method man Posted March 1, 2009 Share Posted March 1, 2009 Guys, we still have a gaping hole at this spot. What are some of the options out there besides Daniels and Evans? Personally, it would annoy me if we used a top pick on this position, because of the lack of playmaking ability that usually comes out of this spot? I know that Jovan Haye is a DT and a FA. Is it possible we could move him over to DE in a 4-3 scheme as he is 285 and his game is based on quickness? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recent Vintage Posted March 1, 2009 Share Posted March 1, 2009 Trade out of 13 spot. Pick up Tyson Jackson. Voila. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dswerdlw Posted March 1, 2009 Share Posted March 1, 2009 We should focus on OT and OLB in the 1st and 3rd rounds of the draft. This year, we need to give JT a chance at DE with P. Daniels or D. Evans backing him up, and to play against the run. I imagine Evans will be signed elsewhere, so it will probably be Daniels. If we trade down or see a fine prospect at DE in later rounds, we should jump on it. Unfortunately, there are few DE prospects this year with the size and talent that we need. So, I see us going for a DE next year. Maybe Haynesworth will make one of our reserves (Wilson, Jackson, Buzbee) look real good. Our draft this year probably should go as follows: 1. Michael Oher or Andre Smith 3. Tyrone McKenzie or Marcus Freeman, OLBs 5. A.Q. Shipley, C 6. Bruce Johnson, CB, Miami Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
method man Posted March 1, 2009 Author Share Posted March 1, 2009 Trade out of 13 spot.Pick up Tyson Jackson. Voila. No matter how good he is at stopping the run, I just can't fathom drafting a guy who will get only 3-4 sacks per year in the first round. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDawg Posted March 1, 2009 Share Posted March 1, 2009 No matter how good he is at stopping the run, I just can't fathom drafting a guy who will get only 3-4 sacks per year in the first round. It's not about how many sacks he gets. It's about how many sacks the team gets. A big, strong end would help enable the other end (Carter or Taylor) to get to the QB more often. It would also free Haynesworth up to make a play in the backfield due to the fact they'd have to be aware of that end as well and can't double team Haynesworth at all times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Mac Patty Wack Posted March 1, 2009 Share Posted March 1, 2009 Brian Orakpo baby! He's a Vernon Gholston who can actually play football, not just lift and run. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
method man Posted March 1, 2009 Author Share Posted March 1, 2009 Brian Orakpo baby! He's a Vernon Gholston who can actually play football, not just lift and run. Orapko is not big enough. Anyway, I think if we are going to take one of those DE/OLB types, I'd rather trade down and take Connor Barwin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDawg Posted March 1, 2009 Share Posted March 1, 2009 Brian Orakpo baby! He's a Vernon Gholston who can actually play football, not just lift and run. Really good chance that Orakpo won't be there. He'd be a good fit for us as a pass rush specialist. Until he could bulk up, I wouldn't want him playing much DE, but he could on occasion to spell Taylor or Carter. I like Orakpo much better now that we have Haynesworth, but if we go DE, I'd like a bigger, stronger DE. That said, I think we need to go RT in the draft at this point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
method man Posted March 1, 2009 Author Share Posted March 1, 2009 I guess one guy we could get in the 3rd is Ricky Jean Francois from LSU Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IronMike Posted March 1, 2009 Share Posted March 1, 2009 We need someone who is a run-stopper; who will stay at home and cover for Haynesworth when he is free-lancing. Perhaps we can re-sign Daniels, or another veteran DE for meeting these responsibilities. Yes, it would be nice if he can pressure the QB and pick up a few sacks when teams overload to A.H. But to play Blache's defense, we need to stop the run first. Remember when the Cowboys ran all over us at the end of the game here at FedEx? HTTR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[[ghost]] Posted March 1, 2009 Share Posted March 1, 2009 Brian Orakpo baby! He's a Vernon Gholston who can actually play football, not just lift and run. Orakpo was an even bigger workout warrior than Gholston. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paloffs Posted March 1, 2009 Share Posted March 1, 2009 Whaaaat? Evans stepped in and did well, IMO. I haven't seen enough of Blades to make a comment. Jansen is done and Heyer is a backup still. We need a new kicker and punter as far as I'm concerned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDawg Posted March 1, 2009 Share Posted March 1, 2009 Evans is a FA, for the record. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CBass1724 Posted March 1, 2009 Share Posted March 1, 2009 There is this guy named Jason Taylor who should be back to his old form this season after battling some injuries. Maybe we should pick him up! Oh wait... