posse87 Posted February 22, 2009 Share Posted February 22, 2009 Hello Posse, I would love to get a PHD opinion on this situation. As I stated in another thread, I see only 3 possible scenarios that would have us taking a guy with bad knees. He was injured after the combine/team physical but before camp. If this was the case, not sure why there would be reports of other teams being wary of his knees pre-draft. Our doctors misdiagnosed him. I have no firsthand knowlege of the team physician, but have often heard the team docs praises here and elsewhere. It seems with a $Billion+ organization, even Danny wouldn't skimp there. The FO disregarded the physicians advice. For whatever reason. I would like to know if you can think of another scenario, and, how do YOU think this happened? I know for a fact because I have read several reports that he had a muscle tear or pull during the bowl game his junior year before being drafted and any injury he had prior to training camp had nothing to do with his knees. Please someone show any sort of link stating that our team disregardedmedical advice. It does not exist and I am 100% certain that we wouldn't disregard what James Andrews said. The only substantiated mention af any knee injury with Malcolm Kelly was during his sophmore season when he had a real knee injury that kept him out. There again there was never any mention of a degenerative condition. I think the more likely scenario is that other FO's were concerned that he may be injury prone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
posse87 Posted February 22, 2009 Share Posted February 22, 2009 so your basing your opionion off conjecture? Bright. This was in response to the smart ass reply by "higheverybody." Please show me one credible scorce/link. Even in college they had injury reports. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiefPowhatan17 Posted February 22, 2009 Share Posted February 22, 2009 Hopefully they are fixed, since he was out almost all of last year. But, I have heard that his bad knees go all the way back to his Jr. High School years. He's had bad knees forever. I wonder if they missed the pick and should've gotten Limas Sweed last year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BRAVEONAWARPATH Posted February 22, 2009 Share Posted February 22, 2009 http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/12/22/AR2008122202172_2.html Kelly missed the preseason in large part because of knee problems the Redskins were aware of when they drafted him http://voices.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/2009/01/2008_positional_review_-_wide.html#more Rookie Malcolm Kelly was supposed to be the bigger, strong slot guy to complement Randle El, move the chains and show up big in the red zone. He is a very good kid who is well-liked and worked hard, learning from his early mistake of being out of shape. He had a good start to camp and flashed well, but his knees will likely always be a problem. Many teams passed on him for that reason and the Redskins' medical team red flagged him as well.But Daniel Snyder and Vinny Cerrato made many trips to personally watch him work out and were convinced he could play. Now they have to find a way to allow him to have a long career and stay on the field. Kelly was inactive much of the year and fell far behind after undergoing knee surgery. His knee had to be drained repeatedly during the season and he began working with a specialist in Toronto in midseason, which produced some decent results. In all likelihood, though, this will always be a week-to-week, month-to-month situation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheeks Posted February 22, 2009 Share Posted February 22, 2009 any time the ppl dont like a guy on here or he didnt play as well as they want him too all of a sudden he has bad knees.....im not worried about this Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BRAVEONAWARPATH Posted February 22, 2009 Share Posted February 22, 2009 any time the ppl dont like a guy on here or he didnt play as well as they want him too all of a sudden he has bad knees.....im not worried about this It was reported that Kelly had bad knees before the draft. :2cents: Google it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheeks Posted February 22, 2009 Share Posted February 22, 2009 i kno but there was nothin on here about his knees before the season (relatively nothin) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abdcskins Posted February 22, 2009 Share Posted February 22, 2009 Even my little brother, who is 14, knew Malcolm Kelly had bad knees before the draft. Everybody knew it. Yet we still drafted him. I bet $100 he misses at least 4 games this year because of those creaky knees. Bad pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kramdizzle Posted February 22, 2009 Share Posted February 22, 2009 How bad are MK's knees? as bad as Carlos' hands.... the best answer yet:notworthy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turbodiesel#44 Posted February 22, 2009 Share Posted February 22, 2009 The only substantiated mention af any knee injury with Malcolm Kelly was during his sophmore season when he had a real knee injury that kept him out. There again there was never any mention of a degenerative condition. I think the more likely scenario is that other FO's were concerned that he may be injury prone.He shows up to camp needing his knee drained every week or so. I don't know about degenerative, but it doesn't sound like a muscle tear to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jnhay Posted February 22, 2009 Share Posted February 22, 2009 Even my little brother, who is 14, knew Malcolm