McCain linked to group in Iran-Contra affair and terrorism.

[JimboDaMan]

At best, it appears McCain was involved with them for maybe 2 years and quit as negative things about them and contras came out:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081007/ap_on_el_pr/mccain_iran_contra_10;_ylt=AglL3bcGl2J3OQ2quWLSn_Zh24cA

He was elected in 1982, has a letter stepping down in 84, and another in 1986 asking to be removed from their letter head.

Could this be less of a story?

It could be no story at all, but McCain insists on playing the dumbass hypocrite and bringing up what should be non-stories about Obama.

[commyderm2]

Actually, looked to me like Peter had a pretty factual, on-topic defense.

I never questioned his defense on this topic.. I asked him a question about his boy who he supported throughout the primaries.. looks to me like he was the wrong choice considering how he is having trouble competing in the GE..

[PeterMP]

PeterMP wow, your back defending your boy "Floundering Campaign" McCain.. after seeing that JM is 8-12 points down in every national poll and is losing embarrasingly in ever battleground state.. are you now ready to admit that McCain was definitely the wrong choice in the primaries? or are you as delusional as he is..

I'll readily admit the campaign is floundering. I've said since the Palin announcement that it was a mistake and would likely cost him.

As far as in the primaries, I still don't see where there was a better choice (well MAYBE Romney), and I doubt any of them will make it far in terms of being President in 4 years.

I'm not defending the campaign or anything else, just stating the facts with my opinion.

anyway, onto the subject.. I do find it disturbing how much we hear about Bill Ayers, the guy was a vietnam war protestor turned decorated college professor and progressive education advocate.. He set off some smoke bombs next to memorials in the sixties.. who gives a rats ass.. I heard him on NPR a long time ago, before Obama was in the senate, talking about his disappointment in the direction of the progressive education movement, stating that they were "heading toward socialism." Doesn't come off as a terrorist or left wing extremeist to me.. Also, Dems and repubs have ties to international terrorist orgs.. Isreal uses state sponsored terrorism all the time, and all you hear is members of our government from both parties gushing over them..

You need to read more about Ayers. He wasn't setting off "smoke bombs".

[PeterMP]

I never questioned his defense on this topic.. I asked him a question about his boy who he supported throughout the primaries.. looks to me like he was the wrong choice considering how he is having trouble competing in the GE..

This was essentially an impossible task for any Republican. There is no other Republican that could have kept this close as long as he as.

With that said, they've made mistakes that will cost him.

[commyderm2]

I'll readily admit the campaign is floundering. I've said since the Palin announcement that it was a mistake and would likely cost him.

As far as in the primaries, I still don't see where there was a better choice (well MAYBE Romney), and I doubt any of them will make it far in terms of being President in 4 years.

I'm not defending the campaign or anything else, just stating the facts with my opinion.

You need to read more about Ayers. He wasn't setting off "smoke bombs".

So this dreaded domestic terrorist who literally blew up the pentagon, killing thousands of innocent bistanders just so happened to be a college professor (sarcasm) at the same college that Obama taught at so there is more of a connection there than there is to McCain to the Contra scandal? right.. I swear on my life you couldn't make this stuff up.. I've read a ton about Ayers, remembering what I heard on NPR a while back and all of the sudden him being in the spotlight.. the difference is that the stuff I read wasn't fabricated and sensationalized by discredited racist, 911 truthers with an obvious agenda.. The guy is a damn college professor for Christ's sake.. If I just so happened to sit for one of his seminars, would I be a terrorist too?

[commyderm2]

This was essentially an impossible task for any Republican. There is no other Republican that could have kept this close as long as he as.

With that said, they've made mistakes that will cost him.

You may be right about that.. but it is purely speculation.. The fact of the matter is that when this race went from Obama vs. Obama to McCain vs. Obama, the tide turned.. the fact of the matter is, is that people hated Obama because he was dehumanized and even to a point demonized by right-wing nut cases.. as people are exposed to him more and more they are beginning to warm to him.. I always knew that McCain did not have the intellectual standing or charisma to measure to Obama..

