addicted Posted January 27, 2009 Share Posted January 27, 2009 The Giants owned us this season, no way we would have beat them in the playoffs. Someone was drinkin last night aparently Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thinking Skins Posted January 27, 2009 Share Posted January 27, 2009 ...The Patriots going from 16-0 to 11-5 is not comparable to the Redskins at all. The Patriots and Colts having consistent winning seasons, multiple playoff appearances, and winning at least one Super Bowl is considered a success and that is what the Redskins should be trying to achieve. If the Redskins organization has a different idea of what "success" is, I'd like to hear it and promptly laugh at how pitiful the team has become. Meanwhile the Giants were 4-12 the prior season and Kurt Warner only started nine games. They were 5-4 when he was benched for Eli Manning. The Redskins at the same point in time were 3-6. The ultimate success is winning the super bowl. Other than that there are different levels of success. Everything doesn't call for blowing things up and starting all over. Even the Colts weren't seen as a successful team until Dungy won one. Until then Manning was being compared to Marino as another great QB who'll never win one. Is that a successful career? Its debatable. I knew somebody'd find an excuse as to why we don't compare to the Giants. So is it better to compare the Zorn to coaches who took over playoff teams? Lets look at the Vikings. In 2005, they went 9-7 Under Mike Tice. Lets look at their 2006 stats. Vikings of 2006 Points: 282 Yards: 4943 Plays: 1025 Yards per play: 4.8 First Downs: 272 Completions: 332 Pass Atts: 540 Pass Yards: 3123 Pass TDs: 13 INTs: 20 Net Yards Per Att: 5.4 Rush Atts: 442 Rush Yards: 1820 Yards per attempt: 4.1 Rush 1st downs: 87 Turnovers: 32 Fumbles lost: 12 First DOwns by Penalty: 25 Redskins of 2008 Points: 265 Yards: 5120 Plays: 1026 Yards per play: 5.0 First Downs: 295 Completions: 318 Pass Atts: 510 Pass Yards: 3025 Pass TDs: 14 INTs: 6 Net Yards Per Att: 5.5 Rush Atts: 478 Rush Yards: 2095 Yards per attempt: 4.4 Rush 1st downs: 109 Turnovers: 18 Fumbles lost: 12 First DOwns by Penalty: 21 THE STATS ARE ALMOST IDENTICAL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Oh yeah, the Vikings were in their first year under Brad Childress (who just took his team to the playoffs this year). The Vikings had a record of 6-10 that year. The Vikings also finished 2-6 after a 4-4 start that year. How did the Vikings do in the next few seasons? They went 8-8 in Brad Childress's second year. They went 10-6 in Brad Childress's third year. Now whats going to be the thing that makes this a bad comparison? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sjinhan Posted January 27, 2009 Share Posted January 27, 2009 Exactly!So basically if our defense was a little worse (and didn't hit so hard), we'd have matched up with the Steelers twice in the past 4 years. And, since Big Ben is playing, we'd have 2 more Lombardis! Now I don't want Vinny to draft DL so we can regress a little bit on D... lol we are definitely on the same page here... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jofizz Posted January 27, 2009 Share Posted January 27, 2009 I think little Johnny got on Daddy's computer without asking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shilsu Posted January 27, 2009 Share Posted January 27, 2009 Oh yeah, the Vikings were in their first year under Brad Childress (who just took his team to the playoffs this year). The Vikings had a record of 6-10 that year. The Vikings also finished 2-6 after a 4-4 start that year. How did the Vikings do in the next few seasons? They went 8-8 in Brad Childress's second year. They went 10-6 in Brad Childress's third year. Now whats going to be the thing that makes this a bad comparison? So now you're saying we should be optimistic because we might be a Brad Childress story. :doh: One thing to note is the Vikings actually know the importance of their offensive and defensive lines. There's something to be said when the Vikings had the #1 rush defense last year, and they realized that their defensive line still needed help so they picked up Jared Allen. Meanwhile, we have posters here who claim our defensive line is fine because they stop the run. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CRobi21 Posted January 27, 2009 Share Posted January 27, 2009 Maybe the paloffs, but not the Super Bowl. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thinking Skins Posted January 27, 2009 Share Posted January 27, 2009 So now you're saying we should be optimistic because we might be a Brad Childress story.:doh: I'm saying that we shouldn't be pessimistic saying that we are certain to be 2-14 next year, as some people are doing. We don't know how Brad Childrss will do as a coach because he's not a completed story. But his record has improved every year and I see no reason to believe that ours can't too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shilsu Posted January 27, 2009 Share Posted January 27, 2009 I'm saying that we shouldn't be pessimistic saying that we are certain to be 2-14 next year, as some people are doing. We don't know how Brad Childrss will do as a coach because he's not a completed story. But his record has improved every year and I see no reason to believe that ours can't too. So if we make the playoffs and lose in the wildcard round, it will be a success because we matched Brad Childress. :doh: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thinking Skins Posted January 27, 2009 Share Posted January 27, 2009 One thing to note is the Vikings actually know the importance of their offensive and defensive lines. There's something to be said when the Vikings had the #1 rush defense last year, and they realized that their defensive line still needed help so they picked up Jared Allen. Meanwhile, we have posters here who claim our defensive line is fine because they stop the run. They got the league leader in sacks in 2007, we got the active leader in sacks. I say its a toss up. If you call that addressing the line, then why isn't us getting Taylor the same? I was against Taylor and I think that the team needs to learn to improve through the draft. Last year (last two years actualy), it seems they've been doing that more and more. Hopefully they do that this year too. But the lines are not the only weakness, so if we don't go there, I just hope we get some talented players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muzzah Posted January 27, 2009 Share Posted January 27, 2009 "If the Redskins were better than the Rams, Bengals, and 49ers, they could be in the Super Bowl." Why not just say that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thinking Skins Posted January 27, 2009 Share Posted January 27, 2009 So if we make the playoffs and lose in the wildcard round, it will be a success because we matched Brad Childress. :doh: I'm not looking to "match Brad Childress". I'm looking to see progress that we're building a winning organization again. I want to be a perennial playoff team - not just an in and out. Gibbs got us in and out. Hopefully our offense will improve steadily as well as our pass rush. