier years. Tell me more Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
d56 Posted November 16, 2009 Share Posted November 16, 2009 I'm a huge ND fan. If you complain about Zorn and his play calling you don't want Weis. His play calling this year has sucked. It seems like it has gotten worse each game. Everyone on here would be making the same comments about how horrible the play calling is with him if he came here. Clausen is a good QB just not very mobile. Without key pick ups on the O-line he would not survive a season in the NFL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lombardi's_kid_brother Posted November 16, 2009 Share Posted November 16, 2009 If that is who the next coahc wants...there you go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oldskool Posted November 16, 2009 Share Posted November 16, 2009 Uh no. Weiss isn't and never was that great of a coach. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
monsta Posted November 16, 2009 Author Share Posted November 16, 2009 So I gotta know, what do you consider great from a COORDINATOR stand point? Who is a great offensive coordinator in your book? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oliphant Posted November 16, 2009 Share Posted November 16, 2009 NO NO NO. PLease do not put Clausen into this. I do not like Clausen as the QB. Notre Dame has a history of POS qb's who look good in school but are TERRIBLE in the pros. No thanks on Clausen!!!! Yeah I know. Especially Montana and Theismann. They only went to six Super Bowls and won five rings between them. And whoever said Powlus was supposed to be a some stud NFL player? Beano Cooke dubbed him as a future two-time Heisman winner (very unfairly before he even took a college snap). But other then Beano, I don't remember anyone drooling over Powlus beyond his senior year of high school. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
monsta Posted November 16, 2009 Author Share Posted November 16, 2009 Montana and theismann havent won a superbowl since when? I guess i shoulda clarified and said RECENT Qbs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MartinC Posted November 16, 2009 Share Posted November 16, 2009 So I gotta know, what do you consider great from a COORDINATOR stand point? Who is a great offensive coordinator in your book? Look sometimes our fan base is as bad/impatient as our ownership. You don't start hiring coordinators before you appoint a Head Coach. More over you dont appoint a Head Coach until you have a genuine NFL GM. The only jobs Dan has this offseason are to fire Vinny, appoint a real GM and tell him to go fix things and let him know how big the cheques should be. The GM hires a Head Coach and together they assemble a coaching staff and roster to fit the sytem the coach wants to run on both sides of the ball. It's not complicated though a lot easier to say than do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dead Money Posted November 16, 2009 Share Posted November 16, 2009 Sorry OP... you lost me at calling Gruden a "Defensive Minded Coach" :doh: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Water Boy Posted November 16, 2009 Share Posted November 16, 2009 So with a likely new regime coming into the DC area next year, what about Charlie Weis as the offensive coordinator? Hire a defensive HC like Gruden/Zimmer, a real GM (who is number 2 in baltimore/new england?), and Weis as offensive coordinator if he gets fired from Notre Dame.I think this could work big time. Bringing that wide open offense to the NFC would be a departure from the norm, especially in the east. And that attacking defense that zimmer/gruden had. One problem. Weis does not know the other teams Def. Signs anymore.:laugh: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gatorskin77 Posted November 16, 2009 Share Posted November 16, 2009 Yeah you do know that Gruden is an offensive coach right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
monsta Posted November 16, 2009 Author Share Posted November 16, 2009 Sorry OP... you lost me at calling Gruden a "Defensive Minded Coach" :doh: By defensive minded i mean understands that DEFENSE wins championships and wont mind putting in an attacking style defense. Gruden had a ton of offensive success with the raiders but didnt win a championship until he got with Tampa and was held together, primarily, by a STRONG defense. Even his offensive stars in Oakland were dominated by that defense in the superbowl. There are Offensive coaches who happen to be defensive minded...Bill belichick comes to mind immediately. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
monsta Posted November 16, 2009 Author Share Posted November 16, 2009 One problem. Weis does not know the other teams Def. Signs anymore.:laugh: hahah, True that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gatorskin77 Posted November 16, 2009 Share Posted November 16, 2009 By defensive minded i mean understands that DEFENSE wins championships and wont mind putting in an attacking style defense. Gruden had a ton of offensive success with the raiders but didnt win a championship until he got with Tampa and was held together, primarily, by a STRONG defense. Even his offensive stars in Oakland were dominated by that defense in the superbowl. There are Offensive coaches who happen to be defensive minded...Bill belichick comes to mind immediately. The op said hire a defensive coach like gruden/zimmer So with a likely new regime coming into the DC area next year, what about Charlie Weis as the offensive coordinator? Hire a defensive HC like Gruden/Zimmer, a real GM (who is number 2 in baltimore/new england?), and Weis as offensive coordinator if he gets fired from Notre Dame.I think this could work big time. Bringing that wide open offense to the NFC would be a departure from the norm, especially in the east. And that attacking defense that zimmer/gruden had. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
holmester Posted November 16, 2009 Share Posted November 16, 2009 I suggested this in another thread. I think it only happens if we bring in Parcells as GM. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MartinC Posted November 16, 2009 Share Posted November 16, 2009 There are Offensive coaches who happen to be defensive minded...Bill belichick comes to mind immediately. When in hole stop digging. First you have Gruden as a defensive minded coach now you have Belicheck as an offensive guru. Really? Gruden has never called a defensive play in his life - he is a WCO offensive disciple who was on Holmgrens staff at Green Bay and is totally an offensive guy. His contribution to Tampas defense was shouting 'stop them' on 3rd down. Meanwhile Bill Belicheck is a totally defensive focused coach - he was the DC under Bill Parcells at the Giants and his contribution to the Patriots offense is patting Tom Brady on his back when he jogs off after throwing a TD. That and going for it on 4th and two on his own 28 yard line when leading by 6 and with about 4 minutes to go ...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
monsta Posted November 16, 2009 Author Share Posted November 16, 2009 When in hole stop digging.First you have Gruden as a defensive minded coach now you have Belicheck as an offensive guru. Really? Gruden has never called a defensive play in his life - he is a WCO offensive disciple who was on Holmgrens staff at Green Bay and is totally an offensive guy. His contribution to Tampas defense was shouting 'stop them' on 3rd down. Meanwhile Bill Belicheck is a totally defensive focused coach - he was the DC under Bill Parcells at the Giants and his contribution to the Patriots offense is patting Tom Brady on his back when he jogs off after throwing a TD. That and going for it on 4th and two on his own 28 yard line when leading by 6 and with about 4 minutes to go ...... **** I meant Brian Billick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MartinC Posted November 16, 2009 Share Posted November 16, 2009 **** I meant Brian Billick I've done that kind of thing many times as well - sometime I type faster than I think! Even so I don't think Brian Billick had that much to do with the Ravens defense - he had Marvin Lewis as his DC when they made the Super Bowl run as I recall. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
monsta Posted November 16, 2009 Author Share Posted November 16, 2009 Indeed he did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sjinhan Posted November 16, 2009 Share Posted November 16, 2009 If we dont fire Zorn then lets keep the coaching staff together and have some continuity... if we do fire Zorn then lets give the new head coach an opportunity of selecting his OC this time... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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