[PeterMP]

So this dreaded domestic terrorist who literally blew up the pentagon, killing thousands of innocent bistanders just so happened to be a college professor (sarcasm) at the same college that Obama taught at so there is more of a connection there than there is to McCain to the Contra scandal? right.. I swear on my life you couldn't make this stuff up.. I've read a ton about Ayers, remembering what I heard on NPR a while back and all of the sudden him being in the spotlight.. the difference is that the stuff I read wasn't fabricated and sensationalized by discredited racist, 911 truthers with an obvious agenda.. The guy is a damn college professor for Christ's sake.. If I just so happened to sit for one of his seminars, would I be a terrorist too?

Well, the connection to Obama is less clear, but that's not what you said. You said Ayers was setting off smoke bombs, which is inaccurate. My comments didn't say anything about the Obama connection.

With respect to Obama, the connection is a little more concrete then teaching at the same college or even sitting in on a seminar.

At least to my knowledge, nobody denies that Obama's orginal run for office started with a meet-and-greet in Ayers' apartment.

What does that say about Obama? I don't honestly know.

[PeterMP]

You may be right about that.. but it is purely speculation.. The fact of the matter is that when this race went from Obama vs. Obama to McCain vs. Obama, the tide turned.. the fact of the matter is, is that people hated Obama because he was dehumanized and even to a point demonized by right-wing nut cases.. as people are exposed to him more and more they are beginning to warm to him.. I always knew that McCain did not have the intellectual standing or charisma to measure to Obama..

It isn't so much speculation, but based on facts:

1. None of the others could beat McCain. If they didn't have the "intellectual standing or charisma" to beat McCain, how could they beat Obama?

2. None of them were polling close to Obama or Hillary. If McCain benefited from any demonizing so were the others. McCain was close to or leading both Hillary and Obama at different times.

3. I've always said Obama might be a good President. With Obama, you might get Clinton or Carter. Nobody can tell you which. With McCain, I think you are less likely to get a great President from McCain, but more likely to get a competent President, which I'd take at this point in time.

[BRAVEONAWARPATH]

Well, the connection to Obama is less clear, but that's not what you said. You said Ayers was setting off smoke bombs, which is inaccurate. My comments didn't say anything about the Obama connection.

With respect to Obama, the connection is a little more concrete then teaching at the same college or even sitting in on a seminar.

At least to my knowledge, nobody denies that Obama's orginal run for office started with a meet-and-greet in Ayers' apartment.

The meet-and-greet you are referring to wasn't for Obama specifically.

[PeterMP]

The meet-and-greet you are referring to wasn't for Obama specifically.

All right. I've never seen anything that stated it wasn't specifically for Obama, but it still points to a more concrete connection than teaching at the same college.

[Jumbo]

Well due to some limits on starting thread I am limited and have to post things where I can

You don't like it the mods could always make it so i do not have to post mutiple topics in one thread

Truly, the Lemming is strong within you. :doh:

Now, we've publically referred to your epic history of in-thread flailing in two ES fourms about NNT matters a few times in the past.

Some of that history having been preserved within this epic thread....

http://www.extremeskins.com/showthread.php?t=205285

...which, ironically enough, is the same thread you have been directed to a number of times, since the opening post in it has all the answers you are so often "seeking"

Some of your other antics on the same topic included these gems:

http://www.extremeskins.com/forums/s...4&postcount=40

http://www.extremeskins.com/forums/s...&postcount=235

http://www.extremeskins.com/forums/s...&postcount=183

Now, regarding your current and related flummoxing, lets begin by featuring this post, which serves as the beginning of a few pages of fresher catches of Canadian flounder caught feeding off the NNT piers again:

http://extremeskins.com/showpost.php?p=5615985&postcount=114

I won't link all the posts (entertaining and even educational as they are) but people so motivated can follow the trail until we get to this post, where Art provides you with a clear summary on the matter:

http://extremeskins.com/showpost.php?p=5618608&postcount=151

Not only did you ignore Art's instructions to not comment on your NNT status again in that thread, you even added yet another whine with the "sorry for contributing" remark. And now you're commentign on your NNT issues again, and not in the manner Art directed.

Now, in Art's response here...

http://extremeskins.com/showpost.php?p=5618672&postcount=152

...it appears he may have intended to give you some time off but then chose not to since you were able to continue posting after you rejected his instructions, or maybe he forgot, or instead just decided to ignore you and move on. I actually haven't asked him. And, of course, any decision he or any other mod would make there would be fine. But there is no doubt you ignored his instructions.