Kelly had bad knees before the draft. Everybody knew it. Yet we still drafted him. I bet $100 he misses at least 4 games this year because of those creaky knees. Bad pick. You have no firsthand information, so I'd side with the Redskins knowing more than you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BRAVEONAWARPATH Posted February 22, 2009 Share Posted February 22, 2009 You have no firsthand information, so I'd side with the Redskins knowing more than you. Apparently, the Skins knew that his knees were shot and decided to take a chance on him anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thinking Skins Posted February 22, 2009 Author Share Posted February 22, 2009 I know for a fact because I have read several reports that he had a muscle tear or pull during the bowl game his junior year before being drafted and any injury he had prior to training camp had nothing to do with his knees. Please someone show any sort of link stating that our team disregardedmedical advice. It does not exist and I am 100% certain that we wouldn't disregard what James Andrews said. The only substantiated mention af any knee injury with Malcolm Kelly was during his sophmore season when he had a real knee injury that kept him out. There again there was never any mention of a degenerative condition. I think the more likely scenario is that other FO's were concerned that he may be injury prone. This may be a possibility because even last year Zorn kept talking about how Kelly needs to learn to tough it out. And it seems odd to me that Zorn would waste a roster spot on a WR who he knew wouldn't be able to play. If the problem is that he can't stay healthy or can't deal with nagging injuries, then I'd hope that he can mature and learn to handle those (or not get injured as much). I'm still praying that he turns into a Jimmy Smith. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turbodiesel#44 Posted February 22, 2009 Share Posted February 22, 2009 This may be a possibility because even last year Zorn kept talking about how Kelly needs to learn to tough it out. And it seems odd to me that Zorn would waste a roster spot on a WR who he knew wouldn't be able to play. If the problem is that he can't stay healthy or can't deal with nagging injuries, then I'd hope that he can mature and learn to handle those (or not get injured as much). I'm still praying that he turns into a Jimmy Smith. I never heard of draining a muscle tear. Am I missing something? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thinking Skins Posted February 22, 2009 Author Share Posted February 22, 2009 Apparently, the Skins knew that his knees were shot and decided to take a chance on him anyway. But this goes against a "well respected" doctor in the field (I put well respected in quotes because I don't actually know what others think of him, but due to the long list of names who reference him, I'd think he's well respected. The doctor said Kelly's knees are fine, are we supposed to believe that the doctor was lying? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thinking Skins Posted February 22, 2009 Author Share Posted February 22, 2009 I never heard of draining a muscle tear. Am I missing something? I mean ARE didn't have a muscle tear or any injuries, but he had drains on his knee. Same for Samuels. Unless you're saying that they also have degenerative knee condition, you can't use the fact that his knee was drained as an implication that Kelly has degenerative knee condition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turbodiesel#44 Posted February 22, 2009 Share Posted February 22, 2009 I mean ARE didn't have a muscle tear or any injuries, but he had drains on his knee. Same for Samuels. Unless you're saying that they also have degenerative knee condition, you can't use the fact that his knee was drained as an implication that Kelly has degenerative knee condition. Malcolm Kelly says no postseason surgery is planned for his troublesome knee. The injury washed out Kelly's rookie season and he had it drained several times during the year, but the Redskins hope it heals with rest. He caught only three passes in five appearances in 2008. In hindsight, the second round pick probably should have spent the season on injured reserve. Source: Washington Post I don't know if it's degenerative or not, but it sounds to me like the kid has a bad knee. The same bad knee he had when we drafted him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thinking Skins Posted February 22, 2009 Author Share Posted February 22, 2009 Malcolm Kelly says no postseason surgery is planned for his troublesome knee. The injury washed out Kelly's rookie season and he had it drained several times during the year, but the Redskins hope it heals with rest. He caught only three passes in five appearances in 2008. In hindsight, the second round pick probably should have spent the season on injured reserve. Source: Washington PostI don't know if it's degenerative or not, but it sounds to me like the kid has a bad knee. The same bad knee he had when we drafted him. I'm not doubting that he has a bad knee. My original question is how bad is it though? I'm hanging on to the hopes that the kid has just had a string of bad luck and can develop to his full potential ala Jimmy Smith who was injured for his first 2 or 3 years in the league before putting up almost hall of fame numbers with Jacksonville. Its no doubt that Kelly has skills (well, if we are to believe what we hear about practices and his draft scouting profile), but the question is will he ever be healthy enough to contribute during the regular season. I have my doubts, but I hope he can contribute. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turbodiesel#44 Posted February 22, 2009 Share Posted February 22, 2009 I'm not doubting that he has a bad knee. My original question is how bad is it though? I can tell you this for sure. He missed camp. He missed 11 games. He caught 3 balls. After saying he didn't need ANOTHER surgery, he had to get another surgery. He had an attitude problem at the combine. Other teams shied away from the guy because of his knee. That was widely reported even before the draft. Vinny is an imbecile. They don't usually put cartilage into knees. They only take it out, remove the loose bits and trim off the jagged bits. When it's all gone, you are a cripple. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