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. S Posted March 1, 2009 Share Posted March 1, 2009 Trade out of 13 spot.Pick up Tyson Jackson. Voila. Agreed. With strong players like him and Haynesworth on the line, that definitely frees up Griffin and Carter for sacks. Plus, Tyson can play inside as well in our scheme, so that puts less pressure on Taylor (if we don't cut him). Haynesworth's role was to allow his teammates to make sacks as well, and they did. Granted hi himself got a nice amoount himself, I wouldn't automatically assume those similar sack totals will translate over here. Brian Orakpo baby! He's a Vernon Gholston who can actually play football, not just lift and run. really? How? His name pretty much popped out during the combine as well. People knew of him like they did of Gholston. Both are tremendous athletes, but I'd rather we stop looking into combine and pre-draft warriors. Jerod Mayo did improve his stock at the combine, but he also had a solid career at UT to back it up. Also, trading down and landing Jackson could also land us one of the 5-7 ranked tackles like Britton or Beatty or Loadholt. It also allows us to take a LB in the 3rd round, and there will definitely be viable talent for LB in the third round, especially when you got Haynesworth and Fletcher on your team, and potentially Tyson Jackson. If we could then somehow swing Shipley in the 5th or 4th, that'd be even better. Three younger and new starters on the o-line next year would be pretty sweet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TWINSKINS Posted March 1, 2009 Share Posted March 1, 2009 No matter how good he is at stopping the run, I just can't fathom drafting a guy who will get only 3-4 sacks per year in the first round. In 2006 tyson jackson put up 10 sacks. Put him on a talented line and he could be very useful despite his slowish speed. True, he has only managed approx 4 sacks the last couple of years but if the skins scout him they need to find out what happened in 2006. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skinfan2k Posted March 1, 2009 Share Posted March 1, 2009 Tyson Jackson is a younger Phillip Daniels. He would be good for our team Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDawg Posted March 1, 2009 Share Posted March 1, 2009 Jackson would be great for our team. He's been the guy I've wanted all along. I'd still like to see him on the team, but I think our needs shift to RT. If we can trade down, snag him and get a guy like Loadholt with a pick acquired from the trade down, I'd sitll be down for getting him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AKM311 Posted March 1, 2009 Share Posted March 1, 2009 If we need a starter at LDE, I do not know why Taylor is on our roster. That means neither Carter or him can man that spot and neither can play LB. That is a recipe for disastor. We need to cut our losses with Taylor and get a better player there. Unless, we beef up our LBs in the draft, but then we don't improve the o-line. We don't have picks nor cap space to fix everything with the contracts to Hall/Haynesworth. So now our only options is to get either Evans or Daniels back and split the time with Taylor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jivelikenice Posted March 1, 2009 Share Posted March 1, 2009 We need to give Taylor The RE spot and put Carter on the left side...... I wouldn't be surprised to see Daniels re-signed for the minimum and lets not forget about Rob Jackson..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TWINSKINS Posted March 1, 2009 Share Posted March 1, 2009 Taylor isn't really an every down left d.e., we found that out last year. Haynesworth, you know can play some d.e. Move our linemen around,cause maximum disruption,get the best out of Taylor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hubbs Posted March 1, 2009 Share Posted March 1, 2009 This is making me really wish that Erasmus James had worked out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bu7ch Posted March 1, 2009 Share Posted March 1, 2009 Orapko is not big enough. Anyway, I think if we are going to take one of those DE/OLB types, I'd rather trade down and take Connor Barwin. I'd love to see Barwin in B&G. I'm a bit biased but he's done well as a TE and first year DE. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
method man Posted March 1, 2009 Author Share Posted March 1, 2009 Agreed. With strong players like him and Haynesworth on the line, that definitely frees up Griffin and Carter for sacks. Plus, Tyson can play inside as well in our scheme, so that puts less pressure on Taylor (if we don't cut him).Haynesworth's role was to allow his teammates to make sacks as well, and they did. Granted hi himself got a nice amoount himself, I wouldn't automatically assume those similar sack totals will translate over here. really? How? His name pretty much popped out during the combine as well. People knew of him like they did of Gholston. Both are tremendous athletes, but I'd rather we stop looking into combine and pre-draft warriors. Jerod Mayo did improve his stock at the combine, but he also had a solid career at UT to back it up. Also, trading down and landing Jackson could also land us one of the 5-7 ranked tackles like Britton or Beatty or Loadholt. It also allows us to take a LB in the 3rd round, and there will definitely be viable talent for LB in the third round, especially when you got Haynesworth and Fletcher on your team, and potentially Tyson Jackson. If we could then somehow swing Shipley in the 5th or 4th, that'd be even better. Three younger and new starters on the o-line next year would be pretty sweet. I think I'd rather have Jarron Gilbert over Tyson Jackson if we are going to go that route and get the big DE. I'm not getting how Jackson helps our other players get sacks. I don't see him as the type of guy to command double teams so he wouldn't be freeing up the other players to make plays. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDawg Posted March 2, 2009 Share Posted March 2, 2009 I think I'd rather have Jarron Gilbert over Tyson Jackson if we are going to go that route and get the big DE. I'm not getting how Jackson helps our other players get sacks. I don't see him as the type of guy to command double teams so he wouldn't be freeing up the other players to make plays. Haynesworth and Jackson could complete destroy the pocket to their side of the line. The QB couldn't go to the side or to the middle because it's occupied. He'd have to roll. Andre Carter for the sack. How do you think he got ten in 2007? Phillip Daniels made it possible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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