wildbill1952 Posted October 14, 2009 Share Posted October 14, 2009 Until somebody convinces me otherwise, I'll believe Vinny does Snyder's bidding. When Vinny's mouth moves, it's Snyder talking. When the Skins draft another name player, or go after a QB while undercutting their current QB, it's Snyder putting everything in motion. In the draft, Vinny announces Dan's picks. When Dan gets bored (usually second day) Vinny picks. The sad thing is Snyder thinks he's building a winner and it's (coaches, players, anybody but him) that's causing the Skins to lose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GibbsFactor Posted October 14, 2009 Share Posted October 14, 2009 All I know is that since I've been alive we've only had one coach with NFL head coaching experience before starting this job. He lasted a year going 8-8, the year after the previous head coach was fired in season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gibbs Hog Heaven Posted October 14, 2009 Share Posted October 14, 2009 I wish we could get marty again. He was the only coach in the last 15 years to have us going in the right direction. I guess two winning season's in four years, both with playoff appearances, as opposed to a whopping three in eleven and one post-season outing in the time since he first left and came back; not to mention totally overhauling the roster in to a way better one than he inherited, and making this franchise respected opponents again had Gibbs going in the wrong direction huh? :doh: Seriously, though it didn't end with the Championship he and we so craved, though not for the want of trying and beyond the call hard work from the man, Coach' second go around gets way too easily dissed on here by people who should know a LOT better. That man DESERVES a lot better from this fan base for all the sacrifices he made for his life love outside of his faith and family, the Washington Redskins, to come back at 63 and work his tail off for us when he should of been home with the family relaxing. Hail. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oldskool Posted October 14, 2009 Share Posted October 14, 2009 Signing Gruden or Shanahan or Cowher right now is just the excuse Dan needs to make a big name splash that'll get fans excited again, without having to really change anything. Think first Snyder, and stop making huge team related descisions out of desperation. Do what is best for the team in the long term, not what gives you a 1% better chance of saving a season and squeezing a few extra bucks out of the fanbase. So under your train of thought, we should not hire a "big name" (read: successful) HC. So, who's left? Want to scour other teams coaching staffs for a gem? Didn't we just do that with Zorn? How about looking to the college coaches for one? Oh, wait that was Spurrier. Hiring an experienced coach is step one of a rebuilding plan but step two is getting rid of Vincenzo and getting Dannyboy's pudgy fingers out of the decision making. No big name coach that Dannyboy covets is going to want to come into this franchise with the way the FO is configured at present. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bih Posted October 14, 2009 Share Posted October 14, 2009 Head coaches are not the problem and can't be until Snyder and Vinnie are out of the picture. I was just about to post this. it dont matter who you bring here, as long as those two retards are running the show it will be nothing more than their puppet playground! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taylor 36 Posted October 14, 2009 Share Posted October 14, 2009 All I know is that since I've been alive we've only had one coach with NFL head coaching experience before starting this job. He lasted a year going 8-8, the year after the previous head coach was fired in season. What happened to the guy in your moniker? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluecrab Posted October 14, 2009 Share Posted October 14, 2009 That will never happen because it would mean Danny would have to get rid of Vinny again. Unfortunately for fans and the team, Vinny is not going anywhere.Still, if we can get a Head Coach who is capable of adapting to player's strengths, instead of a coach who is all about his own scheme, we might find a measure of success. Success will forever elude this team under the current ownership and no one coach will make any difference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedlightG20 Posted October 14, 2009 Share Posted October 14, 2009 I think the difference is, this time around, that the big name coaches would want a change in the FO structure. At least, I hope they do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perky72 Posted October 14, 2009 Share Posted October 14, 2009 Success will forever elude this team under the current ownership and no one coach will make any difference. That's hyperbole. The Redskins would win more games with a reincarnated Vince Lombardi than they would a six-year old whose only coaching experience is Madden. Once you agree with that extreme, you should agree that it's just as true with lesser coaching skill difference. Would the team do better with Belichik instead of Zorn? I'd think yes. There are certainly better coaches than Zorn, who would win more games for us. The only questions are who is most likely better, and whether that person wants to coach for us. Even with Danny and Vinnie, coaching does make a difference. To the OP, we've tried every coaching background except for the extremely young fresh buck. I can't think of any available like that, but Gruden is still pretty darn young. Only 9 years older than Tomlin. So he covers the young(ish), he's probably hungry to still prove himself, so may not be in it for the paycheck, and