morpheusmeyers Posted February 22, 2009 Share Posted February 22, 2009 I can tell you this for sure. He missed camp. He missed 11 games. He caught 3 balls. After saying he didn't need ANOTHER surgery, he had to get another surgery. He had an attitude problem at the combine. Other teams shied away from the guy because of his knee. That was widely reported even before the draft. Vinny is an imbecile. They don't usually put cartilage into knees. They only take it out, remove the loose bits and trim off the jagged bits. When it's all gone, you are a cripple. Kelly was dominant in college. If he had a degenerative knee condition it certainly did not effect his play or cause him to miss significant playing time. He had 10 TD's in 06' and 9 in 07', while playing in 10+ games both seasons. I saw Kelly practice in training camp, and he looked as sharp as anyone, including Moss. He may have missed the preseason games, but he did not miss all of training camp. Kelly is supposedly already practicing at Redskins Park. His 1st season may have been a washout, but I wouldn't write him off just yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BRAVEONAWARPATH Posted February 22, 2009 Share Posted February 22, 2009 But this goes against a "well respected" doctor in the field (I put well respected in quotes because I don't actually know what others think of him, but due to the long list of names who reference him, I'd think he's well respected. The doctor said Kelly's knees are fine, are we supposed to believe that the doctor was lying? I'm just repeating what was reported in the Post. :whoknows: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turbodiesel#44 Posted February 22, 2009 Share Posted February 22, 2009 Kelly was dominant in college. If he had a degenerative knee condition it certainly did not effect his play or cause him to miss significant playing time. He had 10 TD's in 06' and 9 in 07', while playing in 10+ games both seasons.I saw Kelly practice in training camp, and he looked as sharp as anyone, including Moss. He may have missed the preseason games, but he did not miss all of training camp. Kelly is supposedly already practicing at Redskins Park. His 1st season may have been a washout, but I wouldn't write him off just yet. I'm not writing off Kelly, although I have greatly tempered expectations. I'm writing off the bozo who took him in the second when we likely could have had him in the fourth. The entire league was scared of Kellys knees, and rightfully so. He has already missed 1/3 of the average NFL career. I suppose I shouldn't expect more from an idiot that drafts punters while both our lines have been neglected for so many years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
downbeat87 Posted February 22, 2009 Share Posted February 22, 2009 i dont think he would have made it to the 4th and you shouldnt either Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turbodiesel#44 Posted February 22, 2009 Share Posted February 22, 2009 i dont think he would have made it to the 4thand you shouldnt either The guys on his what, 3rd or 4th surgery? His knees were in this shape for the draft. He didn't get injured in camp or in a game. What we got was a guy who was worth 18 yards and 3 passes completed all year. For a second rounder. Defend that however you want, but you'll end up looking as moronic as Vinny. "NFL Network's Mike Mayock reports that both of Oklahoma WR Malcolm Kelly's knees "are of such concern" that he may be removed from some teams' draft boards in April. Kelly got hurt in both the Sooners' bowl games the past two years. He hasn't participated in any pre-draft events. Kelly plans to run privately on April 9. http://theredzone.talk-forums.com/nfl-draft-f3/malcolm-kelly-knee-problems-t277.htm There are DOZENS of reports like this. Try google. Kelly wasn't slipping, HE WAS BEING REMOVED FROM DRAFT BOARDS. I wouldn't ignore this, and you shouldn't either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
morpheusmeyers Posted February 22, 2009 Share Posted February 22, 2009 I'm not writing off Kelly, although I have greatly tempered expectations. I'm writing off the bozo who took him in the second when we likely could have had him in the fourth. The entire league was scared of Kellys knees, and rightfully so. He has already missed 1/3 of the average NFL career. I suppose I shouldn't expect more from an idiot that drafts punters while both our lines have been neglected for so many years. Can fully understand tempered expectations since he missed most of his rookie season with a nagging injury. He appears to be healed up now, though. He won't require offseason surgery, and is already practicing at Redskins Park in preparation for the upcoming season. The talent is there and evidently the work ethic is, too. We'll have to see about the knee, but I'm optimistic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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