Zhouse Posted September 28, 2009 Share Posted September 28, 2009 Sorry if this has been discussed. I watched this game at a bar without any volume so I couldn't hear what was going on. But I think Zorn made a horrible decision on this particular play. During the Lions' TD drive in the first quarter, they were at our 33 yard line and it was 3rd &3. Stafford's pass was incomplete but there was also an offensive pass interference call. The ref seemed to be looking towards our sideline asking "are you declining the penalty," but to my surprise the penalty was enforced making it 3rd &13. That gave the Lions another opportunity and as we all know, that drive led to their first TD. What was Zorn thinking? Was he trying to push the Lions out of field goal position? Wouldn't you force the Lions make a 50 yarder rather than giving them another down? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SirClintonPortis Posted September 28, 2009 Share Posted September 28, 2009 He wanted to keep the score even, thought the D would hold, and then we know everything that happened afterwards. D has probably lost his trust. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stat2883 Posted September 28, 2009 Share Posted September 28, 2009 Yes he was pushing them out of FG range assuming the D would do their job. Brian Billick was one of the announcers of the game and actually sided with Zorn on that call, but also said that if it backfires, it will be unfairly questioned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saqs Posted September 28, 2009 Share Posted September 28, 2009 Hindsight is 20/20. I would have taken the penalty too. You'd think our D wouldnt allow a friggin 99 yard drive to the Lions. roofle..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RDSKNfaithfull Posted September 28, 2009 Share Posted September 28, 2009 He was thinking we have a great defense that would prevent a 3rd and 13. Unfortunatly he overrated our defense as many of us have been doing. Our secondary is poorly coached. They have all shown talent at certain points but look lost and are not tackling that is a huge problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jwpanic Posted September 28, 2009 Share Posted September 28, 2009 just one on many questionable decisions by zorn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimmySmith Posted September 28, 2009 Share Posted September 28, 2009 Zorn is in a major rut. His players have not been able to back up any of his decisions this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zhouse Posted September 28, 2009 Author Share Posted September 28, 2009 I guess I wouldn't question the call as much if they weren't at the 33 yard line. Also, this is first quarter and the score is 0-0. If he accepts the penalty, the worst thing that could happen (and it did) is a TD. If he declines, the worst that could happen is a 50 yarder for 3 points. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGoodBits Posted September 28, 2009 Share Posted September 28, 2009 I agree it was a bad call. I started a thread on it earlier, which I believe is hanging out on page 3 now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HailGreen28 Posted September 28, 2009 Share Posted September 28, 2009 Sorry if this has been discussed. I watched this game at a bar without any volume so I couldn't hear what was going on. But I think Zorn made a horrible decision on this particular play. During the Lions' TD drive in the first quarter, they were at our 33 yard line and it was 3rd &3. Stafford's pass was incomplete but there was also an offensive pass interference call. The ref seemed to be looking towards our sideline asking "are you declining the penalty," but to my surprise the penalty was enforced making it 3rd &13. That gave the Lions another opportunity and as we all know, that drive led to their first TD. What was Zorn thinking? Was he trying to push the Lions out of field goal position? Wouldn't you force the Lions make a 50 yarder rather than giving them another down? Good call. They were indoors at home, so the FG was makeable. The defense should have stepped up on 3rd and 13. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stat2883 Posted September 28, 2009 Share Posted September 28, 2009 I guess I wouldn't question the call as much if they weren't at the 33 yard line. Also, this is first quarter and the score is 0-0. If he accepts the penalty, the worst thing that could happen (and it did) is a TD. If he declines, the worst that could happen is a 50 yarder for 3 points. I think what it mainly came down to was Zorn felt the chances of Jason Hanson making a 50 yd FG was better than the defense giving up a 1st down following the penalty. I'd tend to agree actually. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DixieFlatline Posted September 28, 2009 Share Posted September 28, 2009 zorn is in a major rut. His players have not been able to back up any of his decisions this year. +1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