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stophovr6 Posted January 27, 2009 Share Posted January 27, 2009 Would've, could've, should've don't mean ****. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BAFGA Posted January 27, 2009 Share Posted January 27, 2009 Cocaine is a helluva drug. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hail2skins Posted January 27, 2009 Share Posted January 27, 2009 Every team has flaws. Every team progresses and regresses. Look at the patriots. They went 16-0 then 11-5, thats a 5 game regression. To be fair, the Patriots were bound to regress from perfection anyway, and don't you think losing a QB who has taken them to four SB appearances had something to do with it? Even then, the Patriots were able to compile a better record than the Redskins have been able to since 1991! And that's what's maddening about this team.......yes, we have turned it around a few times, improving by four games between 1998 and 1999, between 2004 and 2005, and between 2006 and 2007. But we just can't seem to put it all together for a monster year, and then when we do have a winning season, we haven't been able to sustain it the following year. I still think the pivotal game of the year was the home Dallas one. After losing to Pitt we should've been on fire, and instead laid an egg. Heck, in retrospect, even the home Giants game. I wasn't surprised that we lost to them at the time, but once Plax was out almost every other team they played shut them down and was able to beat them. Of course, not us.......we got our butts kicked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shilsu Posted January 27, 2009 Share Posted January 27, 2009 They got the league leader in sacks in 2007, we got the active leader in sacks. I say its a toss up. If you call that addressing the line, then why isn't us getting Taylor the same? I was against Taylor and I think that the team needs to learn to improve through the draft. Last year (last two years actualy), it seems they've been doing that more and more. Hopefully they do that this year too. But the lines are not the only weakness, so if we don't go there, I just hope we get some talented players. You don't understand what the difference is between Jared Allen and Jason Taylor? :doh: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zCommander Posted January 27, 2009 Share Posted January 27, 2009 There are 29 other teams and fans doing the IF thing as well. And one more will after losing the SB. Learn from your past and grow for the future is my motto. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoVaSkins21 Posted January 27, 2009 Share Posted January 27, 2009 That's as big a reach as I ever seen. One game having that big of impact is too far fetched. They may have won a few of those games, but there's no way they go on that big a run to propel themselves into the SB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thinking Skins Posted January 28, 2009 Share Posted January 28, 2009 You don't understand what the difference is between Jared Allen and Jason Taylor?:doh: There are many differences between the two. But you can't say that adding Taylor wasn't addressing the line. We also addressed the line by picking up James which many around here saw as a good pickup at the time. I'm not calling either player Jared Allen, but if Allen is called 'addressing the line' then why isn't Taylor and James? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shilsu Posted January 28, 2009 Share Posted January 28, 2009 There are many differences between the two. But you can't say that adding Taylor wasn't addressing the line. We also addressed the line by picking up James which many around here saw as a good pickup at the time. I'm not calling either player Jared Allen, but if Allen is called 'addressing the line' then why isn't Taylor and James? I think you should change your name. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thinking Skins Posted January 28, 2009 Share Posted January 28, 2009 I think you should change your name. I'll take that as a compliment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shilsu Posted January 28, 2009 Share Posted January 28, 2009 I'll take that as a compliment. It was actually a suggestion. I mean, between your threads about how our OL does not need help, or posts about how our DL and OL don't need depth, or playing the victim role after being blasted for asking a question that has been discussed and answered numerous times, and now thinking that Jared Allen and Jason Taylor are comparable... It's just not fitting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thinking Skins Posted January 28, 2009 Share Posted January 28, 2009 It was actually a suggestion. I mean, between your threads about how our OL does not need help, or posts about how our DL and OL don't need depth, or playing the victim role after being blasted for asking a question that has been discussed and answered numerous times, and now thinking that Jared Allen and Jason Taylor are comparable... It's just not fitting. Its ok if you don't agree with my thoughts. Thats what discussions are for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SKINchiefer Posted January 28, 2009 Author Share Posted January 28, 2009 Weed heals, all of you thinking of crack can use some. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tryfuhl Posted January 28, 2009 Share Posted January 28, 2009 lol ^^^^^^^^^^ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jito007 Posted January 28, 2009 Share Posted January 28, 2009 I dont know about the Skins being in the Superbowl, I mean if you would've talked to me in week 9 I would've been hell yeah, but after how the second half of the season turned. I'd have to say HELL NO. At least we can always dream Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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