he even covers the experienced winner type of coach. He's also experienced with doing pretty well despite terrible support from his owner. At this point I'd rather have an experienced winner than another Zorn-type reach. (such as Russ Grimm, all due respect) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oldskool Posted October 14, 2009 Share Posted October 14, 2009 REMEMBER: Coaching football is a young man's game. Teams listed in order of current record Denver Broncos Josh McDaniels age 33 Indianapolis Colts Jim Caldwell age 54 Minnesota Vikings Brad Childress age 53 New Orleans Saints Sean Payton age 45 New York Giants Tom Coughlin age 63 Cincinnati Bengals Marvin Lewis age 51 Atlanta Falcons Mike Smith age 50 Chicago Bears Lovie Smith age 51 Philadelphia Eagles Andy Reid age 51 Baltimore Ravens Jim Harbaugh age 47 Dallas Cowboys Wade Phillips age 62 New England Patriots Bill Belichick age 57 New York Jets Rex Ryan age 46 Pittsburgh Steelers Mike Tomlin 37 San Francisco 49ers Mike Singletary age 51 Arizona Cardinals Ken Whisenhunt age 47 Green Bay Packers Mike McCarthy age 49 San Diego Chargers Norv Turner age 57 Houston Texans Gary Kubiak age 48 Jacksonville Jaguars Jack Del Rio age 46 Miami Dolphins Tony Sparano age 48 Seattle Seahawks Jim Mora Jr. age 47 Washington Redskins Jim Zorn age 57 Carolina Panthers John Fox age 54 Buffalo Bills Dick Jauron age 59 Cleveland Browns Eric mangini age 38 Detroit Lions Jim Schwartz age 43 Oakland Raiders Tom Cable age 44 Kansas City Chiefs Todd Haley age 42 St. Louis Rams Steve Julio Spagnuolo age 49 Tampa Bay Buccaneers Raheem Morris age 33 Tennessee Titans Jeff Fisher age 51 Average age is 43.375 years. Take the average age of coaches with winning records and its 50.06 years Obviously guys like Tomlin and McDaniels skewe the numbers and are the exception not the rule. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhodus333 Posted October 14, 2009 Author Share Posted October 14, 2009 I think the difference is, this time around, that the big name coaches would want a change in the FO structure.At least, I hope they do. That's seems like the problem though. Dan wants to hire someone who lets him keep doing what he does, which ultimatley prevents the coach from having any chance of success Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GibbsFactor Posted October 14, 2009 Share Posted October 14, 2009 What happened to the guy in your moniker? I suppose I could have counted Gibbs II, but that wasn't the normal hiring. Fact is, we've brought in one guy with Head Coaching experience besides Gibbs in my 30 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lombardi's_kid_brother Posted October 14, 2009 Share Posted October 14, 2009 Here is the problem. I think the Zorn, Spurrier, and Norv sagas have taught us that weak-willed coaches will get eaten alive by the Danny. Of course, the Marty saga taught us that strong-willed coaches will drive the Danny insane and eventually write their own ticket out of town. Gibbs, of course, was like having a picture of Abe Lincoln suddenly come to life and become president. I don't think you can make any judgment off of those four years. So, it seems that the only coach who can co-exist with Danny is either Gibbs or the ghost of George Allen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMarionBarberHitman Posted October 14, 2009 Share Posted October 14, 2009 I personally hope we hire bryan schottemheimer (SP?) or Chuckie either of those hires would be great for us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMarionBarberHitman Posted October 14, 2009 Share Posted October 14, 2009 ZORNS 57 holy jesus, he looks young for his age, guess that what acting honest and staying medium does to you:D i love using that phrase whenever i can. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theTruthTeller Posted October 14, 2009 Share Posted October 14, 2009 1) You need a coach with a big name and a big ego because they will insist on changes in the FO and be able to get them as part of the deal. Russ Grimm won't be able to demand changes, he'll be to thrilled with getting his dream job. 2) Holmgren, Gruden and Shanahan aren't looking for paydays. Shanahan got $21M from Denver to not coach - he'd effectively be coaching his next job for free. Gruden has a monday night gig that pays in the millions - with no grief. Holmgren is loaded as well. If they take the job, it will be because they want to prove they can do it twice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BornToHail Posted October 14, 2009 Share Posted October 14, 2009 While I agree that many coaches wouldn't want to work for our front office (see: Cowher, Bill), don't forget there are many coaches out there that have a fire in their belly to turn around a hopeless team - what better trophy to wave around? And that's exactly the kind of spirit we need here. Sadly, that's not the sort of person the FO ever looks for... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TotalRecall Posted October 14, 2009 Share Posted October 14, 2009 Average age is 43.375 years.Take the average age of coaches with winning records and its 50.06 years Obviously guys like Tomlin and McDaniels skewe the numbers and are the exception not the rule. In the 40s is fine. Early 50s is not bad. But, I wouldn't hire a "new" NFL head coach in his 60s or late 50s...sorry. BTW, the 6 coaches older than 55 years old (Coughlin, Phillips, Jauron, Belichick, Turner, and Zorn (he's 56, not 57)) have a current combined record of 16-13. That's not a big winning endorsement. Hard to believe Zorn is 56; he seems younger. And Singletary seems younger than 51 years old. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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