21forlyfe Posted September 28, 2009 Share Posted September 28, 2009 Bad CAll! if he hits a 50 yarder and you are down 3 to the Lions big whoop,but if he misses you have regain momentum..But WHy in the **** would you think that this D was going to stop them? Even if they did they punt we go three and out the Lions still have momentum...TOO many things have to go right for you to agree with taking the penalty..for one you have to hope your defense stop them on third down...then you have to recieve a punt that would have gave the Lions great feild position..Then you have to aviod GOING THREE AND OUT..or else the Det keeps the momentum...If you decline and let them try a feild goal the only risk is them making it 50/50 chances...Even if he hits a 50 yarder wich i doubt..3 points wont hold momentum for a long time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skinsfan1523 Posted September 28, 2009 Share Posted September 28, 2009 Well if our Outstanding defense could stop a freakin QB from scrambling for 20 freakin yards, nobody would be questioning this. But as our defense has done so many times, gave up that 3rd and long. God you gotta love redskins football. It's one step forward, 5 steps back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fan since a Fetus Posted September 28, 2009 Share Posted September 28, 2009 Good call. They were indoors at home, so the FG was makeable. The defense should have stepped up on 3rd and 13. I agree, it was a good decision and with the talent we have on defense, they needed to make the stop. I guess in Zorn's case it is a damned if you do and damned if you don't situation. It was one of the few Zorn calls that I agreed with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zhouse Posted September 28, 2009 Author Share Posted September 28, 2009 I think what it mainly came down to was Zorn felt the chances of Jason Hanson making a 50 yd FG was better than the defense giving up a 1st down following the penalty. I'd tend to agree actually. A simple defensive holding penalty would extend the drive. You should avoid giving an offense one more attempt at extending a drive in today's NFL. The Lions started the drive from their own 1, what gave zorn the confidence that they will hold up on that particular play? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SirClintonPortis Posted September 28, 2009 Share Posted September 28, 2009 A simple defensive holding penalty would extend the drive. You should avoid giving an offense one more attempt at extending a drive in today's NFL. The Lions started the drive from their own 1, what gave zorn the confidence that they will hold up on that particular play? All the talent they had...on paper. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zhouse Posted September 28, 2009 Author Share Posted September 28, 2009 Good call. They were indoors at home, so the FG was makeable. The defense should have stepped up on 3rd and 13. Just like 3rd and 13 is convert-able. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LetThePointsSoar Posted September 28, 2009 Share Posted September 28, 2009 A simple defensive holding penalty would extend the drive. You should avoid giving an offense one more attempt at extending a drive in today's NFL. The Lions started the drive from their own 1, what gave zorn the confidence that they will hold up on that particular play? +5 ...and I'm sure it's already been said today a million times, but take those 4 points away and add in 3 for a field goal on 4th and 1...and it's 17-15 Skins win... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zhouse Posted September 28, 2009 Author Share Posted September 28, 2009 All the talent they had...on paper. It's 3rd and 13!!! Since when did that become impossible to convert...on any defense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
da#1skinsfan Posted September 28, 2009 Share Posted September 28, 2009 Good call. They were indoors at home, so the FG was makeable. The defense should have stepped up on 3rd and 13. No doubt, totally agreed. You have to EXPECT your defense to stop a 3rd and 13. Just like you EXPECT your offense to get 1 yard, and if they dont, you EXPECT your defense to not allow a 99 yd TD drive. The players failed, period. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Destino Posted September 28, 2009 Share Posted September 28, 2009 Pushing them out of field goal range is a bad decision? On what planet is that a bad decision? You know what was a bad decision, not pressuring a rookie QB on an obvious passing down. Force him onto a hot route making it almost impossible to gain 13 yards even if you do get a completion. If our defensive coordinator wasn't such a gutless coward we'd be in much better shape. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
21forlyfe Posted September 28, 2009 Share Posted September 28, 2009 A simple defensive holding penalty would extend the drive. You should avoid giving an offense one more attempt at extending a drive in today's NFL. The Lions started the drive from their own 1, what gave zorn the confidence that they will hold up on that particular play? Thank you! no coach other than Corn would have done that :doh: Never give anyone 2 chances the results arent that good ...just look at penalty's..when ever a defense makes a good play but it is stop by a dumb flag...the very next play the team usually scores or gets the first down no matter what team is playing ..its the Nfl even the Redskins might do somthing positive with two chances:( Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HA1LV1CT0RY Posted September 28, 2009 Share Posted September 28, 2009 +5...and I'm sure it's already been said today a million times, but take those 4 points away and add in 3 for a field goal on 4th and 1...and it's 17-15 Skins win... Coulda shoulda woulda Like it's been said, hindsight's 20/20, hypothetical situations are easy to map out after the fact. It was a good move, our D isnt playing up to what it should be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
21forlyfe Posted September 28, 2009 Share Posted September 28, 2009 Pushing them out of field goal range is a bad decision? On what planet is that a bad decision?You know what was a bad decision, not pressuring a rookie QB on an obvious passing down. Force him onto a hot route making it almost impossible to gain 13 yards even if you do get a completion. If our defensive coordinator wasn't such a gutless coward we'd be in much better shape. The planet when they come right down and score...Dumbass:chair: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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