At another point you laid an enormous idiot-egg related to the fact that I was actually away from my mod board on personal business (without notifying you) and you took that as a sign of lacking "honorableness" and "manhood" (as you stated in one of your posted flailings) because you didn't get a response within two days to a PM that you sent me.

Perhaps your entire world went spinning into the ****can because you saw you wouldn't be able to feed these apparently desparate thread-starting needs, being put on NNT again. Maybe you figured just getting a hold of me would magically change all of that, since once again you obviously had no idea of how to proceed regarding NNTs :doh:.

In this thread we are in now (and I'm only going to use this thread) it is clear you posted new links on other topics because you can't post them as you would by starting a new thread. Of course, you could have bumped the already existing threads relevant to those topics, but instead you remained true to one of your historical behaviors. You did it your way with disregard of the rules that everyone else are expected to follow.

Just like how in the past you appear to have never simply wanted to do the work to get yourself off of NNT like everyone else is expected to do. aBack then, I (and I wasn't even the guy who gave you that NNT) eventually just let you off--remember? It was back when you changed that whiny "I'm being oppressed by the mods" sig you used to rock.

So here you now, also openly admitting that you are essentially circumventing your NNT status by dumping your loads (links) in whatever thread you're posting in--well, now you will have some added restrictions beyond your NNT status. :cool:

See you in a few weeks. I imagine given how much time you spend here fussing over our politics, you may have an opportunity to rediscover your own homeland's fascinating political and social environment.

Maybe you can more successully follow Art's other suggestion to enjoy contributing to other people's threads somewhere else.

Now this may seem like it was a lot of trouble to go to, especaiily for a relatively new member who has often been a "problem child" since day one.

Well, it did take 25 minutes, but it was worth it.

[BRAVEONAWARPATH]

All right. I've never seen anything that stated it wasn't specifically for Obama, but it still points to a more concrete connection than teaching at the same college.

Well, they served on a few boards together dealing with educational issues.

But from everything I gather (unless you get your info from far-right blogs) they were far from best friends.

And if Obama is guilty of consorting with a "terrorist" then a hell of a lot of other prominent Chicagoans are guilty as well.

Prominent people such as the mayor of chicago, Richard Daley. Not to mention quite a few Republican politicians as well.

[PeterMP]

Well, they served on a few boards together dealing with educational issues.

But from everything I gather (unless you get your info from far-right blogs) they were far from best friends.

And if Obama is guilty of consorting with a "terrorist" then a hell of a lot of other prominent Chicagoans are guilty as well.

Prominent people such as the mayor of chicago, Richard Daley. Not to mention quite a few Republican politicians as well.

I never said they were best friends (I never said they were friends). Just that limiting their connection to them teaching at the same college was incorrect.

I'll worry about what Daley does/has done, when I'm voting for mayor of Chicago (or any other IL politician).

[BRAVEONAWARPATH]

I never said they were best friends (I never said they were friends). Just that limiting their connection to them teaching at the same college was incorrect.

I'll worry about what Daley does/has done, when I'm voting for mayor of Chicago (or any other IL politician).

Fair enough.

[81artmonk]

I'm not saying you are wrong - but do you have a link or anything?

Check the daily kos, meet the press and the AP.

[Larry]

I'm not saying you are wrong - but do you have a link or anything?

Check the daily kos, meet the press and the AP.

Does that mean "No"?

[Jumbo]

Does that mean "No"?

That depends on what you mean by "mean."

[Baculus]

At best, it appears McCain was involved with them for maybe 2 years and quit as negative things about them and contras came out:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081007/ap_on_el_pr/mccain_iran_contra_10;_ylt=AglL3bcGl2J3OQ2quWLSn_Zh24cA

He was elected in 1982, has a letter stepping down in 84, and another in 1986 asking to be removed from their letter head.

Could this be less of a story?

This is as much of a story as anything that's been connected with other candidates.

Also, the organization themselves said that they have no evidence that McCain officially removed himself from the organization.

And, again, I brought this up also due to the fact that McCain was receiving money from a man that supported a known terrorist organization.

Basically, my point is this: The Right, and the US government (since it continued under Clinton) has had a tendency to support authoritarians, even when they are connected to death squads and terrorizing the populace. This was the problem with Iran-Contra, and is STILL a tendency to this day.

This needs to stop, but I do not think it will under McCain if we support authoritarians in the name of the War on Terror.